FA & Working With Me by Kannos < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

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Neonfurries

10 years, 7 months ago

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it would be great to see you on FA again, only how would you get back on?

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Neonfurries

Well hopefully if there is enough community support it will help to persuade the admins, since at the moment they appear to be hesitant on the matter, despite all my efforts. I think that hearing it from people other than me will help since it's a third party opinion and will hold more weight than my own.

Neonfurries

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

sounds like a good idea, well I'm on board if anyone ever posts a petition or something!

QueenKami

10 years, 7 months ago

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I'd like to see you on FA, though I'm not much for buying commissions from people I think a "pay upon completion" thing is up to you-if they don't like it then they don't have to buy one in the first place.
Haha, but I think your art would be great and a ton of people would love you over on FA. ♥

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ QueenKami

Yeah. The issue is that in the past I worked on the standard 'pay upfront' basis that all artists use and was very slow, so it lead to people getting upset with me. For the past 2.5 years I have worked on a 'pay upon completion' basis which in turn keeps all the risk solely on my end with none to the client and it has been a great success. Unfortunately it seems that the admins are not convinced despite my efforts, so I am hoping that input from others will help things.

QueenKami

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

I understand the problems with the "pay before" thing too-I've run into a few people complaining about me being slow, even if i explained health issues and such.
But that's unfortunate-I wish you luck getting back on FA, though, I feel that you could make some good money from being there. Hoping not to make you sound greedy in anyway, though, or make myself only interested in the money from it. It's just if you make your living from it it's pretty important. c:
But in any way, if you DO happen to get back on there I'll certainly watch you!

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ QueenKami

Indeed. I love working this way because, even though the risk is on me, it makes the whole process very relaxing and comfortable for both me and the buyer, which in turn results in higher quality work. I don't have to sit and stress about anything and can instead focus solely on producing artwork that the buyer will love. And likewise the buyer doesn't need to worry about paying and then waiting, or paying to reserve a slot in a queue that may be long, or anything like that. It allows them to commission art worry-free since they do not need to pay until the artwork is actually finished.

QueenKami

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

Hm-you know, this is actually pretty nice when you put it into words.
I'm honestly still new to the whole commission thing-no one's ever seen my art as "good" until recently...So I never really thought of how people would pay except for a general up front thing! I might consider taking commissions on a pay-later way...It just sounds better for the person I am, getting distracted so easily...haha... ^^ll

MystBunny

10 years, 7 months ago

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If I had my way, I'd want all artists to forget about FA and mass-exodus on out of that hate-breeding pit of cliches, but I wouldn't think any less of you, (assuming they DO keep their word about letting you back in) particularly since you'll still be posting here.

Yiffox

10 years, 7 months ago

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really phuck FA...the people who run it are douchebags. Don't play into that game that I've seen them play with so many others...,...they make up rules, dont follow them, ban people randomly, more cuz they dont like the artist/artwork than any rule violations. Getting back on their means kissing their asses, and they lead people on for years making them kiss their ass and still dont let them back on. my advice is dont demean yourself. Build a following here...I make way more money here now than FA as I have been concentrating on IB and SF as respectful places to artists.

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Yiffox

I'm not here to bash FA, and that's not what this journal is about. It's not about people's personal opinions about the site, but rather strictly about the topic of working with me, and whether they would like to see me back on FA.

Also, I will be honest in saying that FA provided me with a much larger client-base than IB has and, in turn, a more livable income. Since I support myself entirely off of my art and am not longer receiving student loans due to being maxed out, the ability to generate enough income to pay my bills, pay for college, etc is very important to me. That doesn't mean I wouldn't still post on IB and take commissions through here, but the added exposure of being on two sites would be extremely helpful.

Yiffox

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

I would agree...but what I'm saying is any process of getting back on there means kissing a lot of ass, sometimes for years, and they lead you on that you may get on, yet, more ass kissing is required...I dont think they care what users think

Iarann

10 years, 7 months ago

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I would love to see you get back on FA. With pay on completion, there is no risk to the commissioner, it's all in your lap. I can't think of anything that would make someone uncomfortable there. I have commissioned you several times, and anticipate doing so again. I would definitely recommend you to anyone looking to buy.

As for benefit to the community, I think there is a lot to be gained. You have helped me a ton in improving my own artwork and I think that you have even more you could offer the the community at large. It's nice to hear that you wouldn't abandon your fanbase here as well, as I know of plenty of people here who cant or wont use FA.

phydoux

10 years, 7 months ago

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I ALREADY commission you, and intend to continue doing so
:)

Anailaigh

10 years, 7 months ago

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i think its unfair, to let on a bunch of others who offended the same if not WORSE than you did by their TOS etc... an still dick you around an make you wait. Basically torturing you. I believe you should be on ANY website possible, this including the FA i myself detest for one of multiple reasons - mainly how they treat their users, favortism here an hatred there. Being that as it may.. what you are seeking is here:

I think itd definitely benefit the furry community in general. FA/IB/SF/DA/WEASYL/(insert new furry website here) -- imo theyre honestly not gaining anything by keeping you OFF fa. Just makes them look more douchey an preferential treatment, which they have been constantly time an time again accused of.

They are missing out on a TALENTED artist and person. Exceptional skill, customer satisfaction through the roof -- no one on earth is perfect, we all have flaws but we shouldnt be punished for simple ones -- for life. Its ridiculously absurd. I have recommended you to MANY -- milshakejunkie happens to be one of your repeat customers, as well as myself. look forward, not back, look at ALL THE GOOD.. not the very few mistakes, that were RIGHTED when brought to attention.

Lifes about living, making mistakes, learning from it, growing and changing for the better. Which, you have. theres ZERO risk on the COMMISSIONERS part for -PAY AFTER COMPLETED WORKS- are completed. Its the artist who will suffer if the pics done, given, an then they wait for the pay... they lose the time, the product (if traditional) and the money if the person doesnt ante up after the piece has been completed.

Ive NEVER had an issue with you. You always LISTEN (unlike other artists) an go ABOVE & BEYOND to make the customer(s) happy. your works detailed, beautiful an well done. Whether b/w sketches, flat colored, or full background full color IN YOUR FACE Awesomeness.

All in all, you should be let back onto fa. Its ultimate bullshit theyve dicked you around so long like they have. Making you jump through flaming hoops like some show seal, keeping you on the edge of the slightest sliver of hope that you can get back on an not have to struggle to live life. You got testimonies from TONS of folks, that shouldve been enough to say yes or no.

WanderingSmoke

10 years, 7 months ago

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I would definitely like to see you back on FA.

I prefer to pay up front. The trouble with pay on completion, for me, is that I'm on a limited budget and I don't know if I'll have money when its done. Its much less stressful for me to save up, pay, and wait patiently. I have no problem waiting months as long as there is some communication. Once a month.

Of course you being on FA would be a benefit. Great art enriches any art site. I'm always sad when artists leave. More so when they delete their gallery. Sorry for going off topic there.

I use both IB and FA. I use FA alot more because, well, its bigger. IB is vastly superior though...in my opinion.

Shokuji

10 years, 7 months ago

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"	Would you like to see me back on FA?

I totally understand artists needing traffic to get more watchers which means more commissioners so, considering that the one thing FA has going for it is traffic, I don't fault any artist for going there. That said, I really wish FA's history and the never-ending drama that comes out of there mattered to more people. One thing not listed was the whole Viglink debacle where they started using a tracking advertisement system (w/o telling anyone) that followed you off-site and basically spied on what you purchased giving the staff a commission for each recorded purchase. It was only after they were caught that they 'announced' the use of this scheme and gave people the ability to opt-out (rather than opt-in).

I could easily go on but I'll cut it short and end with this: The owner & staff of FA have shown very little responsibility in their positions (linked above) and have consistently made poor decisions managing the site to the point of practically abusing their users on several occasions (also linked above). Please do not support a site that abuses it's users and conduct business in controversial ways.

"	Given that I work on a 'pay upon completion' basis (which I would intend to use on FA as well since I love working this way) would you feel comfortable commissioning me?

Yes.

"	Do you feel that I pose any 'risk' to the community by taking commissions on a strict 'pay upon completion' basis and is there anything about that process that makes you uncomfortable?

No.

"	Do you feel that me being allowed back on FA would be of any benefit to the community?

You produce great art, so it would be a benefit to any community, but please refer to my previous statement about FA. This next part is just my thoughts based on previous events I was witness to: Don't be surprised if you get popular enough on FA, to the point you rely on it to sustain your income, that you'll be 'strongly encouraged' to leave other sites by users and/or staff members. While I admit I have no evidence behind this theory I can say that over the past 3 years I've seen some very odd departures from here that make me suspect there's something underhanded going on.

Anyways, hope that answered your questions.

MilkshakeJunkie

10 years, 7 months ago

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I think its your choice in the mater no matter what. Getting back on FA will help you make more of a profit which is good for finances but is known for assholes but so is every website of some sort. I have always had outstanding work from you ranging from small to large and intense projects so to see your art bring mine and others ideas to life in more places is always nice too ^^

AllenRosten

10 years, 7 months ago

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Well, I'm on both FA and IB... So whichever is good for me. I guess it all depends on your original reasons for leaving FA in the first place, as to why you'd want to go back. It's still run poorly, by people that are quick on the ban and suspension button... With no one checking up on them, as to WHY they banned or suspended said person. So it's up to you, I guess.

But if you do get back on to FA I will definitely watch you. XP

OneHit

10 years, 7 months ago

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Yes, i would LOVE to see you back on FA, hun.

I think the pay upon completion plan is a good thing, and if you love working that way, even better.

I don't feel you pose any risk to the community, and think that your payment plans are a nice system.

I loved commissioning you when i did, and i have recommended your work to others. And would continue to do so.

I think you're one of the most talented people in the community, and having you back on FA would be a tremendous benefit, bringing those people back to FA who may have left because you were forced out.

Swampwulf

10 years, 7 months ago

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My only questions are :
Are you not getting enough work?
Do YOU need FA, with all it's bullshit, back in your life?

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Swampwulf

As far as work goes, I am not getting enough to sustain myself on a consistent basis, and in the rare (and few) months that I am able to fully pay each and every expense I have, it means taking on and completing so much work that I run myself ragged, aggravate my ligament injuries in my wrist (TFCC tears). So in rare months there is 'enough' work, but it's also many smaller pieces, so it means I am unable to do anything during my day except work from the minute I wake till the minute I sleep. During the school semester (which just started this past Monday) I no longer have the luxury of working 8-12 hours per day on art. So now I find myself in a situation where my expenses have grown (because of the added school-related needs) but my income has diminished because I don't have as much time to take on as many pieces. On FA, I could solve this easily in a way that makes all parties involved happy: the classic multi-character YCH auction. This allows me to potentially earn part or all of my school related expenses (or living expenses, or whatever I need) while in turn only working on one piece rather than needing to put out 10 or more to meet the same goal. This way I am not running myself ragged, the quality of work will not suffer, I can still focus on my studies and keeping my grades high, and everyone is happy because payment is STILL only due upon completion of the work.

For artists, FA is a great financial resource due to the much wider audience that is present there. I won't beat around the bush and come up with some sugar-coated reason for why I wish to be back because that would be fruitless and I honestly don't think there is any shame in wanting to go somewhere as a means of better supporting oneself.

The unfortunate thing is that the administration seems to not trust me and asks what assurance they would have that things from the past will not happen again. That's fine, I totally understand where they are coming from, but what I find disheartening is the fact that despite me having presented plenty of proof that my methods work, that customers love it, etc, it doesn't seem to be assurance enough. Meanwhile others have their bans lifted and are let back on, which baffles me since I can only assume that the only reassurance they have given is also 'their word'. So that's why I have reached out to the community to ask you guys for your support/input. Maybe 10, 20, 100 voices will be listened to, because so far just my 'one' isn't enough. :/

Shokuji

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

Don't forget that you could very easily find much more traffic on Deviant Art considering they have over 20 Million users on that site. Also, SoFurry currently has at least double the users that Inkbunny has, Pixiv is a possibility as well. Plenty of other, more worthwhile, places to gain more watchers/traffic/business.

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Shokuji

I have tried DA and got nowhere with it. It's just not great for furry art, and everyone on there tries to pay with those silly 'points' that have no cash value. :/ I also tried Weasyl and Sofurry, also with no luck.

Shokuji

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

It does take some time to get known on a site/community. I have noticed on SoFurry it's a little slow, even though IB has less users I've noticed the community here is actually more active overall. DA is... odd.. I dont like it much either, but it's just one more way of getting noticed and there's nothing wrong with pointing people to another/main website.

Terril

10 years, 7 months ago

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I have never had a problem working with you.
Your work ethics have been more than many other artist I have commissioned in the past, and you are not only easy to communicate with, but take a direct interest in your commissioners.
On top of that, you're a really good artist worth your prices.

I hope you get on FA again soon.

Ragoth

10 years, 7 months ago

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I would love to see you back on FA, and pay on completion plan seems to be a good thing to me, specially if that is how you like to do things.

LoopHoss

10 years, 7 months ago

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I was thinking the same as Swampwulf a few comments up.
I personally have started to really dislike FA more and more over the years. I've only ever had one actual issue with the admins, but I've seen everything happening around me thru the people I watch there. That being said though I dont want my opinion of the site to effect your decision. If you could do better there and need the higher traffic, go for it. Just be careful, regardless of what they say FA is one to hold old grudges, and by that I mean both admins and some users sadly..

As for some of the other points, I've had great experiences working with you the few times I've commissioned you! I love your payment on completion method. ^^

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ LoopHoss

While I know that folks have expressed strong opinions about FA, how it's run, etc, there is no denying that for an artist who derives his/her sole income from art, it's pretty much the ONLY place to be where the audience is large enough to provide a proper, livable income. Especially in situations like the one I am in now, where school is going to keep me busier, but also requires lots of expensive books/supplies which are 'school edition' and can only be purchased from the campus bookstore. I could solve this issue easily on a site like FA by offering a single multi-character YCH piece for auction. This would keep my workload down to just one piece, but allow me to earn enough to cover most, if not all, of the expenses. On the other hand, here my sales are much lower, so I now need to take on a much larger workload to meet that same goal, which leaves less time for studying, sleep, etc. In the end, there is no risk to the clients either way since I only take payment upon completion, regardless whether it's a standard commission or a YCH auction. But being able to limit my workload while still earning what I need to take care of my expenses is crucial during the school semester when I lack the luxury of being able to work on commissions 8-12 hours a day.

So my desire to be on FA is primarily a matter of finances, but to be honest, I think that is true for any artist who is on there. And being able to earn a living while at the same time not working oneself ragged and is something that would be desirable to anyone.

KhaosSilva

10 years, 7 months ago

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Would you like to see me back on FA?

Yes!

Given that I work on a 'pay upon completion' basis (which I would intend to use on FA as well since I love working this way) would you feel comfortable commissioning me?

Always!

Do you feel that I pose any 'risk' to the community by taking commissions on a strict 'pay upon completion' basis and is there anything about that process that makes you uncomfortable?

I don't know how, you're just keeping it all sane in your own way by not having any worries about having money and therefor /having/ to do the work at somepoint. Which really stresses a lot of artists I've commissioned over the years! You can just say fuuuuuu and politely decline till a later date. ;>

If you have already commissioned me, would you recommend me/my art to others?

Hell yeah! I jsut have poor friends soooo XP

Do you feel that me being allowed back on FA would be of any benefit to the community?

I would hope so! I don't see how it wouldn't.

Infinityplus1

10 years, 7 months ago

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If you think it would provide you with better business opportunities, by all means, go ahead. As for the pay upon completion? I find this to be somewhat risky, but it's a personal risk, and as such, it's entirely up to you. If you work mostly in clients who have already demonstrated integrity then you should be fine.

bencoon

10 years, 7 months ago

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Kudos to you for limiting your workload to a level you can handle, as well as adopting a more consumer-friendly pay scale, especially since it provides incentive for a speedy completion of work owed. Just be careful of the clients you take.

However, I would like to point out a couple things before you continue along your route. First of all is the situation surrounding your initial banning. How're you doing on your backlogged prepaid work? Whether you've fulfilled those contracts would be taken into consideration as well.

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ bencoon

Yep, all of those that I was able to contact are being worked on. So far 4.5 out of 8 known backlogs are complete (I say 4.5 because one is a 2 part thing with one piece completed and the second one pending). I work on them in between my commissions so I can ensure that backlog progresses AND that I am still able to pay at least my essential bills.

KaylaLa

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

By the by, I think part of the problem is that people are worried once you're allowed back onto furaffinity, you'll stop working on your backlog. You just admitted that you have one and are working on it, albeit slowly. But it would be easy to be afraid that once you're on the site, you'll take on new work and lose track of what you still owe, and the remaining pieces you've owed for possibly years will be forgotten again.

Once you completely finish your backlog, I think you'll have a much better chance at easing the admins' fears, as only then will you be starting with a truly clean slate. Hope that makes sense and gets across why they're probably hesitant!

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ KaylaLa

I have no issues with finishing the backlog, and I want to do it as fast as possible and have been working on it as much as I can. But the issue at hand is that as it stands, because I am on a site with less traffic, I have to take on MORE (and lower priced) work to meet my financial needs. This means that, on a site like FA, I could put up say, a two character YCH auction and have it go for around $100/character. That is $200. Here on IB I sold a six character YCH for $230. So I had to do 3x the work for around the same dollar amount. This means more work and less time for anything else, backlog included. So actually, being on a site with more traffic means I could regulate my slots better, limit them/auction them, and in turn maintain a SMALLER workload as opposed to here, where I have to pile on lots of work just to get by, make rent, etc.

Also, I had proposed various terms to the FA staff, including something like being allowed back on a probationary period with the agreement that I complete one backlog piece per week, but those messages went ignored and I never received a reply, be it a yes/no/go to hell. I was left hanging in total silence. :/ So I even put backlog on the table as a condition of the probation. Obviously if I wasn't interested in finishing it, I wouldn't do something like that.

I'm willing to be flexible here but people need to understand that I am a human, not a machine. I need to sleep, and I can only work so many hours per day (in addition to being a full time college student), and when my hours are already stretched thin there is little I can do. No one wants to give me an ounce of flexibility and I myself can only bend so much at this point. Everyone else who has watched me can agree that I've put out a sincere effort and deserve to be let back on for another chance.

WhyteYote

10 years, 7 months ago

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I appreciate that you're 1. Asking opinions even though it's your ultimate decision, and 2. Respectful enough of the population here not to dump them like so many others do once they get a green light from FA.

Wish I could afford more art, cuz, yanno, I'm all chubby and hairy and you're good at that. :3

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ WhyteYote

I wish it was ultimately my decision, then I would already be back there. Sadly it's not mine at all, but rather that of the admins, thus I'm publicly asking folks, since the admins are hesitant.

It's a frustrating situation for me, because I've long since worked on a 'pay upon complete' basis, and yet the admins are hesitant because "what guarantee do we have that it won't happen again?" and apparently hundreds of successful commissions and extremely happy customers spanning from 2011 till now just isn't enough 'proof'. :/

Edit: also, chubbies = <3

WhyteYote

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

Yeah, the arbitrary nature of their choices is pretty irksome. It's a system, like the whole of the world is a system. And I've seen many artists with much less character welcomed with open arms, so it's largely personal and/or playing the game, whatever game it is.

Believe me, I'd be more popular if I only wrote stories that got the most views. But then I'd be both a horrible person and a horrible author.

*belly*

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ WhyteYote

I find it confusing since I think that anyone who has followed me in recent years has seen how efficient, communicative, friendly, etc I am and my testimonials journal (plus my gallery here on IB) is a testament to my hard work, high standard of customer satisfaction, and dedication to do things right. But apparently it is still not reassuring enough, so I am left scratching my head here because I don't know what else it is that I can do/offer. That's why I have opened it up for a public dialogue among everyone here. I can totally understand why the administration would have their reservations; I did run things extremely poorly in my previous years. But what I find a bit odd is that despite all the solid proof I have of running a good, professional business now, they still remain unconvinced. They say that they want things to be different (which they obviously are, otherwise I wouldn't be here, on IB, drawing so much and having so many happy customers) but yet they will not let me back on FA, be it probationary, etc.

I think the thing that confuses me the most is how there can be any perceived risk to them/the community/buyers/etc when I refuse payment until the work is completed. The only person at risk here is me. Me going back on FA and saying "Yes I will draw for you, but you can't pay me until the work is done" just doesn't leave ANY opportunity for risk to the buyer. I really don't see how that, coupled with my long history of working this way, would be deemed a risk to the site. It is disheartening that the massive amount of commissions (in number and dollar value) that I have completed with this policy in place remains overshadowed by the few mistakes I made years ago, many of which have already been corrected and the rest of which are in the process of being done.

And yeah, as far as work goes, I stick to my own standards of quality, subject matter, etc. You should keep on doing the same since quality and variety is the best thing an artist/writer/musician/etc can have within their body of work. :) There's no need to pigeon-hole yourself in any one specific 'type' just to sell/get views.

*rubs and floofs 'da belly* hehe :D

WhyteYote

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

Well, there's your mistake. You're coming at it with logic, but you're dealing with furries. :3

Wish I could offer more in the way of solutions, but you're dealing with a group of people who operate mostly on emotion and what "should feel good" more than what's practical and actually works. I learned this a while ago. Most of society operates the same way. How's that utopia workin' out, huh?

It's not like I'm going anywhere, so I hope you can get something going eventually.

Killerwolf1020

10 years, 7 months ago

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"	Would you like to see me back on FA?

Yes I would. That's where I first found your art and as it is the place where you get them most clients I think support you in your efforts to get back on the rutting site.

"	Given that I work on a 'pay upon completion' basis (which I would intend to use on FA as well since I love working this way) would you feel comfortable commissioning me?

Yes, but there are some people out that would take advantage of that. But personally I would feel comfortable doing that.

"	Do you feel that I pose any 'risk' to the community by taking commissions on a strict 'pay upon completion' basis and is there anything about that process that makes you uncomfortable?

The only risk I see is that the customer might not be willing to pay or cannot pay. It's very easy to let your money slip away sometimes and there's plenty of scumbags that think they can get away with not paying for a commission.

"	If you have already commissioned me, would you recommend me/my art to others?

I have not commissioned you but I always show you to my friends. Great art deserves to be recognized.

"	Do you feel that me being allowed back on FA would be of any benefit to the community?

I'm not sure about benefiting the community, it might make a lot of people happy and some upset. Overall I think it should be "does it make you happy" because no matter what, there's always going to be someone that bitches and someone that loves.

Anyway.
Good luck with everything.

LupineAssassin

10 years, 7 months ago

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You already know I'd love to see both of us back on FA. ^^ *hugs*

jmac32here

10 years, 7 months ago

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I personally do not see exactly why they won't let you on there.

But I digress, there have been talks of having ppl like me banned simply cuz I run a smaller community site.

My only concern with a pay on completion type commission structure is that there are furs out there that will get the commish, then fail to pay. If you have a workaround to such an issue.. than more power to ya.

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ jmac32here

Unfortunately, there is no workaround such an issue except to blacklist them from future commissions and warn others about what they did. It's a risk I'm willing to take though since so far, with the exception of a few trolls years ago, I haven't been stiffed on a single piece in the past 2.5 years.

jmac32here

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Kannos

That is great to know.

Mondeis

10 years, 7 months ago

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To be honest, with what I've heard of the situation, I don't think admin are even going to look at accepting you until that backlog is finished :< I think another thing people are worried about is if you get back on FA and start taking pay-upfront commissions again. But here we all know your current way of working is your favourite way, and that you absolutely refuse to take payment upfront. I personally don't see any risk to the commissioner, taking commissions in this way.

And just to butt into the comment above, I've mentioned this before but one way you can help lessen the risk of being ripped-off is to say "ok I'll take pay on completion commissions but you won't actually see the art until you've paid". That way if someone *does* rip you off, they still don't get their art (this is how I work if I take pay on completion commissions). I'm sure that'd be enough to deter some people. But from the sounds of it you haven't had much problem with that for a few years now :)

All I can say to the situation is keep on trucking! Keep doing what you're doing, try to get that backlog finished so they can't complain about anything, and I think eventually you will get there. Good luck!

tug

10 years, 7 months ago

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Since the main reason for getting back to FA would be to reach a wider audience, why not try other sites like DA, Weasyl or SoFurry ?

SwiftWindSpirit

10 years, 7 months ago

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It's up to you whether or not you want to try to state your case with the staff there who are at times trolls themselves. I'm really sorry you lost your client base there, I really am. But sadly you aren't the first or the last to be kicked out for a stupid reason. Personally you should just make another account and keep a low profile there as sad as it is. Once you get back you'll have every troll in the world on top of you making your experience there a bad one. But the reality is where else are you going to go? You can't make a name for yourself unless you bite the bullet and you accept facts of FA is just a place where you have to grow a spine or lay low. Either way, I wish you luck.

frankteller

10 years, 7 months ago

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It looks like you have been reinstated.

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ frankteller

No I haven't. The 'kannos' account is not mine. I don't know who it belongs to. :/

foxjump

10 years, 7 months ago

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I think getting back onto FA is a smart move. That's were a lot of the market is at the moment.

Payment upon completion is basically 'no-risk' for the commissioner but unfortunately there's a good chance you'll get screwed over more than a few times, which I know you know this. I think it would be perfectly reasonable to ask for a 10%-40% deposit up front to at least cover your preliminary work. You wouldn't have to do that with everyone. Just for commissioners you've never dealt with before or have no reputation yet. That is how most freelance contractors do it (including me).

Glaide

10 years, 7 months ago

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You know all my answers already. As for the benifiting the community? I dont think thats really a question that should be asked or even worried about.. Will you do BAD for the community? Certainly not!

On another note... I really want to say some words to some of the users posting in this journal... most of the negative stuff theyve mentioned is just stuff theyve read from third party sourses and have no base for the accusations.. just frustrating being an ex admin from the site is all..

Wishing you the best of luck to get back on!

Kannos

10 years, 7 months ago

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@ Glaide

The reason I asked that particular question is because someone on the FA Administration team had commented that the 'community has nothing to gain from me being let back on FA'. Thus, I included that question.

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