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RollerCoasterViper59

More stolen art

https://e621.net/post/show/360101/backless_gloves-boots... I don't know how it's possible, but yet again I had a post completely deleted from E-621 and replaced with an art theif's version of it... Guess people on E-621 really don't know how to ask do they :( to the original artist
Meraence
Meraence
I apologies people have to steal to get their way :(
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Added: 5 years, 3 months ago
 
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Me and a friend of mine have the same problem with a parasite on DA.
But we found a way to hurt her back.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
i JUST NEED HELP WITH THIS IDIOT... i WAS ALREADY TOLD BY SOMEONE WHOS DONE IT ALREADY THAT THEY'D STOP BUT NOW THIS STALKER WHO WAS MAD i CALLED OUT HER FRIENDS IS NOW POSTING MY COMMISSIONS AS HER OWN WITHOUT PERMISSION IT'S NOT RIGHT *sorry bout the caps just noticed it was on <3*
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Sadly not all sites are as strict as FA, IB and SF when it comes to stolen work.
If this person steals your work then you return the favor, just don't do anything here or on any site that can backfire on you.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
theres no point in talking to these people they approve of stolen art so... *sigh*
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Then do it to them, that made my troll think twice.
I tried to reason with them, report them to admin, tried everything and failed until I started to do back to them what they'd done to me.

Naturally they cried foul when they were on the receiving end, but were just as powerless to stop me as I'd been.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
problem is that the site approves of the larger version of pics but every commission or scrap of art I ever got was the smaller version or so they say. Since I can't find any larger version it'd be a waist of my time :(
Aurali
5 years, 3 months ago
We are working to resolve this with the poster, no one is claiming they have any ownership of the post. Just that a larger one was put up, someone thought permission was granted, It will be dealt with.
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
I hope the person that did that out of spite gets banned, because it wasn't a simple mistake but a form of attack aimed at RollerCoasterViper59 over something else.
The fact so many people believe its ok to post something that isn't theirs as long as they credit the owner is truly sicking, more so after the owner objects and they refuse to take it down.

The fact e621 hasn't been shut down for allowing this is really amazing.
Aurali
5 years, 3 months ago
e621 hasn't been shut down because as a service provider it has done no wrong. As long as we remove infringement in a timely manner we are in the clear. We /require/ permission gets asked from the legal source (usually the artist) before art gets posted, and anything that is found and removed is automatically demerited from the offenders account. We have many users who've lost the ability to post and are banned because they don't ask permission first, and we have hundreds (literally) of artists that have given us express permission to post on our site (we, the admins, personally asked). We can't double check what's not been posted legally, as with 1000+ new posts a day, it's impossible, and the law is on our side on this, same with your ISP is not legally required to double check if you aren't viewing porn that is against local and county laws. We don't claim fair use. We do more then what's legally required though, and make sure we give everyone a chance to give and return, and we really respect, and appreciate artists. e621 is very different then what it was years ago, and I hope in the future we can show you how much so. Thanks for being so patient about the issue.
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Well to be honest just asking the artist isn't always enough, if the piece was a gift or commission for someone else, or even featuring a character that belongs to someone else, then permission should be gained from both the artist and owner as both parties have a say in it.  

Either way the person behind this should be banned from the site as an example to others, it wasn't a simple mistake but a deliberate attack designed to hurt RollerCoasterViper59 by nothing more than a troll.


Anyway thanks for explaining things.

 
Aurali
5 years, 3 months ago
Small correction: In most jurisdictions, Legally, the artist is the owner of the piece, even if it has the other character's art in it. The commissioner or character owner or recipient doesn't have control unless specifically asked for. It's strange and feels backwards, I know. But it's there to protect the artist from unauthorized resellings of his art on profit.

I agree though, getting everyone's permission involved /should/ be the thing everyone does, but there is no way to enforce that. So we try to get permission before hand.
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Most sites respect this and will remove an artists work if it features a character owner by someone else and that person refuses permission.
FA, SF and this site have that rule.

As for the guilty party behind this they should be banned, he/she has stirred up enough drama and needs to be punished.
If nothing else it will restore a little confidence in e621 and put other trolls off using the site as a weapon to upset those they've fallen out with.
Aurali
5 years, 3 months ago
I can tell you from experience FA does not.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Only reason why I can second this is that last time I tried getting art removed from FA *because I'm Character Owner* FA sided with *the artist* because they drew it and I couldn't do anything because I felt they stole my money due to the fact that they came in all late saying I couldn't re-post their commission witch in my opinion since it's art I paid for with my character on it I could re-post it and 95% of the people I commission, other commissioners and other character owners agree but when I got my re-fund everything was good I guess
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
I can tell you from my experience, FA does as I reported a troll for doing this and she got a year long ban for her trouble (Probably helped my case she had trolled me and a friend for months and was on her last warning at the time).
Its only in the last few years Neer stopped caring and setting on useless children as admin, this is what made FA deteriorate so badly in the last few years .

The artist has rights as do the owners of any characters used, that person has the right to say how their used and even has the right to revoke permission whenever they want.
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
By the way E621 is a troll site and all the staff are crooked.
RollerCoasterViper59 got a year ban for asking the site to remove his stolen work, I hope something really bad happens to that admin.
IppikiOokami
5 years, 3 months ago
Uh, no he didn't. He got banned for cursing out the staff and harassing people, among countless other infractions.
https://e621.net/user_record?user_id=40330
Just look at his user record. How can you possibly defend this?
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Just because you don't like me doesn't mean you can base shit off of numbers... not to mention you don't even know half the story, she's a troll end of story and any type of hate you have towards me say it to my face
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Well if the staff had done their jobs in the first place rather than having to be shamed into it this wouldn't have happened.
Also Ratte is rude in those comments and in my experience you tend to get it back, the "I'm an admin and can be a dick and you have to take it with a smile" crap doesn't wash with me, as a number of FA mods found out the hard way.
If you kick a dog for no reason and the dog bites you to defend itself then you don't blame the dog, you blame the waste of space that kicked the dog in first place.
If the staff had dealt with the troll in the and respected other peoples work like they claim to, RollerCoasterViper59 wouldn't have felt the need the need to defend himself like this.

Also Neer only got away with his crap for so long before he and FA paid the price for it, the same thing could happen to e621 and the staff there.
One day they'll steal from the wrong person and it won't be a take down request he fires at the site.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
This I can agree on, I told them that this troll followed me out of spite since I told the last person to stop
They went and not only gave her the right to keep up the art but banned me for doing what I thought was right... cursing out the admins however was wrong but when an admin defends a troll there is a problem
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
I fully agree, some admins just love to push their luck.
I dealt with one a while back that would make a saint swear.
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
This is the piece in question:

https://e621.net/post/show/360101/backless_gloves-boots...

It's tagged appropriately, the artist is properly credited, and a link is provided to their gallery here on Inkbunny.  E6 has a policy of deleting smaller versions of images once a bigger version is uploaded; if you upload the full-sized version to begin with, the original isn't going to get taken down.  There's no sense keeping around multiple versions of an image, so the smaller one goes and the large one stays.

How any of this is 'art theft' is beyond me, considering the artist was credited for the work they did.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Nor me nor the original artist gave permission... giving credit without having permission is art theft and I'll tell you one thing I already told another admin the the fact that I originally posted is and someone else posted it giving them the copyright even though they gave credit is art theft because no one gave them permission to post the art to the site. So since my so called smaller version was deleted until the artist says its okay I don't want to see that piece of crap version up their either big or small
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
Nooo...uploading the piece, not tagging the artist as the correct one, and claiming it as your own is art theft.  Sort of like what you were doing with every piece you ever posted to the site.  You keep saying the word 'theft', I do not think that word means what you think it means.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Um... funny because every artist was posted in my art, thing is I posted my name only because I commissioned it and ever post with my name gave me the copyright to post it up as both their art and my characters were on it so yeah... but that's besides the point if art will keep being stolen with a bigger version without permission then I refuse to post any more art I get to the site
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
When you make an account on a website, and you agree to their terms, then you have to abide by their terms or you cannot use the site.  This is really, really simple and easy to understand stuff here, it's not some heavy legal jargon.

Also, I've sent Meraence a PM to ask for her permission to post the rest of her art.  I'm sure she'll see fit to allow her art to be reposted. :)
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Again me nor the artist said a bigger version could be posted so it's theft... stop defending art theives because if you notice the majority of my art is all related to my Maxamilion or the characters in my collection :/  other pics posted I'm awaiting approval of the artist or they just don't care but when art especially if it belongs to my collection like Jason-Alexander or Max I take high offense to unless the artist or I said and I quote "yes you can post a bigger version"
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
Well we'll see what she says, then.  From what I've seen, she's not going to be happy that you allowed the larger version to be posted...
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
not with me with the poster...  I did my part...
notmenotyou
5 years, 3 months ago
>I'll tell you one thing I already told another admin the the fact that I originally posted is and someone else posted it giving them the copyright

I need to butt in here, the uploader does not, in any way, shape or form, gain copyright to the things he uploads, the only people who have copyright about the work posted on e621.net are the commissioner and the artist the specific work in question, no one else.

Even as Munkelzahn or Corgi_bread uploaded the bigger version, YOU are still the commissioner and thus copyright holder of the characters in the picture and the artist is still the copyright owner the art itself, neither of them gain anything in terms of copyright to the artwork, they just gain a +1 to their Upload counter, nothing else.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
I'm still cross that they can do that and not have permission from me or the artist to post the bigger version
notmenotyou
5 years, 3 months ago
But why?

My own, personal opinion on the matter is simple, they do you a favor in finding the better version and posting it, that way you can get the better one too, if you wish so.

They aren't doing this to spite you or anyone else, they just want to help everyone else by looking, finding and posting the best version possible.
Sure, I'm always miffed if someone manages to track down something better than I posted, but I'm also grateful when they did; because better version!

The only real issue I see is if someone uploads a better version which is supposed to be either for sale or private, this version can then be taken down, by the copyright holder(s), it just takes a take down request to do so.
(And a bit of patience because Tsukaza [the admin who handles Take downs] needs to make sure the request is made by a copyright holder and not some random person.)

So, I don't know what exactly makes you angry, they just want the best for everyone, which is the best art one can find.
And out of the hundreds of artists or commissioners who gave their permission to e621 to host their artwork, you are the first I encounter to be angry about this particular issue.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
because my post was taken down with out me or the artist in question giving permission... I never had a post taken down b4 unless it was in bad quality or like this morning irrelevant to the site. but this here could've been avoided but nooo some random person who doesn't have permission from me or the artist and who I believe has been stalking me since the Munkelzahn incident when I told him not to unless he had permission and he agreed and I guess when he stopped doing it or at least with my images it angered cori_bread and she stalked my page ever since and I guess surfing the internet looking for bigger verions of my posts and she knows how I feel about this as much as Munkelzahn did yet she posted it anyways and that's why we're here now... she didn't have permission to post the art without my or the original artists consent and it infuriates me because one my post was taken down and I had to find out myself what happened, when i did I reported her and in return I got no valid response and now were on InkBunny because I refuse to post any more art to e-621 if it's going to in my opinion keep being stolen over and over again... my Maxamilion art will probably be posted to that site in the future just not by me... I'll let other people deal with that bigger post crap if this is going to be the result :(
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
I'm not sure where you're getting that I'm doing this out of some sort of spite, or that I'm trying to stalk you or harass you.  I found a bigger version of a post, on an artist's page that wasn't your own, and posted it to E6.  It's a coincidence and nothing more.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Wait you're corgi-bread? You son of a... *deep breath* if you are corgi-bread like I said you must ask permission to post the art you don't just go and do it :/ I posted a pic/journal telling everyone not to do this yet I still got bs as feed back and was completely ignored... II never though I'd see the day that a website would approve of art theft but today was the day and no matter how much credit you put on a pic I didn't say yes and the artist didn't say yes :/ you're lucky I don't go to her my self and tell her what you guys do
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
Your 'pic/journal' called out another user for following the rules.  You were lucky you didn't get banned for it.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
wow but you refuse to realize that he said he'd stop you didn't and the admins agreed... that's enough for me to say that E-621 is home for stolen art because again you don't ask especially when I said that it's not okay unless you ask... one day my entire gallery will be wiped clean because of bigger posts and ya know what it's not right and where does it all come back to oh yeah words you don't under stand
#1. ASK
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Sorry to butt in, you're wrong DigitalKindness.
If you could simply take someones work without consent and get away with it because you "Gave credit" then Disney wouldn't have their own legal department and sue the living crap out of those that attempt the same thing with them.

Nearly every reputable art site has rules about art not made by you, you need the owners permission and to give credit, also the owner has the right to revoke permission whenever they want.
If you read the rules on this site, FA and SF you would see this is the norm, only troll sites that answer to no one allow this kind of thing to happen, theft is one of the reasons why the government spies on people's online activities.
Don't believe what I'm saying about most sites dealing with this? Try to post something here you don't own or have the right to use and see how long it lasts or how long before you get a warning off the staff.

RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Thank You, at least someone here has a brain :3
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
I know the law and I always read the site rules before I upload anything, seems I'm the only one that bothers.

DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
The difference is that the person posting the piece isn't making money off of it, so your analogy to Disney isn't very apt.  In addition, posting your art to a public website, with no copyright marks or any notes that the art isn't to be reposted elsewhere, isn't a very good practice if you don't want your art to show up elsewhere.  And furthermore, we're talking furry art here, not an internationally-recognized intellectual property worth tens of billions of dollars.

Also, don't sit there and say that the government is surveying our internet usage because people are reposting furry porn.  That's utterly ridiculous.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Wrong...  regardless of a large company or small website *of witch e-621 is not* you must have permission from the artist or as an outsider the artist or commissioner/requester to post the bigger or smaller version of art on their page. If you don't have permission it's art theft end of story and if this were a legal matter most people on e-621 *me included because I'm a Timon fan* would all be in jail behind bars... only reason I'd probably be let go is because that artist didn't say much about it or doesn't care. Now sit there and continue to think that art theft with credit is still a legal jesture
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
Show me where it says all the dribble you just produced.  Show where, referring specifically to art produced and displayed on a public website, by someone who holds no copyrights to said art or characters, is illegal to post elsewhere.  I really, really want you to give me sources and proof for your rant.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
You don't see my point mean you're THAT slow... copyright or not a person took the time out to draw the pic so it's in copyright to them because they drew it and me or who ever else because's my or their character. So posting pic and nothing on it belongs to you there is a problem
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
One it doesn't matter if the person is making money on it or not, theft is theft and if they tried the same trick here or any of the  reputable sites they would get banned.
Two it doesn't matter if its public or not, if you're so sure try it here, take the same picture and post it to your gallery.
As soon as the admin find out you don't own it or have permission they'll take down and give you a warning.
Three furry art or not its still belongs to someone and that isn't the person that posted it.

And lastly I never said because of furry porn, I said because of the theft, music, videos, games, art, and so on.
The growing number of online theft and other illegal activities is why the government is getting away with reading our emails and spying on us.  
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
I don't think you understand what the term 'properly credited' means.  I don't think either of you know what the term 'theft' means.  I still cannot believe that it's possible for the both of you to be so woefully ignorant of the law, and how things work, and still be able to properly function in society.  Whatever you're smoking, I want some, and whatever gumdrop land of make-believe you live in, I'd love to visit sometime.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
okay I want you to do something for me.. draw something then let me post the larger version okay ;) I promise to give you credit and everything...
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
Sure thing! Gimme a minute and it's all yours.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
better example:
Person 1: takes and posts a bigger version of someone art without any permission or consent and leave tags including the artist's tag
Person 2: asks the commissioner or artist to do any thing b4 doing everything person 1 did
the person more in the right is person 2 because they did a legal thing called getting permission first.
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Credited doesn't equal Jack sh*t if it was taken without permission and the owner objects.
Try it here, see how long it takes the admin to act.

If you knew anything of the law you would understand this.
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
It's called Fair Use darlin', look it up.
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
Its called stealing, "The act of taking something that doesn't belong to you without the owners consent"
Why don't you take something at random from this site and post it to you own gallery without the owner knowing?

You won't because you know I'm right and you'll get banned.


I rest my case.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
exactly...
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
" sp wrote:
Its called stealing, "The act of taking something that doesn't belong to you without the owners consent"
Why don't you take something at random from this site and post it to you own gallery without the owner knowing?


You keep saying this because you have absolutely nothing to back up your claims.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
because the artist and or the commissioner definately want anyone to post art to that site right?
sp
sp
5 years, 3 months ago
I believe DigitalKindness to be a troll, you might be best to block him.
Clearly he either has zero understanding of the way things work, or just looking for a fight.
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=453345

There you go kid, do whatever you want with it.  Careful...he's a deadly carrot with a penchant for chain smoking and loose women.

Also, there you go again with your laughable understanding of how the law works.
Pepperthefox
5 years, 3 months ago
I'm confused about what happened.  
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
the dude above supports a site that steals art then uses bogus and false claims to back it up
Pepperthefox
5 years, 3 months ago
Char
5 years, 3 months ago
The issue that you're running into is that you essentially already gave permission for the artwork to be hosted on e621 by uploading it there yourself. The artist has also posted a much larger version of the image online themselves, here on IB. The facts are that 1) e621 was given permission to host the artwork in question (by you, cause you uploaded it), and 2) the larger version of the image is also allowed to be online and publicly available, cause the artist themselves posted it on IB. Effectively what you're saying is "e621 can host this small version of the file but not this large version that EVERYONE CAN GET ANYWAYS except they have to figure out that 1) there is a larger version available elsewhere, and 2) they have to figure out how to get the larger version. Or the larger version could just be on e621 to begin with instead of putting your own fans/viewers through bullshit just because you want it that way.

And believe me, I have a decent working understanding of copyright law as far as how it usually applies to the furry fandom (I was e621's lead admin for two and a half years). Yes, e621 needs the permission of artists/character-owners to host their artwork. That was seemingly implied when you uploaded the artwork yourself to begin with. It's EXTREMELY common that smaller versions of artwork are accidentally/unknowingly uploaded instead of larger versions that are also publicly available, especially from sites like IB where the largest version isn't presented to you immediately (you have to click on "Max Preview", something a lot of people may not notice). This is why replacing smaller versions with larger versions has become such a routine task at e621, and why it was assumed that you'd have no problem with the larger version of the image being on the site, so users don't have to go to a completely different site to get it (often requiring registering a user account on the other sites as well just to get the larger image).

Again, yes, permission is needed to upload the artwork, but the fact that the character owner himself uploaded it is usually a pretty clear indication that permission is given. But this control that you're wanting to exert over which particular SIZE of the image is uploaded is what's giving you so much trouble, because it seems senseless. All you seem to be doing is trying to force people to go to one particular site if they want to see a higher quality version of an image that you've already given e621.net permisson to host. Why the extra steps? Why put your own fans/viewers in a situation where they're forced to use/register/figure-out/ another site if you're already allowing them to view the picture on a different site? Keep in mind that e621.net gets far, FAR more traffic than InkBunny does. There's a reason why the picture in question has 672 views on e621.net in less than a day, yet it has 39 views in over THREE MONTHS on the artist's official account here on IB.

Also, unless the artist has actually transferred copyright of the image itself to you, you have no legal say in which size of the image is used anywhere at all. You hold a copyright claim to the character itself, and therefore can stipulate which websites your character appears on, but they don't need your permission to use a larger size of the same image if you've already given permission for the image to appear at all. The artist is the one that has final say in that, though yes you could just retract permission to host the artwork entirely and it'd still have to be taken down. (the point is, commissioning artwork doesn't mean you automatically "own" the artwork).
Char
5 years, 3 months ago
(continued from above, ran out of characters)
In conclusion: yes, in the strictest legal sense, permission should have been asked for from the artist for uploading the larger image. The fact that this didn't happen is a result of 1) you already uploading the art yourself to e621, indicating that it's allowed to be hosted there, and 2) the artist posting the larger version themselves publicly to IB, indicating that they're ok with people having the larger version. If you put 2 and 2 together, you'd normally assume that the larger version could then also exist on e621.net. The fact that this is apparently not the case is why you've been receiving so much flak for making such a big deal over it.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
here are you're assumptions because I read your entire claim and they are: you are wanting the smaller version of a pic on a site because the person who has the larger version doesn't have permission and 2 of 2 you own the legal coopyright to the character in question but not the art.. heres where I come in:

1. I don't mind that the art is uploaded to E-621 in a larger format just as long as some one asks me or the person who drew it however the person who uploaded it has stalked me ever since I told her off about her friend doing it so that's infringment and stalking and she should be banned want her name it's corgi_bread she even wrote some stern comments one one or two posts of mine. I want it taken down and even filed a take down request because she's one of the people who damn sure doesn't have permission to post the art to the page since she's clearly a troll.
2. I have copyright to the character and the art without papers and here is how when an artist says it's okay for you to take a pic of theirs they drew for you and do as you please automatically with out legal documentation they both share the art so all this you can't do a take down request or even begin to bitch about the post unless you drew it is automatic bullshit because I know where my groud stands in this matter and one of the mods currently handling the take down request agrees with me.
In conclusion so far as I see it when and hopefully it does get taken down then I'll have proved you and my troll wrong so that's all I must say on the matter
notmenotyou
5 years, 3 months ago
Just a heads up on this, Char is correct on the law on this matter, we will simply do this because of courtesy towards you, not because the law tells or forces us to.
However, the law is like this because the server resides in Phoenix, somewhere in the USA, if the server would be in (just for example) Germany, you would be correct and Char would be wrong, yet, this isn't the case as e621.net only answers to the law in Phoenix, US.

More importantly, corgi_bread did nothing that goes against our rules, so it will be very unlikely that he'll be banned for any of this.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
so he's just going to keep stalking my posts and it's okay... ghot it
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
Nobody's stalking your posts ffs.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Then what do you call it... mad because I went off to your friend about it tyhat said person does it themself mind you to the same person even though I said to ask... sounds like stalking to me :/
DigitalKindness
5 years, 3 months ago
I uploaded a larger version of an existing image to an art repository.  You're not WORTH stalking.  I think you're vastly overestimating how important you are to other people.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
So you're going to sit there and pretend after I said not to you disrespecting me and doing what you wanted with my/ the artists post without permission after your friend said to stop suddenly isn't stalking dude I find it non-coincidental that you not only uploaded a post without asking but you left some crude comments on yet another post I had :/ but you're not stalking me though... getting the admins to ban me because you now I'm right and won't admit it isn't stalking posting a crude comment on a post I had from a friend mind you isn't stalking and finally uploading a post without permission to I'm guessing avenge your friend because he said he wouldn't do it to me any more isn't stalking... you're a stalker and a troll and it sicken me that people take your side... do me a favor post no more of my art ment for me from other artists leave me alone and stop stalking me okay!!!
Char
5 years, 3 months ago
Ok, look, I was the lead admin of the site. I was the one that asked e621's developer(s) to create the takedown system that you used to submit your takedown request. I was the one that came up with e621's takedown request policy, all of it (meaning I'm also the one that decided character-owners would be allowed to submit takedown requests in the first place). I was the one that handled virtually every single takedown request ever since I became lead admin in 2010. Your idea that I'm somehow against allowing you or any other character owner to file takedown requests is... just completely, utterly wrong.

And again, as I said, "UNLESS THE ARTIST HAS TRANSFERRED COPYRIGHT TO YOU", you don't automatically get claim to the artwork itself, only your own character. This means that if I edited the piece and replaced your character with someone else, you would have absolutely NO say in how the artwork was used at that point, only the artist would (again, unless the artist has clearly stated to you that they're transferring copyright of the image to you. This is information that you would be required to provide evidence of if you ever claimed to own the artwork itself.). If an artists transfers copyright of a piece to you, you then have the legal ability to PROFIT off of the artwork without their consent; this is why artists (who have any clue about copyright) typically don't automatically transfer copyright to a commissioner.

And all that my previous comments on this journal were trying to do was enlighten you as to what the situation appeared to be from e621's side of things, and why there was a situation in the first place (by explaining that it's site policy to replace smaller or lower quality versions of artwork with higher quality versions). You seemed very confused as to what was going on at the time and assuming that people were just trying to troll you. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you thought I was fighting you too when I was simply trying to explain what was happening.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Well since I don't have papers you're kinda right but they have given me verbal agreement I am the only one to use the art besides the artist so I did file a takedown request that went accordingly, however I'm still banned this time for a big disagreement I had with another Admin who by the way is very ignorant to talk to... not one word he said to me was standable and only because he's claiming that my bully is infact not a troll but I can call bull because they left crude comments on some of my posts only after I went to their friend about posting my posts to the site without permission then after wards what does she do does the same thing and 80% of the admins back her up say she's not a troll says that her posting pics without permission is legal *but nor me nor the artist gave her permission* then ban me because I'm trying to have a say so in the fact that she's doing this out of spite and them siding with her is wrong and they should know it. So to you to any other admins if I came off as wrong in any way I apologise except to one over zealous admin for anything I've done as a result of her wrong doings.
e621RainbowDash
5 years, 3 months ago
Hello, this is the e621 administrator Rainbow Dash. I'd really like to find a resolution to this situation in a civil way so that we can all get what we want and can avoid this in the future.

Simply put, what do you want us to do? What exactly are you disagreeing with that we've already done?
I understand the situation thus far but I'm not sure what you want us to do, or not do
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
Let me start by saying that someone posted art to E621 and I told them not to do it again because the original small version that got deleted was mine and we had an agreement since then... Corgi_bread aka
DigitalKindness
DigitalKindness
on IB got her tits in a frit and posted crude comments on my posts then out of spite mind you uploaded the bigger version of an old post knowing if I went to the admins they'd side wither her because it's legal but no one nor I nor the artist gave her permission to post it. I'm glad it since been deleted, but I'm still banned from the site because of another ignorant admin whom at this post I see no reason to talk to as he doesn't listen to me any ways. all I wanted to do is post art made by or for me to the site and the bigger version rule gets in the way of that... this is why I spoke to several admins about it to get it resolved not just that but that I was banned and my troll scott free

[Edit] I was given a link saying she had permission but I'm glad it's down because she did it in spite just sayin...
e621RainbowDash
5 years, 3 months ago
Alright, well, let's put corgi aside for now and just focus on the art itself. What is wrong with posting the larger resolution version if the artist says it's okay? If the artist says that he/she only wants the smaller one hosted, we will respect that and only host that version, but if we get permission to host the bigger version, would you be alright with it being hosted? If the artist prefers only you post the higher resolution versions, we can certainly try to work something out.

We simply want our posts to be in the highest resolution available.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
I honestly was told nothing until late that Corgi had been granted permission to post the art to the site but what the artist doesn't know is that this was a spite game... go to
Meraence
Meraence
page right now.... all those pictures that
DigitalKindness
DigitalKindness
has to choose from to post to the site for permission so why the hell does she pic the one I've commission *excuse the language* you can't leave crude comments on other posts I had then say oh it's coincidence I uploaded this pic to the site but you had so many others you could've uploaded really. Now as I've said b4 I have no problem with a better quality version as long as you ask witch she did but out of all those pics she choose my post tell me there's nothing wrong with that picture.
e621RainbowDash
5 years, 3 months ago
Well first off, corgi is a male, not that it matters but I mention it since I will be referring to him as a male.

Now, he had asked the artist and the artist had given him permission. Did he do it to spite you? We have no way of knowing if he was trying to spite you or just trying to get the highest resolution available. Either way, I don't think it was theft. He was just doing our routine of posting higher resolution images.
RollerCoasterViper59
5 years, 3 months ago
you must've never seen the comments he left on previous posts of mine so this has been happening b4 this inncodent... I told her friend to stop he did then corgi jumps in all big and mad posting crude comments and things then on top of things he went to the artist mind you over 100+ pics to choose from and she chooses my commission to replace with a bigger version... if that's not trolling I don't know what is...
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