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Danaume

Cat Signal: UN bid to regulate the Internet.

An obscure international meeting next week could give a top-down, non-transparent UN body (one with representation from many dictatorships) the power to regulate the Internet. It's called the ITU. This would allow a global organization to have the power to regulate what can or can not be distributed on the internet, and where one can and can not go.
If that doesn't sound like fun to you, get involved.

http://www.internetcoup.org/en/
http://internetdefenseleague.org/international
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Added: 5 years, 9 months ago
 
jorun1981
5 years, 9 months ago
What the fuck? They are crazy?
placeholder12
5 years, 9 months ago
I got that email too - seems like these types of bids for power are going to be a regular feature as the older generation of rulers sees the balance of power shift to the young.
purplecat
5 years, 9 months ago
The cat signal went off? I didn't get any messages and I swear I signed up with them. I'm glad for the news though, thanks.
talon2point0
5 years, 9 months ago
That's ah.... fucked up on many levels.
That can't be allowed, how many nations would that fuck up?
kleet
5 years, 9 months ago
Directly: None. It's down to each nation to activate or regulate it.

Indirectly: It gives your ISP more power or more responsibility to make sure you aren't messing around.

So long story short: Tor may not be enough. You might need more p2p sites, since domains and IPs are controlled and regulated behind the DNS level.
kleet
5 years, 9 months ago
2 problems:

1. Online petitions are so vulnerable to DDOS/bot-filling that the numbers hold no weight. A single email or letter to a representative would do more.
2. The UN currently have power to decide on the legality of everything outside of earth as well. That's why the USA or Russia does not own the moon.
3. The internet already has overlords. Try getting an IP or domain name without using ICANN at some level. The internet is owned and regulated already. It's just moved faster than legislation.
Sylva
5 years, 9 months ago
Wait. Ain't this the same UN that has peacekeepers committing crimes against the women and children they're supposed to be protecting, the same UN that has rampant corruption, bribery, nepotism, and supports petty dictators because they call themselves 'heads of state'? And they're gonna tell ANYONE else how to do - pretty much anything?

Sounds legit to me.

Wait - nevermind - sounds just like most every other government out there - all is well...
GunslingerDragon
5 years, 9 months ago
The UN has a "freedom rating" of all countries. The United States comes in 3rd, at 7 (10 being best). China is currently at 3. The average "freedom rating" of the UN is 4. They're also the world's largest anti-gun organization, despite the fact that their own data disproves many of their own arguments.

So yeah, UN trying to get the power to control all things, par for the course. However, thankfully, being absolutely terrible at actually being the slightest bit effective in anything is also par for the course. Still, best to nip potential problems in the bud.
dmfalk
5 years, 9 months ago
Being long active in radio, I'm familiar with the International Telecommunications Union. That said, I'll stress this:

They have no power to regulate content- Their sole authority is to establish technical standards used in telecommunications. This includes frequency bands and channels used on an international level. They leave authority over content to member nations. What this means is they oversee the technical aspects to make sure things are compatible within radio, telephone, television, etc., particularly to ensure compatibility between nations when it comes to any electronic communications method. They work alongside with the International Standards Organisation (ISO), who oversee all standards used internationally, not just technical standards. The ITU was established to exist alongside the International Postal Union, which oversee how mail is handled between countries.

d.m.f.
KhellSennet
5 years, 9 months ago
This kind of thing will never pass, because if they succeed, we (the youth) will burn down the entire f'ing system.  And that's no idle boast.
djack232
5 years, 9 months ago
Before I click the links and read further I've gotta ask.  Is this like the "censorship" bills SOPA and PIPA where anyone with even a basic knowledge of legalese could see that no law abiding website like Youtube and Inkbunny would be at any risk and only sites designed to illegally distribute pirated material are actually going to suffer?  Because listening to all the people attacking those bills without any actual knowledge about it and all the videos and artwork that flooded the internet that were really just black screens with the word "censored" written in red in the foreground was a complete pain in the ass to deal with.
dmfalk
5 years, 9 months ago
First, understand what the ITU is, before you complain about it.

d.m.f.
djack232
5 years, 9 months ago
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or just didn't read my post.  I didn't complain about the ITU, in fact people complaining about something without any actual knowledge of it was exactly the thing that bugged me last time the internet freaked out about the possibility of censorship.
Danaume
5 years, 9 months ago
I'm just spreading the word. It is up to each individual to determine if they consider this a risk or just another thing.
djack232
5 years, 9 months ago
Quite frankly, much like GunslingerDragon, I don't really consider the U.N. competent enough to enforce their own lunch orders so whether it's really what you made it out to be or not I don't see this ever being an actual problem (the fact that the League of Nations was just as bad doesn't help).  But I don't want to spend the next month hearing people freak out just because they don't understand something.  It's actually rather amazing how many armchair experts and pseudo-intellectuals will go from insulting everyone who disagrees with them, to sucking the dick of everyone who claims to be able to stop this from happening just because they're too stupid to understand even the most basic legal terms and too paranoid to listen to the people who do understand it.
dmfalk
5 years, 9 months ago
Just FYI, but the ITU already had the authority over the Internet, to oversee the technical standards and implementations between member nations, to ensure that things work on the international level. They aren't responsible for what goes on in individual countries, nor can they mandate censorship or any kind if content control, especially if it flies in the face of the UN's own Declaration of Human Rights, which stands against censorship.

d.m.f.
WeirdPurpleBunny
5 years, 9 months ago
Not sure what to make of this ITU thing.
I admit I've never heard of them before.  Might keep an eye on this one though, see if I can get a look at the "small print" of how they're going to use it first.

The Declaration of Human Rights is pretty much ineffective these days.  Look around the world and see if any government out there actually gives a damn about human rights.  They'll use it when it makes them look like they care in front of the voters, but when it's in the way of something they want, they'll conveniently forget about it.
dmfalk
5 years, 9 months ago
The ITU oversees technical standards concerning telecommunications between member nations, and nothing more. These include how broadcast radio bands (and amateur radio bands below 30MHz) operate, including the 10kHz channel spacing on the AM broadcast band in the Americas and 9kHz in the rest of the world, as well as the three bandplans used worldwide for FM broadcasting (76-100MHz in Japan, the now-obsolete 66-76MHz in eastern Europe, and 88-108MHz in the rest of the world); the use of DTMF touchtones for phone dialing, as well as country codes for dialing (the "1" before the area code in the US, Canada and some Caribbean countries, for example), as well as radio & TV station call letter prefixes (ie: call letters that start with "W" & ""K" in the US, "C" in Canada and "X" in Mexico"), and the now-no-longer-needed International Morse Code (... --- ...).

Those are just the most obvious things they've standardised over the course of their (nearly) 150 years since they were first needed to establish telegraphy standards when they first started laying electrical cables along the Atlantic seafloor, including the aforementioned International Morse Code.

But they have no authority- and never have- on how you say "hello", "moshi-moshi" or "what the fucking he'll do you want?" when you answer the telephone. :)

As for the UN, it's only as good as the nations who participate in it, not the other way around- After all, it's primary mission is is to solve problems between nations at the negotiating table, and not the battlefield. But again, this depends on the willingness of the participating nations- and it did prevent all-out war between the US and the USSR, simply by getting the two nations to talk. (I should know- I lived through most of it.) The Declaration of Human Rights actually is honored by the majority of its signatory nations, and is taken more seriously in most of the "developed" world, but it is a goal, especially to overcome many of this world's prejudices, which actually have come a long way over the last 60+ years, but still, admittedly, have a long way to go- No document or creed can ever instantaneously end things-- It requires effort of people and their nations to work hard to reach those goals and standards. Millions of people do, even in the most hostile of nations. Institutions like the UN cannot do these things on their own! That's why many volunteer for UNICEF, UNESCO and the Peace Corps, so they can actively make a better world. They don't sit back, complaining- They do it.

d.m.f.
prufen
5 years, 9 months ago
god damn UN
C0baltblaze
5 years, 9 months ago
it is stupid all forms of data distribution is what makes the world go around for starters for all the illegal stuff they remove or make people not able to see or deal in online all that blackmarket cash pretty much never gets spent and alot of people go under while the government ends up cutting back on shit because of failure in the economy due to the rise and fall of the dollar or whatever country has for money, the value of something is only that much greater when only a law exists to stop it but when you force people into other means of distribution you cut off all that money that people tend to spend on stuff because you cut off a source of income for many people even if its cp drugs or hitman.
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