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Summercat homophophic FA admin

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http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/124787-Drugs-and...

This bitch got me permabanned from FA forums for daring to ask why FA is banning the mention of drug use and why dragoneer went back on his word that sonic and human ages would be applied to anthro characters.  That deserves a permaban I guess.  Yet, she goes a step further and says that people calling others fags as a derogatory term is acceptable by some Japanese meaning of the word?  wut?  This is entirely offensive.

She needs to be banned and removed from any position of power from any board.  She is an ass.  

So for all you people who care something about this, demand her removal when FA finally comes up.  Write dragoneer and call him a homophobe if he doesnt.

so who is outraged about this????
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Added: 6 years, 1 month ago
 
Stumpycoon
6 years, 1 month ago
Hopeless, as if FA didn't have enough technical problems to worry about, without adding shoddy administration...
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
Actually the shoddy admins were there long before the hardware and security problems.
Stumpycoon
6 years, 1 month ago
Well, yes...
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
no no no....this is a chance to stand up against homophobia....tell dragoneer we will not accept people excusing calling people fags on his forums
Stumpycoon
6 years, 1 month ago
It's sad beyond words that Dragoneer allows it and needs to be told.  x_x
wolfstar124
6 years, 1 month ago
he won't do anything about it, he's one of those people you might see in a back alley handing out candy to get children to follow him
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
Dragoneer is a shitty admin. I'll outright say that.

Remember the 2008 note leak? When Zaush/Adam Wan allegedly raped someone? And that person complained to 'Neer? And he told her to be quiet about it? Because he's a huge contributor to the site financially, and didn't want to press charges?
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
It's getting more interesting....the admin who permabanned me, also excused any use of the word fag...saying its acceptable.....they just keep digging a hole deeper for themselves
SenGrisane
6 years, 1 month ago
You only posted once. When where you banned? immediately? But people keep posting in this thread.
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
yes, permabanned immediately for darirng to question policy
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
yes summercat immaitely banned me for ideas
" SenGrisane wrote:
You only posted once. When where you banned? immediately? But people keep posting in this thread.
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
Also, she's right. It's used all the time on 4chan.

The banning may not have been just, but her explanation is exactly how its used elsewhere.

http://i.imgur.com/sHXVR.jpg
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
-jin isn't slang, which is the implied meaning. That suffix has actual meaning as a different reading of the Kanji for person, "nin" ( 人 ). "***" is slang, and designed to be offensive and derogatory right out of the gate.

If you want more info: http://japanese.about.com/library/blkod41.htm "nin" is a grade 1 kanji.
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
I meant the way they (4chan) append -fag to anything judiciously. Sure, it may have started out that "fag" was used offensively, but over time, the culture of the place just accepted it and rolled with it. So you get things like "summerfag" or "newfag" or "furfag". Most times it's used casually and ironically. Of course, once it caught on, it spilled out onto other sites like ED, FA, Reddit, FB, etc.
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
I'd argue with using ED, 4chan and Reddit as legitimate reasons for it, but I'm biased against them due to how they and their users have treated me in the past.

Still, the same can be said for the "n" word with how many people use it, but it really doesn't take away the stigma for a lot of people who were and are affected by it.  Even using "fag" as a suffix really doesn't change it's meaning (disclaimer: writer who studies etymology in hir spare time, not a professional).  It just tries to water down the meaning by attaching another word to it.

For the record, "-nin" and "-jin" aren't suffixes in the same way as what Summercat was explaining. (disclaimer: I study Japanese in my spare time as well) Due to how the Japanese language is, "-nin" and "-jin" are required in most cases as a part of what would be a single word in English, such as "criminal" (han-nin) or Person "from" Japan (nihon-jin). Unlike a suffix, they actually form part of a subject, object, adjective, or descriptor.  In the example Summercat gave, "nekojin" means "cat people", but 4chan would call them "nekofags" as they always have. Don't... ask how I know this. PAinful memories.
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
Honestly, the point of 4chan is to be anonymous. That means you can use it as a shield and deflect any sort of hateful words or criticism. It allows you to separate ego from your posts, so by that same token, you're dealing with a faceless mob. Why would you let the words of a faceless mob hurt you?
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
In this case, it wasn't so much words as it was a complete and utter defacing of my old YouTube channel (in the case of 4Chan and, at the time, a YouTube channel called Retsupurey).  I was attacked for wearing neko ears and paw warmers in a few of my random videos, for being a furry, and a few other things.  Took me two months of work to clean up my channel.

Actually, Reddit also managed to drag me through the mud for a blog post I made about an HP system and UEFI giving me hell, going so far as to allowing my private information to be posted and THEN defending the poster.
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
Ah, so an actual raid. That can be rough. Happens, unfortunately.
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
you are missing the point that an admin basically said its acceptable.  doesnt matter the context, admins should not be voicing that
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
Umm... hon... calm down a bit. I was talking about a completely different incident.  I agree with you, and I've been complaining about it as well.
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
no sorry they are wrong, fag should NEVER EVER be tolerated by any group period.  For an admin to condone this simply means they are not fit to be an admin, and Summercat needs to step down
Danjen
6 years, 1 month ago
Well, I mean you could try being less offended by it. I've had plenty of people call me a fag and I didn't give one fuck.
fluffdance
6 years, 1 month ago
Speaking as Summercat's ex, I can tell you two things:  *HE* is not racist, and not homophobic.

As for the rest of it?  I can't comment, as I didn't witness it.
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
they perma-banned me for questioning policy immediately....this is no site deserving of donations. which can not even answer questions
fluffdance
6 years, 1 month ago
<nods>  FA's administration policy is something I've openly challenged for years, now, and I don't see it getting better any time soon.  I posted a journal on the subject a few hours prior to the latest outage; effectively, the FA admins' recurring behavior portrays them as anti-furry trolls, rather than moderators and administrators working for the benefit of the community and fandom.
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
Summercat has been EXTREMELY on edge since the whole disaster started. He said he was stepping back, but he's been trigger-happy even after supposedly cooling down. And for the record, cobra's perma-ban was indeed pretty much instantaneous.
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
does not matter.  to condone calling people fags means he is making FA liable for antidiscriscrimiation lawsuits
fluffdance
6 years, 1 month ago
Negative.  Private membership organizations are exempt from discrimination laws.
Teddy
6 years, 1 month ago
" fluffdance wrote:
Negative.  Private membership organizations are exempt from discrimination laws.


What's "private membership" about FA?  Anyone can join for free.. and I had no problem reading that post without any form of membership.
fluffdance
6 years, 1 month ago
FA is not a for-profit business, nor is it a registered Non-Profit/Charity organization.  There is no requirement to pay to be there, nor does its activity or content fall under employment, benefit, service or sales laws in regards to discrimination policies, ergo it is a private membership organization.
Teddy
6 years, 1 month ago
Gotcha.. I was reading it as literal, not as a term.
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
hate speech laws apply in several jurisdictions to people on the street, they apply to FA as well
Meowz
6 years, 1 month ago
It could all be so simple. If somebody is offended by being called X, the person having done that would just say I'm sorry, and that's that. No harm done.

Whatever happened to the good old 3 rule system?

1. Use common sense.
2. Don't be easily offended.
3. Don't offend easily.

This doesn't need policing, just communication. And just because it's alright to call me nigger in harlem, it's not okay to do it elsewhere. I meant fag in 4chan. Whatever. People need hugs. More hugs.
Kusaragi
6 years, 1 month ago
It's hard to have open communication, when you can't post your thoughts or concerns in an open and non-hostile location. With Cobra's perma-ban a sit-down to cool nerves isn't really viable. And with how Summercat reacted to the first post, a resolution seems far off.
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
It'll never come to that. Even if it did, you could expect fierce resistance and threats from the likes of 4chan and reddit.
zarek13
6 years, 1 month ago
Good luck with that  because just like the teachers here in California, no one can do jack shit to them. If FA is what I think it is then they will turn a blind eye and go "lalalalalala Oh how wonderful this forum is we are so awesome lalalalalala."
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
sorry, that is wrong.  slander and other suits are now aviaiblible federadarlly
" zarek13 wrote:
Good luck with that  because just like the teachers here in California, no one can do jack shit to them. If FA is what I think it is then they will turn a blind eye and go "lalalalalala Oh how wonderful this forum is we are so awesome lalalalalala."
Windrider07
6 years, 1 month ago
Summercat has always been a shitty admin, probably the worst on FA. I'm surprised he hasn't been stripped of his admin powers.
Teddy
6 years, 1 month ago
You know what other word is watered down by over usage?  Nigger. I mean, it's so watered down it's used on television. I'd still dare that bitch to go up to some African American person and call them a nigger.. she's end up in emergency or worse.  I'd post telling her so, but I don't have an FA account because I don't give a crap what those asshats do over there.
bencoon
6 years, 1 month ago
Summercat's a dude.

Just throwin' that out there.
CharlesDragon
6 years, 1 month ago
Here FA New Modal.

Furr Anfanty We don't care about anyone but our selfs
yadre
6 years, 1 month ago
... you got PERMA-banned for asking a QUESTION? What the FUCK?
yadre
6 years, 1 month ago
Oh, incidentally, I'll be journaling about this, but figure I'll do itlater since no one is likely to read my journals at 6 am EST xD
Mewtwolover
6 years, 1 month ago
Permabanned?! Don't know if he's lying but he says it's only a day off here: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/124791-Since-I-g...

I agree with you that he needs to be at least removed from any position of power. He has always white-knighted for Dragoneer.

That Sonic porn ban is most likely Sciggles' idea(see her IB page and notice the profile), she's Dragoneer's fiance so she can easily manipulate him.

Here's some links that will explain the situation and why FA is sinking ship.
FA Sonic porn ban thread on Lulz(link is to one of the most important posts): http://lulz.net/furi/res/2278278.html#2279886
Vivisector's FA section(I recommend to follow this and Lulz regularly): https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?board=13.0
ED article about FA: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/FurAffinity
ED article about Dragoneer: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Dragoneer
phydoux
6 years, 1 month ago
with all the mod-drama over there, i've decided that all my furry updates will only occur on this site.
call it a personal protest, i hope more join in as well
TailsyFox
6 years, 1 month ago
if there is any way to punish or remove crap admins from power, i have yet to see it..i've seen quite a few sites corrupt because of admins playing macho behind the screen -sigh-
PlatinumPen
6 years, 1 month ago
Man I wish I could draw just so I can do a furry/human piece with Jr. from Xenosaga (he looks 12 but is in reality 26) Might have a bit more to say on this later but first I have to do some digging on facts.
jmac32here
6 years, 1 month ago
Summer is a she.. Spoke with her once at a con.  Claims to be the Neer's mate.. so I don't think he'd remove her from power.
GallowsGryph
6 years, 1 month ago
Are you sure that was Summer, or Sciggles?
jmac32here
6 years, 1 month ago
She introduced herself as Summer.
Kickinthehead
6 years, 1 month ago
See here's the problem ( and let me start off by saying this does not apply to all furs and that a lot of this has to do with psychology) when people who don't really matter in real life, that means they are not of high social status, there job is unimportant, low self esteem, or who have no real way of making themselves more important or valuable, they have to supplement this feeling of inadequacy with something or some position. And a good number of furs ( well a good number of the ones ive run into recently) are not important and fill the void by coming to communities like this to help themselves gain more status or self esteem.In some ways its positive. but its also negative. Its blatantly apparent with artist like Jay Naylor, his art style to me is great but his ego is bigger than the globe. Just look at his prices. (He thinks he is the most amazing person in this universe, that his ideals on sexism and conservatism are the only viewpoints in the world, anyone who disagrees or gives him constructive criticism is immediately blocked and trolled because they cant defend themselves anymore, and he generally is an ass) but another example is the people who admin fur affinity. i dont know them personally and i don't open my mouth at all on that site, but it sounds like these people once started out with a noble cause but absolute power corrupts absolutely. they saw that they had power and importance that they didnt have in real life. And they became almost like dictators in a sense. There rule is law on the internet and they feel powerful
Kickinthehead
6 years, 1 month ago
also i found it quite entertaining what a fellow fur said one time. He goes " that's the bad thing about furry artist and admins, they find themselves high and mighty on the internet but if shit hit the fan tomorrow and there was no internet tomorrow they wouldn't mean shit or be valuable. If we had the apocalypse tomorrow and became roving bands of raiders it would be fucking awesome! :D but lets say we stumble upon a situation. We send out Bob and Ted for a hunting/scavenging party. They are riding in a 3 person vehicle and come across 3 people. One is Jay Naylor, one is dragoneer, and one is the lowest payed engineer at an architectural company. There gonna ask hey do u have any useful skills dragonner is gonna say I AM A MOD GOD!!!!!!! *gunshot* next jay naylor is going to say Im the greatest furry artist of all time. Bobs gonna go really? Never heard of u.*click* I can draw furry smut. Teds says is it good?? he shows them previous work. Teds excited but Bob ask does it have a good story and believable? no......... *gunshot* move on to the last guy what can you do?? i can design buildings and over see construction. Bob and Ted both say Get in the truck
Sellestia
6 years, 1 month ago
I think someone with allot of money and really likes the furry community and is tired of hearing all the crap that is happening on FA should buy FA and get rid of the dipshits running it. But that's just what I think... wish I had enough money to buy FA and such... wonder how much it would cost to do so.
Yiffox
6 years, 1 month ago
what they dont understand is by constantly pissing off artists and users, they wont get donations, they will inspire attacks against them, and will eventually cause their downfall
Inu1990x
6 years, 1 month ago
i kinda see there kinda stupid you only post voka and  bills that sell in every market  for every time use
you never talk about getting high  they were the one who starting talking  about it
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