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Kupok

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I've been trying for the longest time to pinpoint just what was bothering me about the strong rise of "feminist" culture in gaming and internet culture. I mean, I'm pretty gay, so it really shouldn't affect me right?

It's not the pursuit of power. Pursuing power is.. pure in a way. to me. Every being should seek to both gain and understand. The feminist movement is not seeking equality with males, but to have power over males. And that does not bug me. In a way, females have always had a subtle hold over males.

It's not the fanaticism in which it is pursued. Mountains do not move  in a man's lifespan through subtle means. It takes revolution, and fanaticism, to shout the mountains aside. It is easy to forget that a short time ago, the idea of a colored man voting was considered fanatical.

It's not the idea of strong women. Samus is a strong woman, And her appeal to me isn't "sexy." Oprah is a strong woman, who can shift politics through her word alone. No, woman in power has no more affect on me then a man, a dog, or a cup of tea in power.

Then I realized. It hit me. One of the goals of this new-age "feminist" movement is the restriction of sexuality. I'll share an exchange.

* What about gay porn?
* It hurts women, too.
* How? How can it possibly hurt women? It's males, shot for the pleasure of males.
* It promotes porn, It promotes an environment of sexuality, and that is not the kind of environment woman are comfortable with.
( A name was removed and some spelling errors were corrected. Two words were swapped with synonyms to protect anonymity. If this exchange is with you, please do not reveal it as with you.)

And while that exchange is anecdotal evidence, there is.. quite a bit that suggest the new feminist movement desires a restriction of sexuality. Re-read some of the feminist articals in the failure we call "Game Journalism" and take a good look. It's disturbing.. the movement as it has been has always been disturbing to me, of course, but now that I can pinpoint why it is, I am not sure if it eases or embiggins* my disturbance at the movement.

I want it to end, because it really is having an affect on the decisions in games today. But it won't end. It has begun, and has gained momentum. It is gaining hits on blogs and news sites, bringing in advertising money. It is a loud voice among the scattered "gaming" culture and one of the few voices that executives with heads in the ass can hear through the flesh of their colon.

It won't end, and there is nothing we can do to end it, because of the nature of the problem. Se we will simply wait for this to blow over, to have it's synthesis, and then continue on with life. Of course.. independents and modders will always have the truest power over gaming.

* Remember when the Simpsons was good?
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Added: 5 years, 6 months ago
 
Yiffox
5 years, 6 months ago
rule no 1 there are no women on the netz  XD
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
http://tanuki.kitsunet.net/NoGirls.png

This said to a girl who said "There ARE girls on the internet. I am a girl on the internet, what do you think of that boys?"
Alfador
5 years, 6 months ago
If you follow that logic, there are also no boys on the internet. Only people, generic and sexless.
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
I agree with that actually. We are ideas on the internet. We are concepts, and energy, here in this space.

I like to wear a penis though :) And quite often in certain locations, I am the very concept of Penis. Inside you.
Yiffox
5 years, 6 months ago
so you're en energy peen?
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
zap ;)
Flygon
5 years, 6 months ago
Of the females I speak to, they're disgusted by these sort of feminists.

This sort of bizarre irony also hits upon other organizations, surely as you know...

A friend of mine, for example (yay, more anonymity), considers herself to be a female, but she'd also prefer to keep the male body that she currently has. This has the effect of ostracizing her from both the normal Finnish publicly... and bizarrely, even more severely from Finnish LGBT groups.

It just makes no fucking sense.
Yiffox
5 years, 6 months ago
I totally don't understand transgender people.  I am male because I have male bits.  I am me however.  Sides from my own feelings, I dont know what male 'feels' like or 'female' as I have no experience other than my own.  So it's odd for me that people think their gender is wrong.  If they are male and think they are female, how do they know what female is when they have only their own experience to judge off of....that would be like me going I dont feel like I'm human, I feel like a turtle, when in reality I have no idea what a turtle feels like.  I can only conclude its all messed up ideas in their own head?  
Flygon
5 years, 6 months ago
It's difficult to explain. Let's put it like that.
Yiffox
5 years, 6 months ago
(i want to express I'n not criticizing them) just logically it doesn't make sense.  It would be like me saying, I don't feel like me, I feel like you.  Well there's no way for me to actually know what you feel like.  So what I am saying is I feel like what I imagine you feel like.  But this is still in my head.  and frankly I can't imagine someone wanting to chop their bits off
Toksyuryel
5 years, 6 months ago
It's related to genetics and the biological processes that occur while in the womb. Various hormones are responsible for telling the developing body and mind whether it's supposed to be male or female, and sometimes these don't work right and the body will receive one set of instructions while the mind receives the entirely opposite set. Sometimes there will even be a mix of both sets of instructions which result in even weirder situations, which is why "gender" is not a binary thing.
Yiffox
5 years, 6 months ago
yes, but how would one know anything is different than anyone else....all that one really knows is themselves...take for instance someone color blind. if you call that green and its a shade of grey to me, how would I know (ignoring tests that normal sighted people can see)  to that person the color would be normal....so if your hormones were wacked, how would you tell something is not right, do you get what I'm saying?
Toksyuryel
5 years, 6 months ago
Because the brain is expecting a certain kind of body shape with certain parts and freaks the fuck out when it doesn't find it. It's simply not the case that you "only know yourself" because a lot of things are actually known to your brain and encoded within your DNA. People afflicted by this condition feel very uncomfortable in their bodies because the brain is constantly being bothered by being inside of what it believes to be the "wrong" body. It's not comparable to things like colors at all.
Toksyuryel
5 years, 6 months ago
There's a lot of people out there who claim to be feminists but aren't actually feminists. The term "feminazi" has been gaining ground to refer to these "fake feminists" who generally behave as you describe- militant and with a desire not for equality but to reverse the current situation so they are the ones with all the power. Real feminists hate them quite a lot both for what they stand for and just for the damage they do to their name. Genuine feminism is indeed about simple equality- the idea that a person's gender or sex should mean nothing more than what sort of pronoun to use and who might find themselves attracted to them.
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
A new term must be used. When one attaches a WWII reference to anything, The public at large immediately discards the person and any valid point they have made.

We also cannot focus on the idea of a "Genuine" feminist. It is unfortunate, But when many people who call themselves "X" are viewed by an outsider, it is the loudest of of those people who are seen and noticed first. Those "genuine" feminists you speak of must become radical and loud to even be noticed, but they will not, and cannot- The very nature of their message and desire is not at it's core, radical.
Toksyuryel
5 years, 6 months ago
Real life sure sucks don't it?
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
There are things about my life to complain about, of course. Perfection is an unrealistic goal. However, on the whole, My life is rather enjoyable. I have a job that not only provides an income, but keeps my body active- like being paid to go to the gym in a way. My job also provides a lot of social interaction. I have a loving relationship with two wondrous and uniquely challenging people.

I feel that the perception of "life sucks" is simply an excuse not to act or speak out. "My apartment has roaches. Well life sucks like that." It is easier to say "Life Sucks" then to legally compel your landlord to fix it. "My boss just assigned me a triple shift. Well ife sucks like that." Again, easier to just trudge on, rather then to forcefully complain to your boss.

The "big picture" of things is often depressing as well. Corporations are in control, Everything you type is monitored somewhere, there is no privacy, and polititions are ran by money rather then good intentions. These things are true, and it makes individuals like you and I feel helpless, perhaps even frightened. And so we slump into a mindset of "Life sucks."

"Life Sucks. We shouldn't even bother to improve ourselves."

Nothing could be further from the truth. Life is a wondrous gift. There are wonders and mysteries all the time. I will spare you the #yolo shpeal of living life to the fullest through. One does not even really need to do that. But it takes effort. It takes effort and time to improve ourselves, through cooking for ourselves and wiggling more. To find friends and partners, not just online, but in real life.

And Risk.

No. Life does not suck. I have lived through terrible times. But my life has only improved since I decided to take responsibility and control for myself.
Toksyuryel
5 years, 6 months ago
I feel like you were responding to something I didn't actually say, but I don't really disagree with any of what you said there so I won't press it.
PsyChuan
5 years, 6 months ago
Don't you understand? A womyn's sexuality is liberating and empowering, but all of teh menz sexuality is problematic and oppressive!
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
I'm cool with the first part. There's a nice rabbit lady living near me I would, will, and do call a "stud" for her liberal sexual behavior. It's not a bad thing to enjoy sex, and a good fuck should make you feel powerful!

But it should make you both feel powerful, yeah? So that you two, no matter the gender that you two (or three or ten) are, after some good ol' tantric explosions, can say to the world "Shit Yeah! Life is awesome, lets go kick ass!"

 So yeah, I agree with the sarcasm in the second part =w=
PsyChuan
5 years, 6 months ago
It was mostly pointing out the ridiculous double standard.
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
An easy task ^v^
Yiffox
5 years, 6 months ago
there's an interesting new theory arising in some christian cultures that I've seen on the webs.  The idea that pre-flood the angels messed around with our DNA to produce humans in their own image rather than gods, aka the nephilim, or cannabalistic giants.  (they also messed around with the DNA of animals too, producing fiercer creatures) so the reason for the flood was to destroy these things or else all flesh on the earth would be consumed.  Now they either survived or some of their genes survived via Ham, so that giants reappeared on the earth, namely in crete and palestine.  The genocide of canaan by the israelites was to get rid of these giants.  And for thousands of years there was a battle between humans and these 7-9 foot giants.  It's kinda suppressed knowledge that there were giants in north america before the indians, the mound builders, and many giant skeletons have been excavated from the mounds.  One theory based on the tools they used is that they crossed the ice packs across the northern atlantic and arrived in north america around 12,000 BC.  The Indians basically killed all of them (the human-giant war continued) and described them as red haired cannabalistic giants.  <--when I first heard about it, I thought this was entirely made up, but then I searched and yes they have found giant skeletons and near to where I live too and I wonder why this isn't more widely known.

besides all that...the purpose of these giants was to mess with "god's plan" for his creations to be fruitful and multiply.  
It is interesting that today there is much emphasis on stopping children from being born, from being gay, to birth control, to the overpopulation mythos, and yes feminism, which has always been a nutso movement

The old school feminist, from the early 1900's believed suicide was the ultimate act of feminism, as it proved you have control over your body.  See the novel the awakening is which this chick abandons her family for a fling, then he dumps her, she has another fling and when the first man leaves her totally, she kills herself by drowning.  When I read this as a teen, I was like WTF
axlegear
5 years, 6 months ago
Humans.  No matter how much work they put into it, and how many masks they wear, the truth of the matter is that they simply hurt themselves.

Nihilism is nature's truest lie.
normaltype
5 years, 6 months ago
It won't end because it needs to happen. People twisting words is always something that needs to be dealt with, but the fact is that women as a whole need a big movement for respect. You have to look beyond whatever spiritual and furry people you usually deal with, and into the average social world of how women are treated. It is currently okay in many workplaces and social gatherings for a man to sexually harass a woman against her will, verbally and sometimes physically, by virtue of every other man there being completely fine with it.

It's not restriction of sexuality. It's reigning it in and attempting to teach respect to the many, many men who are overtly sharing it with women against their will because 'it's natural, and my right as a man'. Given that some communities are highly, extremely sexual, I can understand how one might be out of touch with how the average person does not want to be objectified by those around them. However, you don't understand what the people you're talking about go through, and should choose your words carefully in that case.
Kupok
5 years, 6 months ago
I am glad to hear at least one opposing voice, haha
Although it's less a voice of opposition and a voice of reason.

The movement, at it's core, is about respect. And it's core is something I respect.
It is unfortunate, that it is not the core that people see. It is not the core that gets expressed, that gets media attention. It is the fringe.
normaltype
5 years, 6 months ago
People will always want to pervert every side of a big issue. The only thing that can be counted on is that the message reaches more ears, and it's up to those who understand what it's about to put it into perspective for people who are drawn in by the fringe. Turn the perversions into a positive, so to speak.

It's unfortunately difficult, but it's the way of things when so many people have their agendas. Despite that, this movement is the only thing truly attempting to make the average life of a woman better and less filled with accepted abuse, so it is important no matter what extras are tacked on.
Stumpycoon
5 years, 6 months ago
I meet way too many sexist women who use feminism as a defence for their sexism.  If there's anything good in feminism, then the non-sexist feminists should be the ones trying to reign in the ones that make feminism synonymous with female-supremacists.  

Because IF feminism is about gender equality, why does the feminist movement condone and allow people to openly teach and practice hatred of men in the name of feminism?  It just doesn't add up.

And while many feminists will run around yelling at anyone saying "lots of feminists tell me they hate men" they shouldn't be telling people on the receiving end of the sexism to stop criticising feminists, they should be trying to stop the sexism being done in the name of feminism.

The direct correlation is the catholic pedophile priests.  No, not all priests are pedophiles.  Yes, the priesthood protects and supports the pedophile priests.  Yes the priesthood attacks anyone who criticises their inaction on the pedophilia problem.  

Similarly with feminism, No, not all feminists are man-hating female-supremacists.  Yes, the feminism movement protects and supports the man-hating type of feminists.  Yes, the feminist movement attacks anyone who criticises their inaction on sexism in the name of feminism (as long as it's against males).

If feminists don't want to be seen as sexist and detrimental to the cause of gender equality...they need to get their own house in order.
MaDrow
5 years, 6 months ago
I think it is because Internet and PC(-gaming) isn't for the boys anymore. Businessmen discovered that there could be more money gained by giving more attention for the female audiences. And this is what happens.

Somehow I always found feminists greedy and ignorant. They are abusing their rights, but don't want to perform their responsibilities which come with those rights. |=(:/

Also some hardliners should just be locked up to keep feminism a good public image and for other genders in general: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/26/colleges-husky-dog-l...

[politicallyincorrectunderbellythought]
Time to chase them back where they belong: In the kitchen or mounted on our dicks~!  |=(>:U [/politicallyincorrectunderbellythought]

It's a bit like doing pepper and salt on an egg. Doing too much pepper on the egg makes it too spicy, doing too much salt on it gives you kidney stones. But do a tip of both on the egg and it will taste fine and in harmony of each.
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