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Whippy

Surprise or Process? Which one do you like best in art?

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I had a talk about this with a friend more than once. It's about that jolt you get from seeing a new piece of art vs seeing the thing done step by step. He was of the opinion that it takes away from the (i'll call it surprise) when you see each step first rather than the final completed thing. I, on the other hand, thought that it was a nice boost to get feedback from people and see interest in the art before it's completely done. It gives me some motivation to finish it in a way. But then I notice that a lot of artists only upload completed things only, not really the steps. Or they might upload the steps after uploading the completed piece.

If I'm in a painting for the long haul, and I know that I can complete the thing in one session, then I won't save any of the progress shots. Usually I take a progress shot at the end of each session for the day and upload this to my scraps. I also keep this separate from the final piece.

So, I've been thinking, would you guys find it cleaner or easier if I just:
1. Switched the scrap to the main gallery and uploaded the final image to that?
2. Stop uploading progress shots all together and do only complete uploads?
3. Continue like I'm doing at the moment with progress shots in my scraps and finished things in my main gallery?

My problem with 1 is that I don't think the image shows up on the front page if I switch it from scraps to the main gallery...does it?  If not, then only watchers would notice it, not others. Or would it show up only if I upload a new image to it after switching it to the main gallery?
Confirmed, doesn't update to recent list.

My problem with 2 of course is that I like to think that showing progress shots benefits somebody out there as an artist. I love seeing progress shots personally. It's not that it takes the magic out of the picture, but shows me that it can be done and isn't an impossible task when broken down into steps. Yeah, I love seeing finished work too, it's wonderful and I'm sure everybody else gets a nice "wow!!" from it too.

My problem with 3 is that it keeps the progress separate from the final image, I kinda don't dig that much because I'll notice that sometimes the progress shots get way more views than the final image. Not that I'm hate'n on that, but just like getting good feedback on progress boosts my motivation for finishing, not getting as much feedback on the final is kind of demotivating ^^; Like I used up all the "surprise" potential and so the response kinda gives me the vibe of "Oh yeah, that again...eh, that's nice".

So, I'd like to go with 1 because it could be the best of both worlds, but only if it actually shows up on the front page when updated ^^; Heck, I'll go test it now.... Okay, tested. It doesn't update to recent. So we're back to either no progress shots or separate progress shots in scraps.
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Added: 6 years, 2 months ago
 
Klandagi
6 years, 2 months ago
Well, I know from having worked on some movies and TV shows, even if they are things you will never see, spoils seeing movies to me.  I see how they are put together too readily.
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
Well yeah, but it also takes a lot of people to make a movie. It just takes one person to make a piece of art ^^; Soo, I got a really big interest in how stuff is made.
Klandagi
6 years, 2 months ago
Lots and lots of people to make it, just one to screw it up. ;)

I do enjoy watching artists work, and I find I sometimes find I like the sketchy stages better than the finished stage.
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
I like watching a sketch come together also. Hmm..that reminds me, I can upload videos here too...
Klandagi
6 years, 2 months ago
Kind of a stupid question, but do you stream?
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
lol..I do, kind of irregularly.
Eiko
6 years, 2 months ago
As a commissioner, I like to see the process, as it helps iron out some of the details; some artists like to do this in emails so they don't publicly post any mistakes. As a watcher, I like to see the process in the same submission as the artwork; that is why I post most of the submissions in my gallery with all the WIP files in reverse chronological order. x3

EDIT: What is kind of annoying, though, is when artists notify all their watchers of a WIP, and then RE-notify their watchers when they add the finished file. I would rather they only sent the notification part for the finished work.
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
Hmm, it would be nice if InkBunny had types of updates on submissions. Like "W.I.P." and then "Finished" , and you could choose which to receive.  But the notification on updates as it is right now is kinda necessary, otherwise people would have to click through the pages in the gallery and check each one manually ^^;  I'll talk to Starling about that idea though, sounds handy.  

So...I take it you're keen on the idea of receiving the progress and the completed image all at the same time in the same place?
Eiko
6 years, 2 months ago
In fully finished pictures, it is easier to see the content in the thumbnail. In a sketch, it's harder to see, so I probably pass over a lot of good ones. x3
AltheAlbinoFox
6 years, 2 months ago
Going by the general pattern, I'd have to say art sites like this broadly associate the "Scraps" folder with the concept of W.I.P.  So, the real problem is when items show up in your submissions and you can't even tell whether it's a Scrap item, nor can you tell it to stop showing you every one of them. (Only the artist can do that.)

Either way, the same place that will tell you every time art gets a progress update, will hardly tell you which ones are still IN progress.
ElMatto
6 years, 2 months ago
I like both. A lot of work goes into creating good art and it's awesome to see the process.
PeachClover
6 years, 2 months ago
2 - If you want to show another artist how to do something you make a tutorial.  You can make this as a video, but most people make it as a comic style pic showing the changes... Now, imagine for a moment that you are making one of these tutorials and still upload the WIPs to that tutorial, comes across as redundant right?

I am not much of an artist, but I want to say that most who are interested in learning how to art learn from tutorials or now days, from an artist's stream.  The trouble is many Furries wish they could be artists, but they don't really want to put the energy into learning, and for that I believe your take 20 on free art lessons is falling on blind eyes, because those who are actually serious are going to look for keyword tutorial and probably don't know how to learn from sketches; didn't you say that was an art school technique?

As far as the wow factor; it doesn't happen often, but I will sometimes leave the house when the den is a wreck, and when I return, it appears to be magically clean, which makes me take genuine notice.  This is obviously the hard work of someone in this house who desired it to be clean, but when I have been part of the cleaning process, it doesn't wow me that the room is cleaner when I finish.  For this reason, I think you should post finished pieces only, and in your spare time create tutorials for each technique you wish to share.  Perhaps even make Bob Ross style video tutorials.  XD
Whippy
6 years, 2 months ago
Okay, I understand where you're coming from. You're right that people that want to learn specifically go looking for tutorials. I do that exact same thing myself, but I've also seen some artists merely post progress shots in one submission and I could understand when they did fairly easily without words. But yeah, Maybe I should make some nice clear tutorials for folks, it would certainly cater to the crowd that's after them. Good idea bunny!
FoxWolfie
6 years, 2 months ago
I kind of like the way you are doing it now.  I love to see the progress, but I only download and keep the final product, in most cases.
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