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Whippy

the future, i hope not

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It made me rather sad to read this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/27/after-76-years-to...

It makes me see a world with fewer jobs, more machines, and less people outside of their homes.  I imagine everyone going outside to a world with nothing but plain warehouses. Walking into buildings with huge machines that dispense large items if you slide in your credit card..or get your eyeball scanned. Going shopping would be the same. Getting gas..same. I can only see people getting more violent, isolated, and caged as the world becomes more 'automated'. It's not what saves companies money that's important, it's how people interact with each other every day.  Sometimes I wish the whole system would just fall apart.
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Added: 5 years, 4 months ago
 
Kainus666
5 years, 4 months ago
well there may come a day where that happens... and the world WILL fall apart very quick. It will be sad but who knows... humanity may learn something. Its sad. Until then, we just watch as humanity becomes more scarce and technology takes over...
Lando
5 years, 4 months ago
foxnews
Whippy
5 years, 4 months ago
Yes that's right. News for foxes! :P
MrSOCKS
5 years, 4 months ago
"It's not what saves companies money that's important"
No,Looq. This is the ONLY thing that is important. People don't matter, families don't matter, jobs don't matter, nations don't matter. All that matters is keeping the stockholders fat and happy, no matter the cost to everyone else.
And as for public concerns, in a nation where even the smallest taxation is likened to violent rape, every cost-cutting measure simply MUST be enacted so voters don't have to pay any more taxes than is absolutely necessary. Again, nothing else matters, because TAXATION IS EVIL NAZI SATANIC SOCIALISM!!!!!!
We are in a death spiral, with selfishness, greed and fear being the primary characteristics of our society. I am pleased that I have no children.
shadycat
5 years, 4 months ago
Amen. Why anyone wants to produce more little drones for the corporate machine at this point is beyond me. Of course, child rearing has always seemed to me an exercise in wild-eyed optimism.
MrSOCKS
5 years, 4 months ago
'Tis also an exercise in instinct, that defies practicality.
Consider places like North Korea, as a very easy example. *They* still have kids.
shadycat
5 years, 4 months ago
Oh, I recognize that. Given the conditions under which people procreate, it'd be hard not to. Hell, it's mostly easier to have kids than not. But the drive is neither universal nor immune to the moderating effects of education and the better quality of life outcomes for smaller families.
MrSOCKS
5 years, 4 months ago
This is true, only in a modern, first-world context.
In the Old World, by the Old Ways, having a platoon of kids was a form of wealth and indeed health insurance, betting on the known factor that not all of the children would survive/stick around. People want someone they know, trust and love to take care of them as they grow ever older. A child was a hedged bet for this want.
shadycat
5 years, 4 months ago
Absolutely true. But it was the modern, first-world context under discussion. Having a large family, or really any family, is a liability in a society that is increasingly corporate controlled and cares nothing for the health of that society but only for the profit that can be bled from it. To be competitive in the job market you must be constantly willing and able to pick up and go. Everything else is baggage holding you back. I don't care for this efficient society at all. Who benefits? The stock market is at near record highs, but where are wages? No. Fascism has come to America, (Mussolini defined it as the marriage of state and corporate power.) and it didn't even need a flag or a cross to flourish.
MrSOCKS
5 years, 4 months ago
And erudite analysis.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 4 months ago
My job revolves around automating things. That's what programmers do.

Do we eliminate jobs in the process? Sometimes, but not always. Sometimes we just make the jobs easier. However I'm going to point out those collectors don't exactly get out and socialize. It's a boring mundane job where they sit in a little booth all day.

All that aside, there will always be manual labor jobs. However the future is gearing more towards skilled labor jobs. Things that require a brain, rather than just sit in a booth all day pressing a single button and making change. Those jobs were long over-due to be done away with. Should people really be making a living doing that? Or should they actually be forced to do something more productive with their life to make a living?

Like sure a kid in school could do that part time to make some money, but look at them. They're lifers. They get in, and get over-paid, and never leave or even try to better themselves. Should we really promote that?
shadycat
5 years, 4 months ago
Half the population has an IQ under one hundred. They are not, and will never be, capable of performing the "jobs of the future". As we cut funding for education, more and more intelligent people from impoverished backgrounds will also be disenfranchised as they will be unable to get the necessary training to compete for these jobs.
So, what's the plan? What are you going to do with the half of society who, through no fault of their own, are simply not smart enough to keep up in a world that is not only changing, (It always is.) but changing with ever increasing rapidity? Humans, without genetic engineering, aren't going to get any smarter.
All these demands for increased skill and efficiency come from "The Market". "The Market" requires that wages be kept low while demands on productivity increase. "The Market" requires that pensions be gutted and unions destroyed. I call bullshit. "The Market" is the voice of the rich complaining they are not rich enough. "The Market" doesn't care about a healthy society; all it wants is ever increasing profits.
I think that revolution will come. Sure, people are blind and stupid but there are limits. History shows where they are as it also shows that the wealthy classes are invariably oblivious to them. I look forward to seeing bodies in ten thousand dollar suits dangling from the lamp posts of Wall street.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 4 months ago
I think Darwin summed it up quite nicely. Survival of the fittest.

I feel bad for people in the US and other places who can't afford to get schooling, but I don't believe it's through "no fault of their own". The fact is that we ARE getting smarter. It may not seem that way in some parts of the world, but at some point their governments need to step up to the plate and start doing something about it.

My family is not rich, in fact I went to college through government funding (not a loan or scholarship). I'd love nothing more than to see the stupid people die off. Cold as that might sound, I'm just sick of putting up with crap as a direct result of stupid people. How else does someone like Bush get re-elected? Stupid people, that's how. Why should we make special treatment for someone who didn't apply themselves when education was being handed out. Instead they went to goof off and have fun. Who's fault is that? Their own damn fault.

I'm sick to death of people blaming the rich for them being poor. They're poor because instead of studying or paying attention during class they wanted the easy way out. Skipped school, and dropped out, then got a min. wage joe-job. That's not the market holding you back, that's your poor decision making holding you back. The only ones who can say it's through no fault of their own, are the ones who are on disability. Otherwise, pull up your skirt, and put the damn effort in to get what you want.

Life isn't handed to you on a silver platter. I worked hard to get to where I am today, and I don't think it's fair that someone with no education who sits in a booth doing jack squat all day should make the same amount as me. That's about what those people made. If they were cheaper and more efficient, they might not have put this system in at all.
shadycat
5 years, 4 months ago
So, you think the stupid and uneducated will just die off? You dream my friend. And frankly it's a rather disgusting one. You really want to bring Darwinism in to this? You come off sounding like one of those Bush voters you castigate. You can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you don't have any boots.
I don't think the world you seem to hope for is going to happen. I don't think you'd like it very much if it did.
Whippy
5 years, 4 months ago
Living is hard enough. Who wouldn't want to stay at a regular easy to do job for that long?  Most jobs these days don't even last for 18 years. I envy those people.  Some folks get their challenges and fulfillment at their jobs, while others just do their job to survive and care about what's at home more and find that rewarding.  Technically, playing video games isn't considered "bettering one's self", nor watching TV or movies, yet everybody does it anyway.
It may not be a boring job to them because they can talk with each other and find things to do while they wait. Being in the rat race isn't all it's cracked up to be when you're getting a regular paycheck and are used to where you're at, it's comfortable instead of stressful.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 4 months ago
Believe me, I have nothing against honest work, for honest pay. But that pay should be directly proportional to your duties and responsibilities. A job that has little to no skill involved should pay little to nothing above minimum wage. If you can live off that, then sure go ahead. If not, we shouldn't have to accommodate them with higher wages. The fact they automated it and they lost their jobs should tell you that they were over-paid. That fancy system isn't cheap to develop or implement, and they would only do it to save money and time.

The idea of bettering yourself was meant in the form of education so you can get a better job. If you have already done that, then play video games to your heart's content. Education doesn't always mean going to school either. It can simply be sitting down and taking the time to learn a necessary skill (like drawing ;P).
kenji321
5 years, 4 months ago
I say meh.
I doubt folks will get violent.
Not every job can be automated.
phydoux
5 years, 4 months ago
who's going to report all the jumpers now?!?
ped0tter
5 years, 4 months ago
dock workers?
phydoux
5 years, 4 months ago
XD if i was allowed in the USA this would be the last place (for a reason) i'd like to visit, but that's not just me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxtXjAZeyaY
alistair
5 years, 4 months ago
Hm! Moving to a purely windshield-tag / license plate photo system should greatly improve the traffic flow over the bridge.  As sad as it always is to see a long-standing position go, the overall societal gains in terms of productivity and time not spent in traffic should (key word) give many people more time in their day.  Sounds like a win, to me.
shadycat
5 years, 4 months ago
Unless of course you're a 56 year old toll booth worker. In which case you're fucked.
Cascadiarch
5 years, 4 months ago
What's with all the luddites? This is a great thing! And I speak as a never-been-employed guy with a high school education! Well... a GED. But that's just as good! Woo, technology! :D
Whippy
5 years, 4 months ago
Technology is okay as long as it doesn't isolate people and make them forget what simple things feel like.
Meowz
5 years, 4 months ago
Dude, in a world like that, I'll be amongst the crowd that finds the last speckles of shrubberies and call those a home. Even if it means I turn into a survivalist and pure outdoorsman. Gimme the crops!
Whippy
5 years, 4 months ago
Same here. Ever Heard of a book called "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn? Totally worth a read. It changed my mind a lot about the established order of things.
Mousington
5 years, 4 months ago
for some reason i was remined of the movie Minority Report when Tom Cruises character goes to the building that just builds cars and he gets built into one and drives off.
PeachClover
5 years, 4 months ago
In the year 2525...
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