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"why doesn't [frubaklop] draw porn?"

Because "porn," as somebody who sees my pictures and then asks this question defines it, is not something that I have any use or appreciation for.  A few functions in my brain do not work properly.  Obviously.  Whoopth.  I am as likely to address that subject matter as anything else I have no interest in, such as acoustic guitar music, sweet potatoes or earwax.  Feel free to edit my pictures to suit your needs, if you have not started already.  I think that is funny.

To sum up and clarify: I don't do it because I don't like it and don't want to like it, and my dislike is intense enough that to force myself to do it would be painful, so I will not.
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Added: 10 years, 4 months ago
 
b4818529c406
10 years, 4 months ago
You're weird :)

I should re-read your comic from the beginning. I have absolutely no idea what's going on in it anymore X3
Syrinoth
10 years, 4 months ago
Your stuff always came across more as erotic to me. A good majority of your pictures have the characters pantsless in spread-eagle  poses with the composition directing the eye towards the crotch, as though to show off that you didn't complete the anatomy. I just thought it was artsy censorship :P
frubaklop
10 years, 4 months ago
It is not censorship, though, since I do not desire to see more than that, but otherwise you are correct that the point is to show an absence.  I think if I wanted to see fully equipped creatures, I could just look for pictures of them that other people had made and save a great amount of trouble!  Most of my time goes to longer-term things that I do not post in these galleries.  I tend to produce this peculiar genre of imagery that you mentioned on an impulse.  I kept them hidden for years, and so it may seem like I suddenly created a disproportionate amount of that all at once.  I thought posting them online would justify some of the effort, but that created a need for additional effort to make them presentable.  It is a very strange issue!  I hope to cut back on it next year.
But even before I showed these, occasionally the pornographic question came about.
Syrinoth
10 years, 4 months ago
Ah true, I suppose censorship implies something was taken away rather than omitted.
Either way, I personally like that aspect of your work. I feel erotica and subtlety has become rare in most furry art made these days.
Well, I appreciate that you decided to share it :)
Ausup
10 years, 4 months ago
I think we have the same 'brain flaw', albeit I do sometimes draw such things to appease the masses x3
frubaklop
10 years, 4 months ago
It may be similar, but I don't even know enough to fake being normal.  There are so many things that I can't draw, I don't want to waste effort learning them for pictures that I will want to hide or that will give a false impression of my level of normalcy.  I want everybody to know that I am a weirdo.  The sooner they accept that, the sooner I can accept it.
Ausup
10 years, 4 months ago
That's true. And mind you, the times I do draw such things out of my own volition.. I'm driven by.. different feelings than most people who draw that. For me it's more of a generic devious feeling, rather than a sexually devious feeling. And plus I enjoy knowing I'm making some people happy by exploring that spectrum here and there, as well as working outside my own comfort zone.

And faking being normal is easy - just watch enough television and buy enough advertised products o.o
frubaklop
10 years, 4 months ago
I suppose then it is a bit different than topics of discomfort/disinterest, that I could draw if somebody really wanted me to, like these boring furry-themed commissions I have done now and then (hopefully then).  Sex material puts me beyond discomfort.  I could not draw it voluntarily.  There is no way it would work.  I could not want to.  It would be like biting into a tube of neosporin and chewing it and swallowing it.  Illogical abuse.  It would be even harder than drinking liquor; I could hold my nose for that.  I can draw a nude model, because it is real and in front of me, but an explicit interaction that I had to imagine that involved one of my more cartoonish sorts of creatures would be most upsetting.  I will shovel snow or pay for dinner or give out halloween candy to make somebody happy.  Drawing "porn" isn't in the same realm of experience.

I stay on this topic in the interest of communication.  The fact that you, and perhaps many people can draw sex without liking sex, but without being wholly disgusted by the experience makes clear that I have some manner of social or artistic disability.  And that is "fine" and I know that, but at some point it starts to wear on me that nobody really understands unless I go on and on like a maniac on the topic.
People might think: why doesn't [frubaklop] draw conventional sexual porn?  EVERYBODY who hates porn draws it anyway!  That's a fact of life that everybody will give into arbitrary expectations of the culture around them eventually.  And I need to say NO, it is different.  Expecting that at some point I will do this thing is like expecting Santa Claus to come down your chimney.  You're never actually going to see it happen because it actually doesn't happen and you only imagined that it might.
Ausup
10 years, 4 months ago
Oh don't get me wrong - I don't want it to happen. Even if I do it sometimes myself I'm mostly a clean artist, and I hold clean art up in the utmost regard, so if anything your personal choice of not ever drawing it makes me a very happy artist.

I am disgusted by most of it, yeah, but I'm okay with some pictures. To me it kinda gets down to a simple question - what was more important when they drew the picture, the art or the porn itself? There's a lot of sexual art out there that I very much enjoy (kinda trained myself to ignore the porn bits over the years) because they're beautifully crafted pictures that took more than 5 minutes, a napkin and a set of genitals to come to life.

I don't think choosing not to draw sexual content means you have some artistic disability. It might put a huge black mark on your social life (I would know, the fact that sex is as exciting to me as mowing the lawn didn't really fare well with my past partners o.o) but it doesn't mean you're flawed, just different. If I had a dime for every time someone replied to my "I just don't like having sex" with "You have to see a doctor about that" I would.. well... be able to afford a Big Mac, dimes aren't worth much after all.

But I digress. My point is I think society in general needs more people like us. Everything has become sex, including furry art, though I'm almost sure that's how it started in the first place. Society's just plummeting towards that boring spectrum where we don't strive for things anymore unless they are genitals. So in fact, I salute you for not being part of this massive, degenerate delusion! Think about it - while we're having unique ideas, discussing science, solving problems, in the meantime 90% of the world is staring at an internet bootleg version of Eyes Wide Shut. In a sense, it's almost like we have more time to achieve, think and create than regular people do :3
GreenReaper
10 years, 4 months ago
Furry art was initially distinguished from "funny animal" art by its coverage of mature topics, including but not limited to sex. Violence, class/species struggle, the quest for new and interesting forms of anatomy, etc. were and are also important. There are places cartoons do not go, but we do.
frubaklop
10 years, 4 months ago
That was excessive of me!  I should not type and post comments right before I go to my bed-like-thing.
Ausup
10 years, 4 months ago
Ye call that excessive~? This~ is excessive~ x3
Atlasfield
10 years, 4 months ago
I leaved of draw porn long ago because the people say "nice... make more".

:/

Mmm... I prefer the artistic apretiation than the vicious cyrcle of... emmm... well... whatever. x3 But I´m agree with you, my system is not working corretly since... a time ago, but since I leave it, I feel good.

:3
frubaklop
10 years, 4 months ago
Did it upset you to draw that?  Why did you start?
Atlasfield
10 years, 4 months ago
I started just only for curiousity, for learn do make some anatomy position and "special effects", and I learned, but then I ended vicious (was for a short time but was... creepy crappy fail), only I was thinking in it, then I understood only I was drawing pron and no other things, I suspended many proyects by this, I was 100% distracted... Then I controled myself, I can draw that kind of stuff but I don´t like it anymore and I don´t want it, plus when people ask me comissions about it, I say no, I have enough with it, pron is too dangerous, seriously. XD

Now I prefer play with the black humor, suggestive poses or stupid things, or make hard designs, like a personal challenge. Porn is like a drug, only you talk about it, only you think about it, you see a picture but only 2 seconds and not pay attention in the details of how the artist made it, only you want more and more, you cannot stop... is not life, definitly, I realized my mistake in my own art, when the people comment.

Clean and mature works now and forever and ever, adult-porn-rape-gore-fluids-racism-antireligion-evil stuff not go with me, is not my way, is not my style, and today I feel good.

Please, keep drawing clean pictures, personally I enjoy clean works because I can share with friends this kind of stuff with the security of I cannot offend somebody. :3
MystBunny
10 years, 4 months ago
I likes the textures and detail, floofy chests, adorables.
SpikedKanine
10 years, 4 months ago
"Feel free to edit my pictures to suit your needs, if you have not started already.  I think that is funny."

I still find it hilarious that people actually do this, especially with artists who are PG rated.

But either-way-- I really hope you didn't make this journal because people kept asking you that question. It's kind of sad when artists feel the need to have to publically say "It's not my cup of tea.".
frubaklop
10 years, 4 months ago
Fortunately they do not ask me if or why not except in uncommon cases, but they may ask about the topic rhetorically when I am not around. Some artists will flip out if the topic comes up.  I did not think I was one of them, but these days I appear to flip out over all topics.  However I always imagined the question was there; as I acknowledged with Ausup earlier, everybody expects that everybody else on these websites will start doing it at some point, regardless of whether they personally enjoy it, so I was glad to know I had not misjudged the situation when I finally found it.
I would have explained my situation from the beginning but I thought it might seem presumptuous if I gave an explanation that nobody wanted.
miw
miw
10 years, 4 months ago
isn't that facepalm-worthly that we're at a point that those who don't want/enjoy to draw pornography of their characters (or others ) are considered the weird ones ?
although i second Syrinoth: you can do poses good, and mixed with a good anatomy/dynamism, it makes your characters sexy as they are without the need to add anything else.
Shokuji
10 years, 4 months ago
To each their own. Just keep making what makes you happy. =)
Rooth
10 years, 3 months ago
*fistbump*  Represent!
AlyssaKamber
10 years ago
Draw what you enjoy drawing. Don't draw what you don't enjoy drawing. And if anybody wants porn, there are countless other artists who draw porn.

Frubaklob, there is no true "normal," so again, be who you are. You seem, at least from my standpoint knowing very little about you, to do at least a passable job of just being whoever and whatever you happen to be and not trying to be what some other person seems to want. Just keep doing what you're doing. I enjoy the things you post here, and though I won't ask what your bigger every-day projects are, I can only assume that they're wonderful.
Kolossal
7 years, 11 months ago
So long as you draw feet, that's porn enough for me.

Now what if some one offered you money, lots of money
frubaklop
7 years, 11 months ago
That would be foolish since I do not have the skill for it!  Unless it was a dedicated attempt to show that I have no artistic integrity at a certain price point.  But I do not necessarily romanticize things like that.  If it was money that I needed, that I could change my garbage life with, and those of the people around me, sure, I'd learn to draw some horrorble things, probably.  
What I hate is the implication that obviously I like normal porn, since obviously everybody does, which comes from a very shortsighted person who presumably has encountered little discomfort or dissent in life.  The implication that I probably DO draw it, and merely don't show it, just to be a jerk or prove some point, which is not the case.  I have posted plenty of things that I personally view as depraved, which others do not see in such a way.

UNLESS you mean feet.  I don't have to think about that as hard.

Also I posted that journal message over two years ago!
Kolossal
7 years, 11 months ago
Oh i don't care about whether you draw porn or not, it's inconsequential to me. Good though that you have a level of restraint.

Do you feel like people think that of you though? That you're "depraved" but only in secret?

Haha, feet? I always mean feet, if we're talking feet. : P

And really. I mean realistically, what if you were offered a stupid amount of money, would you break from your center? We don't have to say how much, i guess the question is.. Can your integrity be bought, in regards to pornography?

Two years? Oh, well i never read the journal date. Anything with a comment field is fifth dimensional to me.

frubaklop
7 years, 11 months ago
I was saying that yes, I think my integrity could be purchased!  I just do not know why somebody WOULD try to purchase it.  I do not understand why somebody with the financial means to seriously help me would choose me to help, but only if I met that specific criteria, when there are thousands of internet artists who actually know how to do it already.  It would be absurd.

Although to some degree any time I do anything for money that does not further my personal goals, I am selling integrity.  But after 15+ years of obscurity despite constant efforts to get noticed, it can feel nice to have something to sell.

The time elapsed means that this is not necessarily a pressing enough worry NOW that I would post a journal about it, and things I said to other people may not apply at the moment.  However, not wishing to read them, I presume that they mostly still do.
slightlyshade
7 years, 4 months ago
Who needs porn when there's good chest fluff?
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