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A Small Rant About Sonic Unleashed Story!

I apologize in advance for the little rant but it's something I have to get off my chest that's been bugging me for a few years now...

I been hearing a lot that people liked the story of Sonic Unleashed (tries hard not to laugh) but like really, what was good about it? Forget about the gameplay, I'm talking about the story itself, I'm serious what's good about it? Explain to me please.

When I think of Sonic Unleashed (Sonic World Adventure) cutscenes I think of three things:

A- A cutcene of two random characters whom nobody knows/knew/cares about (Chip and the Werehog) expressing how gay they are.

B- Some random one time useless shitty character (Professor Pickles), or two random unknown town people talking about some random event that supposedly happened in the past which nobody cares about.

C- Silly AOSTH Robotnik making a total fool out of himself in front of that stupid assist-robo thingie.

Remember that scene in Sonic Adventure where Tikal explained to Sonic and Knuckles what happened in the past? No wait, you don't, because that never happened, no, instead they actually SHOWED you how the event happened, yes a flashback, THAT'S how you tell a story, I mean come on who wants to watch an event of two random people talking about an event rather than show the event in a flashback or something? You might as well skip the cutscene and go to the next level... Oh wait, you can't, because you can't skip cutscenes in this stupid game, and even if you could it's pointless because you can't get to the next level since you don't have enough medals so you have to go back, play some of the older levels searching for useless medals, and if you were lucky you'll find 2 Sun medals after 4-5 hours worth of gameplay when you actually needed Moon medals...

So yeah, Dr Eggman now is becoming AOSTH Robotnik, goofy and idiotic American stereotype villain who's impossible to be taken seriously, Sonic now is becoming his Sonic Underground version, pathetic and always acts stupid without thinking or ever succeeding, Tails is becoming SatAM Tails, hardly ever shows up to just give you support and never ever appear again, Amy is becoming her Sonic X self, all she does is express to Sonic how much of a sick stalker she turned to be, that is if she ever appears, and don't get me started about Shadow the Emo-hog and Knuckles the 'I forgot I ever had an emerald to guard' Echidna.

I know most people will disagree with me here, but I believe what I wanna believe and everyone has an opinion, and to my opinion, Sonic The Hedgehog 2006 was the last Sonic game to ever have a decent story, before that was Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Adventure, I mean for f*ck's sake, even some of the games that came for the Gameboy Advance (Sonic Advance3 and Sonic Battle) had better stories than Sonic Unleashed or Sonic Colors, and I believe everyone agrees to me that Sonic Generations doesn't even count in the stories departure.
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Delquea
5 years ago
The irony about 06 was that. It never happened. that was pretty much a punch to the face for those who actually enjoyed the story and cos of that it often don't count at all period.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Well I don't care, the story of the game DID happen, wither it counts as canon or not is another thing but the game DID happen so all those who claim the game doesn't even exist can stfu because I have it, I play it, it's there ;)
Delquea
5 years ago
Plius the story didnt appeal to me at all and due to the ending. to me it never happened. That my opinion.

Its all a matter of opinion, no facts at all.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Well it's okay wither you like the story in Sonic 06 or no, it's a matter of opinion that's not the point, since you prefer Sonic Unleashed story would you explain to me what you liked about it?
Delquea
5 years ago
I never said I preferred it lol I just pointed out how its a matter of an opinion whether you find it funny or dont like it and vice versa.

Also the bit about Generations not counting as a story. I have to disagree cos imo the story in a sonic game dont matter. why? cos if a game like Sonic 3 & Knuckles a game from the early 90s can still remain a fun game to play to this very day by several million people despite the plot being pretty much difficult if not impossible to understandable, than why should the plot of other sonic games really matter the most?
Delquea
5 years ago
understand*
Didn't meant to put understandable lol
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Sonic 3 didn't have plot holes like Sonic Generations, just explain to me what was that mirror scene from Generations all about?
Delquea
5 years ago
Actually Sonic 3 did had plot holes. Especially concerning the existence of the Super Emeralds *which Sega confirmed were the Chaos Emeralds* and have yet to explained the fact Sonic also had the 7 chaos emeralds with him.

As for Generations. Yeah the holes were the point of the game. Time was the main aspect of the game for crying out loud. When dealing with Time plots, you WILL run into intentional plot holes. It up to the player themselves to piece them together or just ragequit and call it a shitty plot/game.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Fair enough about Sonic 3, but you really want me to believe Sonic Generations had a bad story because the creators intended to make it a time/space quantum? Please, you're talking about the same company that did Ristar, the game that had a good level on Game Gear based on dreams (which was Japan exclusive), Japanese people KNOW how to make stories about time and space quantum where nightmares become real, just think of Paprika, a really good horror anime, it's clear that Sonic Generations' story wasn't finished.
Delquea
5 years ago
I wasn't even trying to get you to believe anything *facepalm* I have no clue how you came to that conclusion.

"Japanese people KNOW how to make stories about time and space quantum where nightmares become real." Uh.... should I be offended. *japanese descent*

Ethnic/Nationality/Culture don't mean anything when it comes to stories. Its all depends on the actual story writer who proposed the ideas cos I seen great time and space quantum plots in other countries, not just Japan. and I been to several countries in my life.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Fair enough, I'll agree with you here!
Foxie03
5 years ago
Chip basically stealing Tails` role in Unleashed was pretty much the one thing i didn`t like, i love chip but still. Since i`m pretty much a straightforward person(o_O) i can tolerate any story in a sonic game, yeah its silly but thats me though.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Has Tails been there instead of Chip would have been a far better idea, it's the best part about Sonic Colors actually that Sonic and Tails were at least friends again.
BlueChika
5 years ago
Everyone has their own opinion.
That's all you need to know from me.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
You told me that in skype before, you like Unleashed like I like Sonic 06 but you explained that you like it because of sonamy, which I'm sorry I didn't even see that, of all games Amy was searching for Sonic this is the one game she found him and didn't follow him, all the others (including Sonic 06 which you hate so much) had her chasing after Sonic, in fact there's a level where you can have Sonic ADMIT his feelings to her, which never happened in any game before, not even Sonic Chronicles which had so much sonamy in it.
BlueChika
5 years ago
I love the little scene that happens in between them. But that is not the reason I Love the game. I love the games gameplay and story. If you don't like it is not my problem. I just said that people have different opinions towards things.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Fair enough, gameplay is another 'story'
Starkle2
5 years ago
Actually, you can skip cutscenes in the game. At least on the Wii/PS2 version. As far as I know, the only cutscene that can't be skipped on that version is the opening.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I was gonna mention that but then decided not to, yeah I got both versions and I think aside from the story the Wii version was far better than the PS3/360 version in pretty much everything, especially in the nighttime levels (let's face it the daytime levels suck in both versions anyway) but not only do you skip cutscenes there but you actually don't have to search for them stupid medals.
JohnnyHedgeWolf
5 years ago
I really don't care about story in a Sonic game most of the time.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Story make abut 65% of a Sonic game to me so I guess no way I'm ever enjoying any Sonic game since Sonic 06!
JohnnyHedgeWolf
5 years ago
That's when I stopped caring about story really. Sonic 06 was a complete train wreck to me and a complete kick to the balls by the end by basically going 'lol this never happened'
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I guess in a way you hating the story of 06 blocked how bad the story was in Unleashed, lol.
JohnnyHedgeWolf
5 years ago
Actually after replaying Sonic Unleashed, I like the story a lot. It's not overly complicated like Shadow the Hedgehog but at the same time not to simple. I hate it when Sonic games try to make him some kind of Shakespearean epic when you really come down to it at the end of the day it's about a blue hedgehog fighting an over weight man wanting to take over the world. While I hate the Werehog game play aspects, I do love Unleashed overall. Yeah it has useless characters, but then again if Shadow, Cream, Rouge and many other characters is still around then I don't see why people should complain about that. Having Eggman much like AOSTH Robotnik is a good thing really. I mean, if a big old fat man was trying to be serious with a name like 'Eggman' I don't think that would go over well with the hole 'im intimidating' thing. Over all, I still don't care about story but when a story is good it's good.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I'll just copy/paste my reply in DA here:

'I'm sick and tired of people using the "talking blue hedgehog" card everytime they wanna make an argument how Sonic shouldn't have plots, because a blue talking robot named "X" is so much better to have decent plots, or a man dressed up as a bat fighting a clown in the middle of the night cussing and swearing is so much better.'

As for AOSTH Robotnik being a good character, I can't change your opinion on that but I really really fail to see it, he's as lame as that Gargamel from The Smurfs, he's that lame, nobody's evil because he's evil, everybody has a reason for his actions and believes he's the victim, that's how you do a villain in a story, Sonic The Hedgehog isn't Dora The Explorer ya know.
Delquea
5 years ago
That and some people really don't care about the plot.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
And some do like myself, those who don't care for the plot can skip it, problem solved and everybody wins O_<
kalika12
5 years ago
After Yuji Naka left the series developing,I kinda knew that the franchise was just gonna be completely commercial like Call Of Duty ( make a new game with just some new features and the first plot that comes in our minds so we can sell it and make money ).
sonictopfan
5 years ago
So all we have to do now is track down Mr Naka and kill him while he's asleep for abandoning the franchise like this, problem solved, thanks XD nah kidding!
KAIJUfreak
5 years ago
Stories are always irrelevant in Sonic games anyways. The old games, minus a few like Sonic 3 & Knuckles didn't rely on cutscenes, except for the endings, and had no dialog whatsoever. If you wanted a story synopsis, you read the manual for the game if you had it. Personally, I do agree that Sonic 06 had a much more serious story, and I commend Sonic Team for trying it, but if not for the plot holes, bad script, etc, etc, and the fact that time reset itself so that the story never happened, (Lets be honest, does ANYONE want to see Sonic with Elise?) I think it would have really stood out more. Unleashed was just about as useless as Sonic Heroes, but I still like both of those games. So therefore, a Story is there to kill time when your not playing the game.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
A good story encourages you to play more, that's something Sonic Heroes and Sonic Unleashed failed in, heck even Sonic Colors had a far better story imo than Unleashed ever could and that was a Wii title, in any case I'm glad that you agree with me partially at least, as for your question my answer is no, I don't want Sonic to be with Elise "I picked Amy in the test of love" but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't cried a bit when Elise hesitated to put out Iblis, or when Sonic passed by and he knew her but she didn't know him, ever since I beat the game I feel whelmed and a little sad every time I listen to My Destiny.
Delquea
5 years ago
" sonictopfan wrote:
A good story encourages you to play more, that's something Sonic Heroes and Sonic Unleashed failed in


From your perspective that is on account I played Sonic Heroes for 2 years straight before finally getting bored with it and still play Sonic Unleashed to this day attempting to get rank S on well everything.

And what does being on the Wii have to do with a story?
sonictopfan
5 years ago
If you're talking about Sonic Unleashed on Wii then I can understand you having some fun with it, in any case the story is more important to some people than others in a video game and to me both Heroes and Unleashed failed in that departure, it's my opinion at least.
Delquea
5 years ago
No I have the 360 version and enjoyed it a lot. I even have a friend who is a big sonic fan who envy me since he have the wii version.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Tell him he couldn't be more wrong, I have both versions, I beat them both "two times each", I prefer the Wii version over the 360/PS3 version but they both suck, surprisingly the mobile version was really really good though.
Delquea
5 years ago
Dude its a fucking matter of opinion.... *getting annoyed by the fact you really are taking this too seriously* the game sucks to you that dont mean it sucks to others get over it jeez. Some people find the story good. some don't not everyone have to take your word and vice versa, and some find it fun, some don't again its a matter of opinion jeez... x.x
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I didn't mean to force my opinion, what bothers me is that ever since Sonic Unleashed SEGA been doing nothing but bad stories copying from it so the days of me ever enjoying another Sonic game seem to be over for good, of course I'd care.
Delquea
5 years ago
To be honest. a game that you can beat in a day or 2, I believe a plot shouldn't even be the major factor. If you can beat a game that fast, you pretty much didnt even have time to understand the plot. Several of the plots was farfetched. Too many of them were pretty much copies of other plots. Heck the whole Black Doom being Shadow's father was the corniest thing I ever seen in any plot because it been overdone. *Believe me if you are a US Citizen you will realize how overused that is with a biological construct being created by something otherworldly*

And in the case with 06. Some plots were a as guys would say. a Kick to the Balls. All that build up, the effort, the fact they took on something that cannot be killed unless you're the creator of all things. And in the end, it never happened since time was reset. I'm sorry but what the hell? that worse than ending a series *cough*SatAM*cough* on a cliffhanger. At least it was hinted there was more to come *granted you have the comics* but Sonic 06 was a kick to the balls in every sense. Honestly Sonic 06 had the most under done plot and Sega was clearly trying too hard. And yes. a story is NEVER decent when it have a horrible ending. This is why to me despite enjoying the game itself. Sonic 06 had the WORSE plot of any sonic game. A good or decent story should end on a good note. not a "Oh LOL this never happened, continue on with your lives c: " Heck among the more emotional moments a real ball kicker was the fact Blaze's Sacrifice never happened and that Sonic came back to life rather than giving the mantle to someone else like most game series would do.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Well I'm not a US citizen, I'm Asian, so I wouldn't know, also who said I wanted a short game? Sure a short "decent" game like Colors is a lot better than a shitty shit like Unleashed but a long enough game like Sonic 06 is even better, longer doesn't mean more levels ya know, it means more play value, add in side missions (not overkill the game with it like Unleashed did which throws the players away), add variety of gameplay (different characters to choose from, different paths, different stories), add extra uncrackables like the Chao garden and kart racing mini game, add hub worlds, you know more gameplay value.

What's the big deal if the story (never happened)? This is very common in video games ya know, Looney Tune's Sheep Raider had the WHOLE game, from the very beginning, to be nothing but a dream Ralf had, heck even Super Mario Bros 2 (US) did this very same thing with the whole game being nothing but a dream Mario had while he's asleep, at least Sonic was established that what happened DID happen but was erased from the history so in a way he did have these fights, and Sonic Generations proved it with Crisis City being there, meaning in some time/space in Sonic's universe Sonic 06 does exist.
Delquea
5 years ago
THe funny part, I beaten sonic 06 with a 100% in a matter of days. The game was TOO easy. and taking advantage of the glitches makes it even more easier. Simply put, it was short to me like any sonic game.

Ironically you just said Generation doesn't count so you're contradicting yourself now. ^^;
Mind making up your mind?
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Simple, I dislike Sonic Generations but I don't hate it, I hate Sonic Unleashed, I like Sonic 06, and Sonic Colors is a meh to me.
Delquea
5 years ago
Ironically Sonic 06 is the most hated game in the series.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Also it's the most non-played game in the series, fans always judge it without playing it like "I didn't play it but I know it sucks"
Delquea
5 years ago
Reviews from those who played it. IGN reviews, Game Informer reviews, Gamespot reviews and so on. The game got a horrible score. The fact several sonic fans even dislike it because they felt very disappointed with it and so on. Sonic 06 is unfortunately no underrated type.
Swiftfurrball
4 years, 12 months ago
Look,instead of being a total B*tch Just listen to what hes saying not "Oh I know im Gona be an
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",Cause no one cares about you're ranting,Okay
ruink
5 years ago
Sonic Unleashed was the latest Sonic game I've played.  haven't played Colors or Generations, and probably don't plan on getting the new one either.  one thing I've heard about Unleashed, and feel free to debunct this, is that the versions of the game focus on the opposite things.  I have it on PS2 and the P2/Wii version were based more on moon medals, while the P3 and Xbox focused more on sun medals (or is it the other way around).  and the stages between console types are different?  I liked the storyline of Sonic Battle actually, and I hope that Sonic and crew bust out another fighter in the future.

Still, my favorite 3D title to this day is the first Sonic Adventure, simply because I liked the freedom of walking around areas to access stages, something I was pissed that they took away from Sonic Adventure 2.  and Shadow the Hedgehog was, aside from being under rated (IMO) was run through a loop, attack, run some more, shoot when needed, ride something, rape the word "damn", all while having a partner that barely does anything and facing repeated bosses.  through one gameplay, I faced the same boss three times!  it's not worth the replay value when you recycle bosses through the game like that.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I hate to be seem rude but you didn't talk about the story or why you like/hate it? To answer your question yes the Wii version focused more on nightime levels (and did them a mile better) while the PS3/360 version focused more on the daytime levels, to me they both sucked.
ruink
5 years ago
the storyline of Sonic Unleashed is something I overlooked.  don't get me wrong I read it, but I was more focused on the gameply over caring about the story.  seeing Sonic affected by dark energy isn't something I stress about.  but for your sake...

the only good cutscene from Unleashed, IMO, is the opening one.  all the other stuff was either repeat with different scenery, or just boring plot development.
DarkMatter
5 years ago
I found the games story great. No offense but you really just seemed to rant the whole time. As much as you may hate the game, you gotta word it in a non-ranty way in order to provide good points without screaming at the reader.

Eggman doesn't have to be pure brilliant evil genius all the time. Some humor between him and an advice robot he made was pretty funny in my opinion. Other than that, he was still evil genius.

For the flashback idea, yes I agree. Flashbacks are great and help show the story, but not much happened when they were talking about the past that we haven't already seen before.

Amy wasn't stalking sonic, she just merely thought the Werehog WAS Sonic so she ran up and hugged him. Of course I want to see Tails help out more, but I didn't mind one game that focused on Sonic. Shadow and Knuckles were not in Unleashed.

Finding Medals really wasn't that difficult. The only time I NEEDED to search for medals when I was all the way in Adabat.

Here's where I see an issue: Your complaints fit PERFECTLY with Sonic Colors and Generations, yet you pick on Unleashed.  The problems in Unleashed's Story seemed very few and far between. Eggman just banters between his two robots while getting his ass kicked by Sonic. Sonic just throws one liners constantly in those games while tails shares in the stupidity. Amy in Generations was just a stereotype, and the other characters didn't do anything either. I absolutely LOVE a good story in a game, and when there isn't a good story I tend to not really care about beating the game. It took me like 2 days to beat unleashed when it took me 2 weeks or more to beat colors. Generations was made to be a nostalgia trip, so I don't even consider it a new story.

I just hope they have a good story with Sonic Lost World. Knowing that they brought Tails, Knuckles, and Amy gets my hopes up, but I'm not gonna hold my breath too hard just in case.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I did say "a small rant" in the title ^^; yes I was ranting because I really hate the game and everything about it, I'm sorry that's just my opinion and every other opinion is welcome, I don't mean to attack anyone's even though sometimes it may seem like it.

When was Eggman an evil genius since Sonic 06? heck even in 2006 "Sonic Riders" he was a joke, in fact it's the game that started this all, sure some humor now and then is fine like in Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 but when he's always goofy you get sick real quick, I mean how many times do they have to make the same lame coughing laugh joke?

For the record I do hate Colors and Generations too, I just hate Unleashed more because it has more bad decisions to offer which were fixed in Colors and Generations like the annoying useless crawling animation and mapping the homing attack on the boost button, making it a suicide button if your timing was incorrect, or how broken the wall jump was in 3D that in Colors and Generations were moved to 2D sections only.

Really? It took me about a week to beat Unleashed the first time on Xbox 360, and that's JUST the story, I hated the game so much I never cared to play the extra missions and that's the only agme I didn't 100%, yes even rare Sonic games, then I played it on Wii (took me a couple of days) then not long ago I replayed it on PS3 and it took me a week too, as for Generations I beat it 100% in three days, Sonic Colors I beat it the very same night I bought it, 100%ed it the next day.

Well at least Lost World fixed the gameplay, finally an interesting open world Sonic game, now I really hope Sonic Team prove me wrong about the story being bad, seeing how it's by the same writers from Colors and Generations, but if it had a decent story at the very least then I'd be really happy, after all gameplay is always more important in a game than story so I'm already excited for the game.
DarkMatter
5 years ago
I will agree wholeheartedly about the button mapping, and I will say it was fixed in Generations. However, the crawling animation was put there to get under areas without needing to slide, especially in the overworld areas, and I don't see a problem with it. Wall jumping always worked pretty well for me, so I don't have a problem with it.

I beat Sonic Unleashed 100% for 360 because it is one of my favorite sonic games made. Some parts of playing werehog got frustrating, but it really wasn't bad enough to ruin the game for me. Sonic Unwiished's day stages were ok, but the werehog stages were a NIGHTMARE to get through. It took me about a week or two to get through Unwiished because the werehog stages were so awful and he was so exhausting to try and control.

I'm not quite sure why you don't like the day stage gameplay in unleashed, but I don't mind that sega is switching up the play style. I'm interested to see how Lost World turns out. Honestly, I just want a comeback in story telling, because I love the Sonic universe and like to have more character interaction as well as plot happening.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I'll admit my problem with the crawl animation is merily that it looks silly on Sonic, he's supposed to be cool, bad-ass, edgy, have you ever seen Mega-Man crawl before? Crawling works for Mario, Crash, Rayman, ya know, bad designed characters (with Rayman being debatable), as for the wall jump it may "seem" to work fine in 2D but try it in a 3D section see how broken it is, like that area in Chun-nan hub, I keep falling in the water every time I try to wall jump I have to be 100% accurate, ya know even Super Mario Sunshine, which is said to be the worst 3D Mario game (I'd say the only bad one as all the others are great actually) had good physics and did the wall jump in 3D just fine and that was in 2002 so it's no excuse for Sonic not to do it right in 2008.

In any case Sonic Lost World looks promising, it may not have a good story (it's a little too early to know for sure) but the gameplay sure seems solid and fun.
randomguy999
5 years ago
My only problem with the werehog is that within the story it was not used completely for what it was meant to serve: show Sonic in a real predicament where not only has he lost his trademark skill, but also loss confidence in himself out of fearing he might be rejected for his appearance. I think that they could had used Amy a bit more, trying to reach him to tell what she eventually did, but with Sonic playing harder to get out of his insecurity.

Regarding Pickles. I think personally that he is one of the very, very few good characters who instead of cluttering the list with yet another plot-dependant anthro that can't be used freely (like Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze, Silver, Marine, etc) or be redundant (Cream) can actually add something unique to each one of the main characters of the franchise, such as being a mentor for Tails, educating Amy, helping Knuckles discover more about his culture, give Sonic a reason to visit new places by asking him to get souveniers, etc. Basically being the good couterpart of Dr. Eggman. In fact, I'd love if Pickles were to be written as part of the doctors past, being the one who educated him and saw the doc's downfall into the path of evil... simply being the only one who truly understands Eggman and who knows that there is still good in him.

It just makes me laugh how many people accuse the professor of stealing Tails role, when there is nothing more false than that because Tails's only helps Sonic with things related to technology, not with the studies of ancient civilizations.

Likewise I loved Chip because he is the first character in a long time that was important to the story without stealing Sonic's spotlight like when Shadow, Blaze or Silver where introduced. It's a story about Sonic and how he has to deal with his transformation into a werehog, with Chip being added to provide the solution. Also their chemistry was nicely done, though I think that when Chip had his true nature revealed to him, the writers could had added a conflict where Chip fears that him being basically a god might affect his friendship with Sonic. Still the scene where they get separated was IMO heartwarming.

Overall, I think that Unleashed is as close we are ever gonna get to having a Sonic game with a story and an aesop that has that Pixar feel to it, rather than the more pretentious stories of the past like SA2, StH or 06, which tried to take the franchise into a direction it was not meant to be taken.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
I'm pretty sure they used the Werehog to what they intended him to do, i.e. slow him down and add more combat and platforming (which Knuckles would have done that perfectly fine with no issues, though the Retro fans would still complain on why's Knuckles slow and has boring combat sections), our love for Sonic & Amy is not what SEGA care about, for all they care they had her in the game so they could shut us up.

Quite frankly I would have liked it better had Cream been there instead of Mr Cucumber, I sure hope we never see him nor Light Gaia again, but I see your point about him being Eggman's tutor from the past, it's like Mega-Man where Dr Light was the tutor for Dr Wily before he turned evil.

Chip is a god? 0.0 dude it's bad enough we have Chaos as a god, I know in your culture this is normal but where I come from this is creepy as hell, it's far more creepy to us than a 5 years old pregnant girl in your culture, yet another reason for me to hate Sonic Unleashed more, and there I thought Sonic respected religion based on Sonic Adventure 2 that showed nothing but respect to ours.

What's wrong with the dark stories from SA2 and Sonic 06? I'll just copy my post from DA here:

'I'm sick and tired of people using the "talking blue hedgehog" card everytime they wanna make an argument how Sonic shouldn't have plots, because a blue talking robot named "X" is so much better to have decent plots, or a man dressed up as a bat fighting a clown in the middle of the night cussing and swearing is so much better.'
randomguy999
5 years ago
But the thing is that Sonic underwent a transformation, as since it's HIS story, he's the one being used. Knuckles, yeah he might have work (personally, I'd rather pick Amy over him for combat since she was actually in the story and I find her hammer to be visualy more stricking as well as staying in line with the cartoonish slapstick levels of violence).

Also how could Cream help Sonic in his search for asnwers? She is just a 6 year old kid whose only special talent is understanding Cheese. The plot involved records from ancient civilization and neither Tails (a mechanic) nor Knuckles (who only knows bits of his own culture, not others). The only one  who could was Eggman, but he is evil, so they needed to add a character who would provide for that.

Also I find it a bit of a double standard to like 06 who had a god in the form of Solaris, while disliking Unleashed because it also had a god (divided in both dark and light). And also I don't mean to disrespect, but anyone can come up with a god and use it both for fictional works, or to create a cult around it. Frankly the idea of being offended because other cultures have their own gods or people creating and using them in fiction is a very dangerous and poisoning thing... just like how nationalism can also cloud the heart and mind of human beings, with both causing nothing but hate and intolerance. I think a bit more like Tolstoy, and believe that both the state and religion are there to exploit and corrupt the people, and enforce their power through brute force, not by reason. Don't get me wrong... I do belive that there is something that is beyond everything. I just don't believe that any culture or religion has the definitive answer, nor that it has to have the form of a human, like it's usually represented in many cultures, which seem more like a desire for man to reasuere their position as the superior being. And yeas, I am more creeped out by a pregnant 5 year old because that is a real living being suffering. A god on the other hand can't suffer because we simply can't even tell if t exists or not, and a such remains as just an idea or concept, and in my own perception, a human life, along with all it's rights (such as the right to have a normal childhood), is above any and all gods. And the same think I can say in respect to nationalism, traditions, culture or any other things that are based around ideas created by mankind.

I just can't respect any religion when it places god, an idea that can or not exist above the value of the life of those that actually exist, or when it's used to poison the minds of people, filling it with hate and sending them to do "the work of god" as justification for murder. Maybe I sound like a heretic, but what good is in loving god if one can't love their neighbours? And this is somethign I apply to all religions. Personally, I don't care who is right or who is wrong, but the moment religion is used for anything but the spiritual enlightment of the individual, then we have a problem.

Also this may be a reply to another post in this same page, but Roger never had sexual intercourse with Jessica, at least not in the way we humans do because IIRC, she said that Roger "made her laugh". :P
sonictopfan
5 years ago
Sonic 06 had Satan, not a god, besides you have your own believes and I have mine and I'm 100000% certain of the existence of God, I have proved it many times, but this isn't a religion lecture and I can see once again your western culture is affecting you to find what you believe is creepy is bad and what you don't believe is creepy is normal without respecting that maybe in other cultures things can be different, it's obvious your experience with religion was bad but that doesn't mean all religions are the same and I couldn't be more certain that I'm following the true one, also God never wants hatred and killing, this is man doing, God does his own work, he doesn't need anyone or anything to do his work when all he needs for the work to be done is to say let it be, at the end of the day it's a belief and one shall respect others' believes, but I don't wanna change your opinion nor care to to be honest, in my religion we say "you have your religion and we have a religion" simple as that.

Roger married her so yeah he did screw her, end of story.
VortexLegacy7
5 years ago
finally,somebody who thinks and talks the same opinion as me,i didnt like sonic unleashed either cuz of the story.i rather play from sonic adventure to sonic the hedgehog 2006 any day,i dont care how shitty was the gameplay or graphics.
sonictopfan
5 years ago
At least I'm not the only one.
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