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Eiko

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I own more than one. I follow all applicable laws on the federal, state, and county level. I don't believe there needs to be any more regulation on the firearm market. I can go WAY more into detail, provide case studies, etc. You can pick apart my English or change the argument into one of developmental psychology, but my argument will remain the same. Firearms, much like vehicles or kitchen knives, are a tool. They can be used. They can be abused. But the fault lies with the user of the tool (or in cases of theft by children or the mentally incompetent, the owner of the tool); not the manufacturer or the government. Friends of mine (I don't want to get racist here, but primarily friends in Europe) don't agree with my viewpoints. That's fine. If you disagree with me that strongly, simply don't discuss it with me. I'm an adult. My views are based on years of personal experience along with some of my own research. If you can't agree to disagree with me, and want to harass me with an hours long argument; you will be risking our friendship. I don't need the dramatics. My work is stressful enough.

Love, Eiko

(If comments get unruly or longwinded, I will remove or lock comments.)
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Added: 5 years, 6 months ago
 
FoxiLumine
5 years, 6 months ago
Ya know, I don't really understand why there needs to be any argument on this subject at all. The debate has already been done over and over again; the data among all sides of the table are there; the test cases of firearms availability around the world are there. The answer is available, but so many people refuse to look.
Eiko
5 years, 6 months ago
Well there is contradictory studies, bias numbers, and inevitably differing viewpoints (Neither of which are necessarily "wrong"; different strokes for different folks. The ones that piss me off are the people who think that people they barely know in a country they've never set foot in need to change their laws and lives to conform). I've talked to you in more detail about the subject, but be advised there are many people who have done a lot of homework that disagree with you as well as the ones who agree with you. :p
FoxiLumine
5 years, 6 months ago
I am aware that there are those that study the statistics and do their homework. There just seems to be too many people that put their blinders on when they look over the data with the particular parts of it they don't like.
kemosabe
5 years, 6 months ago
:D  Always nice to see people online who aren't megaphones for the media a particular political party.  

I'm a libertarian, and TBH, there's parts of Libertarianism that i don't completely agree with, but still it's the closest thing i can find.
RileyHyena
5 years, 6 months ago
Yeah just gonna keep my guns safe and my mouth shut, people don't like it boo on them otherwise they're all okay.
Shokuji
5 years, 6 months ago
Guns for self-defense & hunting I'm perfectly fine with. But the argument that I hear most of the time is that the citizens need to arm themselves to protect themselves against tyrannical government(s). Perhaps in colonial days when we had single-shot weapons that could be possible, but today our weapons would hard stop any government force (plus they could just drone strike us which our meager weapons would do nothing against).

We're living in a new age, the only way to protect ourselves from tyranny is to be active in our democracy. Elect the right mayors, governors, representatives, senators, presidents, etc. But before we can possibly do that we really need a lot of political reform in general. All 10 (or so) political parties need equal representation so 'we the people' can elect the right person that really has our country's & countrymen's best interests in mind. We also need to remove the 'financial influences' found in politics that only help out special interest groups and leave the regular people in a worse situation.

One argument against guns that's hard to counter is they make killing people too easy. I realize that's what they're designed for (killing things), but even low caliber weapons are hard to use in a non-lethal way. There are far too many gun-happy people out there who do not respect the guns they use (or the laws on when/how to use them). I remember recently there was a nationwide 'gun rally' of sorts where people gathered together in several places across the USA to rally up support for guns (they were basically glorified gun trade shows). I think about 5 people were (accidentally) shot at those rallies (by people who consider themselves gun enthusiasts & know how to handle weapons).

This whole topic is very sensitive, say 'gun control' and people go nuts. I'm in favor of 'gun safety & education', just like how people are required to take driving courses & tests to prove they're not a hazard to others before they can drive around on their own I'd like something similar to happen with guns. I don't mind if people have guns on them, I'd just feel better knowing they knew how to shoot it properly and were accurate enough to their intended target rather than hit an innocent bystander.
Eiko
5 years, 6 months ago
I agree. One man with a $200 firearm isn't going to do anything significant against a world military power. That would be ridiculous. On your next argument though... a Lincoln Towncar makes killing people easier. Nobody is on a rampage to ban all cars. Cars aren't DESIGNED to kill people? Well most of the guns that ordinary citizens can afford and legally acquire aren't designed to be highly efficient murder weapons. And people can own a car or a firearm without a license; but if you want to legally leave your private property with either, you basically need to educate yourself in order to acquire a permit of some sort.
Shokuji
5 years, 6 months ago
" On your next argument though... a Lincoln Towncar makes killing people easier. Nobody is on a rampage to ban all cars.
That's because there's a licensing process that includes theoretical and practical exams that at least shows they have the ability to keep the car on the road and not kill people. That's not the case when it comes to guns, you need a license to carry a consealed weapon but you can open carry w/o anything last I check (for WA).
" Cars aren't DESIGNED to kill people? Well most of the guns that ordinary citizens can afford and legally acquire aren't designed to be highly efficient murder weapons.
Civilian guns may not be designed to be efficient murder weapons but they're certainly better at causing harm from a distance. You can't use a car and kill someone at 100 yards, you'd have to be right on top of them (literally). Compare a car to a knife, sure, but a gun doesn't quite work out here, imo. ^^;

" And people can own a car or a firearm without a license; but if you want to legally leave your private property with either, you basically need to educate yourself in order to acquire a permit of some sort.
I'm not quite sure about that, again here in WA you can open-carry w/o much of anything (last time I checked). I know that may not be the same everywhere, but I'm not familiar with laws outside of my state. x3

In any case, I just don't want to be accidentally shot by someone with a gun. I'm perfectly fine with people having them, in fact I feel safer knowing people around me have guns because it's less likely that a criminal is going to try and rob any of us. I just want people with guns to be pretty good & careful with them. That's it, really.

That said... [huuuuugs] =3
Eiko
5 years, 6 months ago
Open carry is illegal in Florida, so I suppose the argument is a little different. Even with a concealed carry permit, you cannot open carry here. Therefore, the ONLY way to legally carry a firearm outside of your home or car, an extension of your home, is a permit which requires you to take a course. (But you can openly carry most any non-firearm as long as it's not prohibited by federal law.) Also, have you tried to shoot at a target 100 yards away? It's not something you can just decide to do on a whim. The person would need to have a moderate level of experience and a weapon that can handle it. Even then, you're talking about one or two people at a time getting hurt. A flick of the wrist at 80mph can risk the lives of a few families. And the last part, I agree with too. ^^ I never even applied for my permit. Both of my parents carry, and I would lose my job for being caught with a gun at work. If someone else has the balls to risk their lives, I would rather not put a target on myself. I'm not one of those people that thinks firearms should be TOTALLY deregulated, but I don't think we need any more regulations (in my area at least) than what already exist on the books. It would also be nice to see some of the regulations ease up in other areas where close friends of mine live in fear of criminals because they don't have anything close to equal in force to defend themselves (by which I mean kill the other guy first, obviously). x3 You've got me writing up long ass letters, Sho. Didn't I say not to do that? lol
Shokuji
5 years, 6 months ago
I sowwy~ X3 But it was fun chatting with you anyways. =3
Gobby
5 years, 6 months ago
Do you think that there are any weapons/tool that are just too dangerous to own? I ask because everybody has a different viewpoint, and it's interesting to see where the limits are for people.
Eiko
5 years, 6 months ago
It varies by person and situation. A child probably shouldn't be behind the wheel of a vehicle unattended. An uneducated person probably shouldn't be handling dangerously acidic chemicals. On the other hand, I think every small business owner in a bad neighborhood should own a firearm if they are willing to follow the appropriate laws and acquire the basic knowledge taught in most firearm safety courses.
Gobby
5 years, 6 months ago
That's a perfectly reasonable stance. Let's keep it interesting. Imagine a series of weapons, the first killing just one living thing and the last killing everything on the planet. At what point does it become unreasonable for someone (you, for example) to own that weapon?
hammse
5 years, 6 months ago
I like how you present your point so with strongly keeping the possibility of "agreeing to disagree" outcome in mind, Id like to try my very first thought I had to that:

ability implies interest.

mhh? ;3

(I also wouldnt mind being pointed elsewhere or something is thats a regular issue)
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