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Ainoko

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To get a confessed pedophile banned from EQLA.

https://www.change.org/petitions/equestria-la-ban-max-v...

Now most of my watchers know, I am not a major MLP fan or supporter, however, in the interest of wanting EQLA to be a safe place for con goers I would like to  get this petition out and signed by as many people as possible.

https://www.change.org/petitions/equestria-la-ban-max-v...

Yes, ponies are a spinoff form the furry community, but I am sure that all of you will agree that known and self confessed pedophiles should NOT be allowed to attend at all. What makes this bad is that some of the con staff is turning a blind eye to this issue and refusing to keep this person out. I encourage you, my watchers to go sign the petition: https://www.change.org/petitions/equestria-la-ban-max-v... and spread the word as well.

for more information as to what is going on, click the links (these links are open to he general public):

http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3385566.html

http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3387683.html

 

Word to the wise, I will perma-block anyone who is abusive to others this is your one and only warning, and this applies to the bronies as well.
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Added: 6 years ago
 
Shokuji
6 years ago
I only read a little bit, but this is silly. If he actually raped someone (forcing sex through violence or threats); Report him to the police! Or just have the girl report this guy, they'd have to at least question him about it and that's better than any petition, I'd imagine.
Ainoko
6 years ago
I agree, but the victim doesn't want the authorities involved. But I am fairly certain that someone did report this to the proper authorities.
BunnyFoxglove
6 years ago
There was no force or threats, she says she did it to make him stop whining and leave.... that's hardly what I would call coercion or rape. This is a case of people getting involved with each other when they shouldn't, and regretting their decisions later.
Shokuji
6 years ago
That's pretty much what I thought was going on too. Unless the guy forced sex on her after she firmly declined it's not rape. I bet if she held out the guy would have simply dropped her off at home or whatever and nothing would have happened. But if she really did feel threatened at the time, she should have said so because for all we know the guy could have just been insisting (but not forcing). If someone first declines and then reconsiders and participates it's simply not rape (under the proper definition of rape). But that's all I'm going to say on it. If it's really rape I'm sure the correct actions will be taken by someone, otherwise she's just regretting not sticking to her guns and wanted to cause the guys some trouble. [shrugs]
PsyChuan
6 years ago
Shokuji
6 years ago
+1

"Pedophile" is rarely used correctly anymore.
PsyChuan
6 years ago
Aye. Honestly, at sixteen she knows what she's doing. He's not a paedophile. She was coerced, which makes him a scumbag, but this is, at most, statutory rape.
Ainoko
6 years ago
And the petition was updated, he was banned EQLA
PsyChuan
6 years ago
Well congratulations.
Tycloud
6 years ago
If a crime was commited, then call the police.  Petitions only fuel drama.
Ainoko
6 years ago
The victim in this case doesn't want the authorities involved due to how victims of sexual assault are treated. The petition was created because the person in question is going to be in a position of authority, has admitted in forums that he had coerced sex with the girl. When the head of the con was presented with the evidence, she refused to ban him. I don't know about you, but I would rather sign the petition to force the ban rather than sit on my thumb up my ass spinning like a top doing nothing.

The problem with you or I reporting the sexual assault is that the information will be construed as 2nd and 3rd hand and they will most likely do nothing about it.

Think of it this way, what if your daughter or son was going to a convention where a confessed molester is going to be working, are you going to sit by and let that person work there or are you going to do what it takes to get them banned?
Tycloud
6 years ago
Id rather leave it to the people who are trained in dealing with law offenses.  Honestly, It doesn't matter what the victim wants.  If there was an offense it needs to be dealt with by professionals and not us.  And if i do ever have kids and they become teenagers at age 16 i know they are going to have sex regardless if i sign a petition or not.  Stopping somebody from attending a brony con isnt going to stop teenagers from having sex.
elix
6 years ago
Okay. Is the victim legally considered under the age of consent in California? If so, I'm fairly sure that you, or anyone else who knows, is required by law to report child abuse to the authorities, or else face the possible consequences of being an accessory to the crime for not reporting it. It's one of the few cases that invokes mandatory reporting.

I'm not an expert in California law, but these mandatory reporting laws are pretty widespread in North America. So, yeah, police. Banning him from a con does nothing except keep him out of your playground.
Lightpaw
6 years ago
The American legal system *is* founded on the principle of presumed innocence.  If the con chooses not to ban him out of fear of a lawsuit and the courts choose to not prosecute him due to a lack of evidence then I must say; it sounds like someone somewhere may be stirring a big cauldron of drama.  Perhaps he poses a threat, but even if that is the case an online petition does not seem like the solution.  In fact, it seems downright dangerous and libelous.
RMoD
6 years ago
That last line, so much.  If he hasn't been charged then this could turn out to be a massive clusterfuck.  The only hope I have is that if it turns into a clusterfuck, that the judge in question would say they have the right to refuse admission to anyone for any reason, which would be a true statement.
Ainoko
6 years ago
I agree, but why not ban someone who has stated that they had sex with a minor, is proud of it, when they ban people for far less?
Lightpaw
6 years ago
"Due to how victims...are treated?"  Great pains have been taken to enact a safe network for victims of sexual assault nationwide.  The resources' and protections' accessibility, anonymity, and support exceed even those for the victims of violent assault, torture, or attempted murder.  If she is afraid of society causing some sort of shame for her, that is her prerogative, unlikely thought it may be.  But this petition flies in the face of law and order.  If she wants her attacker punished she must find the strength to get him tried.  This man may have a strong case in his defense.

Bear in mind, in the vast majority of jurisdictions intercourse between a sixteen and twenty one year old is legal.  I was pursuing intercourse at that age with older men, and I would be loathe to hear them called pedophiles.  The word is heavily charged and in this situation feels like an ad hominem and fallacious attack, opens the petitioner to allegations of libel, and distorts the facts.  

I see what you are conveying in your metaphor, and though I feel important facets have been changed in it; yes, I would.  I would fear for my child less there than at school or staying with family, statistically much more dangerous places to be than 'at a con with a confessed molester'.
RMoD
6 years ago
Just...why would you not want to get the authorities involved.  I truly do not understand why.

Of course, I've never been raped, god forbid that ever happen, so I've not no place saying what they should do or what they shouldn't do.

It just seems logical when a crime is committed to report the crime.
Ainoko
6 years ago
The victim in this case doesn't want the authorities involved due to how victims of sexual assault are treated. The petition was created because the person in question is going to be in a position of authority, has admitted in forums that he had coerced sex with the girl. When the head of the con was presented with the evidence, she refused to ban him. I don't know about you, but I would rather sign the petition to force the ban rather than sit on my thumb up my ass spinning like a top doing nothing.

The problem with you or I reporting the sexual assault is that the information will be construed as 2nd and 3rd hand and they will most likely do nothing about it.

Think of it this way, what if your daughter or son was going to a convention where a confessed molester is going to be working, are you going to sit by and let that person work there or are you going to do what it takes to get them banned?
RMoD
6 years ago
My point is more now that this petition could easily be viewed as libel/slander if no charges have been or are going to be filed.  If the head of the con were to have banned this person on this petition's info, the person could easily have a huge libel/slander lawsuit on his hands that he would win.

This entire thing could be avoided simply by accusing him formally so he is put under investigation, THEN the con would be able to avoid being sued out the ass.
yiharbin
6 years ago
THAT GUY NEEDS HUNG OLD WEST STYLE
WHAT HE DID IS NOT ONLY BULLSHIT, BUT UNFORGIVABLE
C0baltblaze
6 years ago
I believe that there should be more done than this, they should have prohibitions on these people making sure that if they are seen all people have to do is report the sighting, just posting a collection of faces localy for a con or event with faces of each person close  by or within a 100mile radius based on interests and other factors  people could freely report people for breaking their conditions of freedom.
PsyChuan
6 years ago
Quick point; conditional freedom isn't freedom.
C0baltblaze
6 years ago
what is freedom the right to do whatever you want regardless of the repurcussions? or is it the right to live your life free of being a slave to anyone but yourself, the reality is laws are there to keep people safe from those genuinely fucked up people who would rape someone because they cannot get i any other way because laws are so fucked up they prohibit whatever is deemed in human eyes to be harmful. the fact will remain that without a perfect system in place where people stop worrying about being percieved as a tyrannical individual because they would go to such lengths to make sure people are safe and cannot do genuinely fucked up things.

I can understand teens and their discovering of their sexualitys and pretty much doing things regardless of parents wishes and because i understand this I believe they have the right to make any decision on their own whether it be sex with whomever so long as consent is used (consent: the defining point between a YES and a NO) but thing is its adults like the one/ones mentioned that makes people think all of the above is wrong despite the facts, prohibition is the way to go no matter what your opinion is its the only solution to make sure people like this cannot have a chance to do anything they should not even be doing to begin with.
Psycho333
6 years ago
I signed
AnubusKiren
5 years, 11 months ago
I realize I'm a month late, so this doesn't matter much, but I'm going through InkBunny notifications (which I sorely neglect).

This just looks like a witch hunt to me.  I'd never sign such a ridiculous petition.
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