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KichigaiKitsune

Don't you just hate Internet Explorer? Let's make it so you never need it!

It's so bad, it makes my hair bleed. Which, now that I think about it, is kind of cool, and something to remember for next Halloween.

But I'm a bored kitsune, so I thought I'd tell you all how to download a far superior browser without once having to touch that god-awful joke, Internet Explorer. After all, it's the main reason people use IE - to download something better. That, or to piss off their room-mates.

Also, I recently cracked a joke about using IE to install Firefox on my new computer, so I thought I'd just toss this out here while it's still somewhat relevant.

Open Windows PowerShell (this is presuming you use Windows, obviously). Don't have it as a shortcut for some reason? Hit the Start button and type "powershell" - or, if you recently installed the vicious malware known as Windows 8, hit your crotch with a hammer and move to the side of the screen for the Search function and do the same. Assuming it doesn't bug out and crash like the train-wreck it is.

Then stretch those typing fingers out! This really only takes as long as it takes for you to type (and might take less than actually firing up a browser and navigating to the Mozilla page, etc, etc).
Typey-type the following.

PS> $DLPATH = "C:\Firefox_Installer.exe"

( You just created a variable called "DLPATH", which must be the full path to where you want the file downloaded; it has to be a specific file, not just a directory, or you'll cop an error. Variables can be named almost anything, and they can be in upper or lower case; it doesn't matter, just don't forget the dollar-sign.)

PS> $DLFILE = "http:/ /ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/17.0/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%2017.0.exe"

( OK, that's the hard part, because that URL is just so long. Note that the URL is meant to be all one word, I just put a space between the first two "/"s in "http://"; to stop Inkbunny truncating it.)

PS> $WC = New-Object System.Net.WebClient

PS> $WC.DownloadFile($DLFILE, $DLPATH)


Pow. Powershell invokes the .NET Web Client and snags the file stored in the "$DLFILE" variable. To do this with another file, simply set $DLFILE and $DLPATH to something else.

Too lazy to go click on the file? Good!

PS> Invoke-Item C:\Firefox*

Yes, that's right, you're too lazy to type the full path. Woo!
Note: it takes significantly less effort to download files using a Unix terminal. Kind of embarrassing, really...

And yes, guys, I'm still writing and I have actually started writing several serious journals over the last week, and I keep erasing them before I commit to posting. I don't know, I just can't think of anything I really want to commit to posting here. I get about half-way through writing about a good topic before I throw my paws up and bail out.

I'm sure I'll get over it. For now, enjoy being safe in the knowledge you almost never will need to touch IE again.
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Added: 5 years, 10 months ago
 
saintkoopa
5 years, 10 months ago
IE works fine for me. There is nothing wrong with it where I stand.

I will never understand the hate for it.
aldreyachan
5 years, 10 months ago
That reminds me of a discussion from a chat channel in WoW...

Someone was sticking up for IE, and I made the fair point that although it's "widely known" for being the worst browser... the majority of those who hold that view are just on the bandwagon and couldn't explain why.
saintkoopa
5 years, 10 months ago
that is my experience as well. I will say it has some problems but it is not as bad everyone says, I Barely notice any issues with speed when I use it and chrome at the same time. The only thing that I hear about is the customizability of the others compared to IE.
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
I don't know if you get the alert, but I replied to Aldreyachan, which was also a reply to you. :3
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
Well, I WAS gonna let someone else field it, but now Aldreyachan's said that, I have to reply.

Practically: in comparison to Mozilla Firefox/Chrome, IE is far less stable, extensible, customizable and secure. It is also slower and chews more memory. Firefox has functions IE does not, and IE often outright rips off functionality from open-source browsers without shame in order to "compete" so it lags far behind. You see those tabs? IE copied the idea.

Ethically: IE was Microsoft's first attempt to invade the web browser software market, and it aggressively tried to shut down competitors such as Netscape. Through such techniques as including IE in Windows (making use of its dominant marketshare) and the promotion of proprietary protocols and code in IE and other Microsoft programs, specifically those used for web development, they tried to secure a monopoly on the entire internet, much as how they tried/are trying to secure a monopoly on office suite software. Remember the Microsoft Anti-Trust case, and other controversies? Remember, if you were unlucky, seeing a page made in FrontPage or some other Microsoft proprietary web development program that refused to display on anything other than IE?

Sad that people jump on bandwagons without researching things, but there you go.

Also, I do experience performance problems with IE, especially whenever I have many tabs open. Firefox works fine until I have a shitstorm of tabs open (45+ on my old laptop, maybe much more on this one!), but having half that number caused IE 32bit to experience errors, crawl and exhibit odd behavior. It's just not very efficient or stable.

Edit: As for the hate, well, yeah. It's the ethical issue that causes the "hate." IE is outright rejected by many people, even if for no other reason than to tell Microsoft to keep its business practices away from the web.
saintkoopa
5 years, 10 months ago
Yea I understand It has problems and some of the others are ahead but someone just hate it too much. I am not doing much web development so I probably won't run into those issues with but I have chrome for that kind of stuff. IE works fine for just browsing
 
I have not used firefox in a while I should give it a try again. But I still think the hate for IE is blown out of proportion.
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
Well, you kinda missed the point there. I mean, I can contest that it works as well as other browsers "for just browsing", but that's not the issue. The issue was that Microsoft tried to make it the only browser that would work, so it's not that you personally use or don't use web development software, but that they tried to force people to NEED to use THEIR web development software and browser. Luckily, they failed. Thus, those who "hate on" IE for the right reasons would not agree that their hatred is overblown.
saintkoopa
5 years, 10 months ago
Okay I can understand the hatred for a monopoly. Unfortunately 99% of people who hate it could not explain that to me.
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
Ehhhh. It's the internet. 99% of people can't explain gravity. >:3
saintkoopa
5 years, 10 months ago
fair enough.
Alfador
5 years, 10 months ago
Alternative solution: Download the installer on computer A into flash drive, insert Flash drive into computer B, install from Flash drive. ;) But your solution does not require the presence of a computer with Firefox already installed. (in this house, there are currently six: my desktop and laptop, Zephie's desktop and laptop, and both my work laptops)
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
Heehee, yeah, of course! But my way is funny, and geeky, and was actually... well, the seriousness of the above comments notwithstanding, it was intended to be educational fun. I was just showing how to download stuff using Powershell! :3
kitaness
5 years, 10 months ago
Or just use http://ninite.com/ and install everything you want in one fell swoop~
Also this is actually the simplest way to download a file through PowerShell? What a clusterfuck.
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
Well, is that as fun and silly as using PS? :D
(Actually checking that page out now... look pretty neat!)

And yeah, for now it is. MS is supposed to be introducing a new cmdlet for handling this, but for now we have to make do with this incredible circuitous way of doing things. So far as I know. Mind you, you can create your own cmdlets (not that I have a clue how) and/or script/alias all this, so it's not too terrible.

Compare to "wget" on Unix systems, if you haven't already. :S
kitaness
5 years, 10 months ago
Yeah, I do almost all of my work on a linux terminal so I'm familiar with the sane way of doing things.
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
*can't help but snicker!* Cool! :3

Only just started using Linux/BSD recently. Really having a lot of fun, actually.
Alfador
5 years, 10 months ago
Yah, wget makes things much nicer. Virtual machines aside, I'm giving serious consideration to making my current aging laptop a dedicated Linux machine for whenever I want to use it for something, after I get a new one that runs Windows 7 (possibly after Christmas so I don't run low on funds buying gifts and whatnot, similar to how I've already delayed it due to wanting to keep a buffer of savings for finishing out the move).
Zer0
5 years, 10 months ago
Haven't used IE meself in years. At first it was because of compatibility issues with many flash and java sites (I liked my flash/java games when I was younger :3 ) and it had a tendency to use up a lot of memory with how many windows I had to use to browse what I wanted to... namely looking through 3 different gaming FAQ sites while waiting for a flash vid to load and keeping several comic sites up in the background for later reading...

IE simply couldn't handle it. So, at the encouragement of a few budies, went to firefox.

Tabs... I mean, that everything simply worked better, smoother, and I could get onto sites that were having major compatibility issues with IE; all that was amazing, but it was the tabs that really hooked me.

Tried Chrome at some point due to a couple of friends ranting and raving about it like it was the greatest thing since peanut butter met jelly. Honestly, while it was nifty and all and I believe to be a great browser, I still prefer FireFox. Just the feel of it is a lot better for me. Can't speak for anybody else, just the way it operates I find very pleasing.

On a side note, because this reminded me, I had to put away the VM for a bit, at least until I can get some more memory on my computer and/or a processor over 2.9 GHz (Which, I found out, I need a new motherboard to be compatible with the processor I want :P). Intensive gaming is great, but my computer right now can't multi-task on the level I want.

Not to mention the last time I tried to get Linux Mint to run on the VM it worked... for a little, before my entire computer started to slow down considerably. Had to do a checkdisk clean/fix to get it running right again (which took FOREVER). I think that's a sign I need MOAR POWA!

Wow... I think I went off on a small tangent there... Sorries!
KichigaiKitsune
5 years, 10 months ago
I think I stopped using IE when I was about 14. I really can't remember the last time I used it as a main browser - I know I used Netscape Navigator (Firefox's predecessor) until Microsoft succeeded in burying them. So, amusingly, Navigator's revenge is the ultra kickass Firefox, dominating a third of all browsers online, with Chrome/Chromium taking another third, so sucked in, IE! >:3
Also, yes, tabs changed everything. I was so happy when I discovered tabbed browsing.

Firefox and Chrome/Chromium are strong competitors, but there was a period where people insisted everything from Google was the best evarrr, and that used to irritate me. Used to get into minor arguments with furries I knew in real life insisting that Chrome was superior because, get this, you could type something in the URL bar and it would do a GOOGLE SEARCH FOR IT if it wasn't a URL! Gasp!

Firefox can't do - Oh wait, hit "tab" once and you can search Wikipedia, Google, Yahoo, YouTube, and literally any other search engine out there if you add it to the search bar, which takes a split second. Oh, also, you totally CAN type something in the URL bar and it would search Google or whatever you set to your default search engine - which YOU choose, it isn't always Google. Also, Chrome has a history of crashing and doing weird stuff, especially when Flash is thrown into the mix...

Don't get me wrong, just as with the BSD vs Linux argument, I think the entire thing is asinine. They're both amazing browsers, although I personally think Firefox is slightly better and Foxkeh is awesome. You know Foxkeh, right? Firefox is generally more stable, more customizable (waaaaay more flexible than Chrome), easier to extend, and is free-and-open-source; so it even wins from an ethical standpoint. Also, yeah, using it is kinda sticking it to Microsoft even after all these years. :3

And although I'm a happy owner of an Android phone, I use Google services, and generally have a lot of respect for the Big G, I am utterly sick of people fawning over them. Like Google Talk when it came out - easily one of the most useless IM programs, but everyone was raving about it. Google is becoming big business, and it deserves the respect, admiration, and cynical suspicion due of any big business, with its many great successes and many great failings. I wish fanboys would quit blowin' em off. Though Chrome is a great browser, this fanboyism is probably a good explanation for its overall popularity. Mind you, Firefox has some damn devoted fans too... *cough*

Oh crud, I hope the VM software didn't damage your computer somehow. I've never had any issues with VMWare or Virtualbox causing any problems, at least not after they were closed. It probably wouldn't hurt to have a MORE POWERFUL LASER CHECKOUT SYSTEM... I mean, more power if you're going to run virtual machines - or game, naturally! One major advantage of my new laptop is that I can virtualize multiple systems for study and fooling around.

Linux Mint is a great OS, and I recommend you give it a try as an actual install, alongside Windows. I'm using it right now - it gets about 70% of my time. I might screenshot my desktop environment to show people - a typical Mint screenshot just shows the MATE desktop and default theme, most of the time. You haven't seen anything until you've seen a Linux distro with a personalized desktop environment running Compiz, with 3D cube workspace switching and windows that warp in and out of existence, explode into flames when closed, fade into the background when minimized, etc... Bwaha!

Edit: I also use Links and Lynx at times. It's always cool to have a terminal based browser; worth checking out if you ever end up using Linux/Unix predominantly.
Zer0
5 years, 10 months ago
Nah, my computer is fine. Just that the things I do are very CPU and GPU intensive, so running off of 4GB memory is great for running one thing at a time, or several small things... but trying to run VM and have a download or two on two different OS's on the same computer doesn't make my tower very happy. Luckily whatever sectors on my hardrive that were messed up were fixable. *confetti*

I would like to switch over to Mint on a more full-time basis, but until I get a secondary computer for testing or upgrade this computer, not entirely certain I want to make a full switch yet... especially since I haven't been able to successfully get WINE running and therefore don't know if I could run the game I want.
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