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The truth about Sofurry.

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I'm curently a little disapointed with Sofurry, the mod KiDra and SF's onwer Toumal.
To those of you not in the know me and a couple of my friends have come under attack over the last year by a few trolls on DA.
Now one of these trolls I will name "Miss Kitty" just to keep from giving out real screen names.
Miss kitty has being trolling our accounts on SF, FA and even here on Inkbunny on and off for the last year.
She has even gone as far as to copy art from our accounts, trace and reports the crude copies to DA before any of us had a chance to submit our art to the likes of FA and SF, so when we unknowningly posted our art to our other sites we had no idea this troll had posted a copy of the art and had reported us to the admin.

Believe it or not that's no big deal, this troll an her friends have cried to the admin no end of times.
Normally just after me or my friends post a submission, they either cry that its aimed at them, ripped off from their work or against the rules somehow.
This is the main reason why I don't submit to FA anymore.

Now back to the matter at hand.
Miss Kitty stole art from me and then cried to KiDra about it, what has angered me is the fact KiDra hasn't done his job right, pretty much what I've come to expect from Sofurry in recent years.
He took this troll blindly at her word without even asking my side of the story or even giving me a fair chance to defend myself.
Unhappy with the ban I contacted Toumal to try and reason with him, all I got was aload of excuses about how this has being going on for a year now and their sick of it.
But not sick enough to do their jobs and follow up any of the complaints I've made about this troll.
Nor sick enough to ban this person despite the fact me and three others have all made complaints about her.

All it would've taken was to ban this troll, but instead they side with the bully.


Here is the very quote from SF's welcome screen.

"SoFurry is the home for artists and fans of the anthropomorphic arts. We believe that all types of furry creativity are precious, in freedom of choice and the uniting power of our common interests. We believe in you.
Come join us. Share your artwork, animations, stories and music with all of us, enjoy the works shared by others, buy and sell commissions, and build your own community groups with their own forum and chat."



Bullsh*t, not one word of that is true.
I have only ever found one SF mod to be honest and do his job right, that was Rock, he did his job and was a nice person to talk to.
He always looked into both sides before taking action.
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Added: 6 years, 1 month ago
 
PerroTheTraveler
6 years, 1 month ago
I think they mean they're sick of investigating every call.

Do they at least keep some kind of log to see who's been complaining just a little too often instead of merely logging who they're complaining about?

... Hang on a mo.  Did they go so far as to keep ME locked out of a place I haven't been to in years?
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
No he said sick of the drama, but miss kitty is the cause of it, ban her and it all goes away.

I don't know, I do know that KiDra, the mod behind the ban has a reputation.
If only he was half as quick to answer the complaints I made about the same person we wouldn't be banned and Sofurry wouldn't have lost three loyal uses.
But we're talking the same site that upset most of the people there with poor changes back in late 2009.
Toumal saw fit to trash the site and drive a lot of people out.
Everyone there wanted Yiffstar fixed up, but he and the mods wanted Sofurry more so they "Claimed" YS was too far gone to be saved and they had no choice but to build a whole new site.
I found out of an ex mod that was all lies, YS could've been saved but Toumal wanted the new site more.
So little to no warning YS was shut down and two weeks later Sofurry mark one came online.
Biggest joke going, the site was half a day late missing the deadline, nothing worked, people couldn't log in because the sign in button didn't even work.
When we did get on most of us found the site didn't work with internet explorer where the old site did.
There was keyfeatures missing, turns out they had fallen behind and rather than wait they decided to push an unfinished and buggy site on us.
In the upcoming months 25% mof the members left, some of the best the site had.
Its why they've had to build the site twice, the new Sofurry mark two is what's running now.

I don't know.
PerroTheTraveler
6 years, 1 month ago
I think we covered this history lesson before.

Since most of my finished work is rather non furry I guess I'm a bit of a hard target.  Sorry.
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
I don't plan to let them forget.
They shaft me and I'll do the same back.
graymuzzle
6 years, 1 month ago
Banned AGAIN? How long?
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
One week.

The joke is I didn't do anything.
That same troll that stole the art I had up cried to the admin, to make matters worse the admin was KiDra.
One person who hates me as much as I hate him.
And its not ust me, he has a reputation.

They claim the drama has gone on long enough, shame they didn't feel that way when I reported the trolls and begged the mods to do something.
They didn't care then, I even reported the same the day before and warned the admin she had stolen from me and was on the warpath.


Looks like Sofurry has lost three loyal members due to Toumal siding with one troll.
With all the bad press about Sofurry almost forgetten I'm sure Toumal thinks its worth the risk.
graymuzzle
6 years, 1 month ago
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
Sadly I'm out of bandwidth.
is it the same collie vid you sent me before?
graymuzzle
6 years, 1 month ago
The girl who turns into a Collie.
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
Saw it.
Love the part at the end where her extra boobs come in.



By the way this is what Toumal said to a friend of mine.

Toumal 13 hours ago
SP was not banned "randomly". He has been warned multiple times. SP was NOT banned because of any copyright infringement claim but because of hate art. The ban reason was stated in the recent moderations forum.

So again, SP received warnings in the past. We can't keep warning people with no consequence.





Here's the reply I asked to be sent.


"No I wasn't and no the art wasn't aimed at anyone.
The art wasn't hate art but some harmless drawings aimed at no one, if Toumal and that bully KiDra followed up or even asked me to defend myself then they would've found out just how wrong they are.

Also if he and the other staff responded to mine, *******'s and ******'s reports and dealt with these trolls like the mods are meant to there wouldn't be any question of hate art now.
The only reason there's any doubt no is because the SF staff have failed to deal with these problems and instead of punishing the trolls they see fit to punish the victims.
I've had my work stolen from SF by ****** and when I reported it all I got was an excuse.
She couldn't steal our work if she had no access to Sofurry.

All Toumal has done is hurt 3 loyal members of SF and let one troll get away laughing.
Also where was ******'s ban?

Toumal bangs on about how fair SF is and how helpful the staff are, not ture.


SP."



As you can see Gray I'm a little sick of excuses and lies.
Toumal makes a big song and dance about if you have a problem report it and the friendly staff will help you.
Untrue, I've reported this problem on and off for over six months and nothing has ever been done.
If they had lifted a finger when I asked them too the right people would've been banned and SF wouldn't be losing more members.
graymuzzle
6 years, 1 month ago
*SIGH*
Your arms are too short to box with God.......
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
Toumal isn't God, just a sad person who doesn't have the balls to admit when he's wrong.
The same thing that crippled SF mark 1 and drove some of the best he had away to FA.
The same reason why he had to make SF twice.
He'll cry his eyes out the next time he f*cks up and me along with the others he's wronged rub his nose in it.

He knows full well he's in the wrong and won't admit it or even attempt to put things right.
This is why he and Sofurry will always be second place to Neer and FA, the main reason why SF doesn't have half the popularity of FA despite the work Toumal's put into it.
While Toumal is pulling these stunts he'll always lose, even with FA broken most flock to that site.
When FA went down for a week most waited for the site to come back rather than dirty themselves on SF, couldn't see that kind of loyalty happening if SF broke and it took a week to repair.


Face it, SF isn't the site it used to be.
The freedom and fairness Toumal brags about is lies, at least with Neer and FA they don't make bullsh*t promises they can't keep.
PerroTheTraveler
6 years, 1 month ago
Why yes.  God wouldn't get e-mail addresses crossed.  I'm starting to think that's what happened.

He doesn't check.  He doesn't test.  He doesn't investigate.  I suppose he did design the site but then we're back to "doesn't test".
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
I agree.

To make matters worse the same troll that got me banned on SF has ran to FA and done the same.
Now I'm banned from FA.
Not too much of a lose as I didn't upload there anymore but its the principle of the thing.
I haven't uploaded to FA in over four months, yet I found this waiting for me this morning.

This account has been suspended for TOS violations, to include:

(1) Submit material which is threatening, abusive or harmful; that violates others' privacy, that may be viewed as defamatory, libelous or illegal

(2) Attempt to get a ban enacted due to personal vendetta, on multiple occasions.



I don't upload to FA and haven't in four months, so what material I don't know.

As for the vendetta part all I can say is untrue.
I reported this person when they did wrong and nothing more, in fact I overlooked a lot more than I reported.
FA made a mistake when they overturned her ban, if they had kept her banned there wouldn't have been a problem.
She was found guilty of trolling and perma banned for it, by rights they should've left the ban in place.



I plan to fight the ban, but to be honest FA is no big loss to me if I can't get the ban overturned.
I hate what was done to FA in recent years and to be fair I haven't uploaded to FA in months so I won't miss posting my submissions there.
The only thing I'll miss is faving the art, but to be honest 90% of it is on Inkbunny and Sofurry anyway.

At least I know my troll can't touch me there.
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
EDIT.

If any trolls wish to report me for this feel free.
I've dropped no names expect members of staff nor added any links.

As far as I can see I've broken no rules.
Jovo
6 years, 1 month ago
me personally, i hate most of the sites for one reason or another... i hope once i get out of college and have a computer science degree and web design minor under my belt, that ill be able to create my own site. fair, no bullsh*t rules, and make it easy to use. sorry you have had so many problems with trolls. ill keep an eye out for more of your submissions. i love your stories! where do you usually post now?
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
I hope you do.

At the moment I'm between sites.
I can't post here due to the no human yiff rule. I can't post to Sofurry due to Toumal siding with trolls, he's upset three loyal members over this and may lose them.
I can't post to FA due to the same trolls hanging around there and reporting everything I post.

I would love to know how a collie that lives on a farm is an attack against these trolls.
Plus I keep having my work ripped off, one of the trolls is deliberately copying my work, if Toumal and KiDra bothered to check this they would see this.
But KiDra is blinded by his hate of me so much he didn't bother and just slapped me and my friend with a ban.
SwiftWindSpirit
6 years, 1 month ago
I've learned a real hard lesson about these sites.. It's not the people who run them that are the problem as much as the users themselves. I just at this point don't care because it wears me out to try to deal with sites which aren't worth the trouble nor are the users who are just as bad if not worse then the staff.

You can't expect to follow rules if the people implementing them don't follow them. It's like a disease which flows into the users themselves to where you just don't care anymore once you've dealt with a number of them. This new thing they've got where you win trophies..  I could care less one way or the other.. It's a what the and that's all I can say.

I learned a real hard lesson when I tried to get into it with Neer.. I knew I was fighting a losing battle for something I never should have gotten mixed up in. When a furry friend of mine made me realize the reality of what I had done calling them names.. It really dawned on me that I lost because I let my fuel for another user who is now sadly another FA stat of drama llama BS caused me to do a lot more stupid things then right things. You don't get it until someone you really care about tells you the truth and makes you look at yourself and how dumb it was to get mixed up in business you had no reason to be in other then you were trying to protect your e-friend's honor.

Sometimes it isn't worth it to try and prove you did something right when in their eyes you just gave them a reason to ban you. You'd be better off running your own site SP... But then you'd figure out why these big furry sites turn into pits of social dysfunction. It's just my two cents.. But like I said, you only can understand you did something wrong when you  gave them a reason to let you go.  
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
It is a shame, no sooner than I get things sorted out on Sofurry the same troll spins the staff of Furaffinity the same story and gets me banned there too.

If it isn't bad enough she starks my accounts and steals from me she goes and does this too.


Yet she has the nerve to ask why so many people have attacked her.
SwiftWindSpirit
6 years, 1 month ago
Maybe it is Scriggles in drag.. :o
sp
sp
6 years, 1 month ago
It wouldn't matter if it was, the FA staff never check into anything.
Rebbeca
6 years ago
I completely agree with you on this, sp. Also if you're wondering who this is, it's Don-Clemente.
sp
sp
6 years ago
Sad isn't it.
It took nearly world war 3 to break out on SF before the staff listened to me, sadly by this point the same troll got us banned on FA by pulling the same trick again.

At the moment there seems to be peace with her but the other two are now shouting the odds on a blog site, unprovoked as we all backed down at the same time, then a few days ago they started again.
But it won't get me down, I've just posted some new art.
Keristrasza
6 years ago
this may sound odd, but im actually curious now as to who the troll was lol, if you dont mind send me a PM of the name so  can go look at this, and also, yea ive had tons of issues with SF as well, i was actually working on a series of stories there and someone stole the work from it and i found it on FA and when i reported it there, and linked it back to my originals, the mods there turned around and sent a note to SF saying something along the lines of i have stolen art and i got banned off SF as well, and this happened because the person had taken my story and made 2 additional chapters to it and claimed the entire thing was theirs.
sp
sp
6 years ago
To tell you the truth this is old news.
The trolls have backed down, just like I've done.
The SF staff are a little wiser and not so quick to jump.

Sadly the same can't be said for FA, but to be honest I hadn't uploaded to FA in months due to untrue reports or having my work stolen.
So in the end all I used that site for was talking to friends and faving art, not really a big loss.



I've found trolls no matter who their are deep down are just overgrown children, stop the game being fun and they'll leave you alone.
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