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Aggressive/Submissive themes. Why is this common?

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I don't really get it. I see this over and over and over in furry art and some anime. You have the whimpering frightened looking submissive character having an orgasm, while the dominant sinister/evil/angery/smirking character is doing whatever to them. I don't find this attractive at all. In fact it's boring because I see it constantly. Why is this a common theme/fetish?  I realize I do have this combo in some of my art, but it's not a major thing with me.

I guess it's a cultural thing, seeing as how you can flip on the TV and see a guy getting mutilated for free, yet you have to go out of your way to see porn on a TV (excluding the internet of course). So voilence and horror are fine and common place and sex is most acceptable when forced?  Eh..am I the only person that has a problem with this?
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Added: 7 years, 10 months ago
 
Siraj
7 years, 10 months ago
I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about xD Complaining about lack of consensual enjoyment or just turning the tables?
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
Complaining mostly heh.
Just wondering why it's common in furry porn and anime.
Siraj
7 years, 10 months ago
I figure that sort of thing is common just because that's usually how it goes down :P You have the sub and dom; one who gets fucked, and the ones that gets fucked.
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
Well yes, That's the mechanical relationship, but what I was getting at was the attitudes, or emotional stance of the characters or people.
Siraj
7 years, 10 months ago
Oh, that, yeah, I agree with you there... super sub is boring as hell and guy-who-grunts-at-the-slightest-shove is irritating too :P I like role reversal myself.
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
XD Yes. Role Reversal is pretty fun. Like a small cub getting dommy with a bigger guy ^^
Siraj
7 years, 10 months ago
Yeah, exactly l3 Though I do love it when they dom bottom bigger guys >D
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
^^ Yeah! Hehehe! I love that as well.
Matrixbeast
7 years, 10 months ago
I find it boring too...
But then again, it takes some weird shit to turn me on nowadays :P
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
Hah! I know the feeling.
Chibii
7 years, 10 months ago
i guess its just a common thing. some people are sub some are dom some are switch and furries go to extreams most of the time so its always a very intense theme.

its something people understand and have in common so it becomes common. i like it alot personally, but i also really like the types of subjects that are rare, and the ones you dont see everyday, or even the subjects that you hardly ever see, thoes are the things that get me excited :p
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
Hmm..a very intense theme. I suppose it can be ^^;; I just don't relate to it as much I guess. Subjects you hardly ever see? Like what? :)
Chibii
7 years, 10 months ago
i dunno, interesting sexual situations, and differnt places to do it in. water sports, incest, just to name a few
Whippy
7 years, 9 months ago
Not bad, not bad at all ^^
supremekitten
7 years, 10 months ago
The desire to submit, to be owned, to release the power and with it the responsibility. the desire to dominate, to control, to have power and to show power. It's a contrast thing related to two of the most primal human desires/needs. Most subs wish for powerful doms, and most doms wish for weak subs, although this is not always the case.
Of course it is all much more complex.
Whippy
7 years, 9 months ago
Hmm..to release responsibility...I can relate to that. Theodor Reik wrote a pretty interesting book about masochism.  Here's a quote from wikipedia.
" In Masochism  in Modern Man (1941), Reik argues that patients who engage in self-punishing or provocative behavior do so in order to demonstrate their emotional fortitude, induce guilt in others, and achieve a sense of "victory through defeat.
ElMatto
7 years, 10 months ago
It's whatever to me, lol. You have a more "get butt pounded in a cute way" style. Which is awesome. And more awesome when they're just doing stuff like POOPING! :P ;)
Whippy
7 years, 9 months ago
^_^ I can't agree more with you kind sir
Meowz
7 years, 10 months ago
Everything that has to do with sex but strays from vanilla is bound to have a special place in the hearts of many, simply because it is a major turn on doing something (or not doing something) that they cannot get *normally*. If it's a taboo, that  makes it more interesting to begin with.

Honestly, I find vanilla sex quite boring, unless it's real. In role-play, it's so boring, I just don't do it. Every other situation is, however, more interesting. And if these are socially unacceptable, or outright sadistic sometimes, that doesn't make me want them to happen to me in real life. I just enjoy the pure thrill. Getting thrill, kicks and whatnot from what's forbidden, forgotten, shunned and otherwise met with disgust, pity or silence, shock or just ... wide eyes, frowns or whatever, everything that isn't vanilla, is automatically more interesting.

That's it, I think.
WeaselNip
7 years, 10 months ago
I dunno, I think it can be pretty hot, if I'm in the right mood. If I'm not, I look at something else.  ^.^
MrSOCKS
7 years, 10 months ago
It's a man thing, Looqi. The whole macho dominator/conqueror thing. Instinctual on a very real level for many guys. Trust me, I know this kink well.
As for your second point, our society is so polluted with cruelty, hatred, self-loathing, and sadism, that such wretchedness makes its way onto TV all the time. We've reached the point of disgusting depravity where pain, misery and bloody violence are more attractive than love, joy, happiness and enjoyment of life. Thank God I'll never have kids.
Teko
7 years, 10 months ago
I've never gotten it either. I much prefer to see everyone enjoying themselves, not in pain.
samsondrave
7 years, 10 months ago
Ask Dr. Gwen.  She probably knows better than I.
DaddyDuckyBE
7 years, 10 months ago
For me, it's definitely the competitive, social-Darwinistic culture based upon and maintained by the sado-masochistic Authoritarian personality type repressive towards peaceful, co-operative sensuality, whereby the frustration resulting from this masochistic repression is used to sadistically pass on these values.

It's the Spirit of Capitalism with its inhuman performance principle, it's what corrupted the Enlightenment, creating purely instrumental reason concerned with rude efficiency instead of humanitarianism, and introduced the Inquisition to Christianity. It brought about the Graeco-Roman drive towards abstract logical thinking, and it's where most of Leviticus ("Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind", "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.", etc.) stems from.

Ultimately, it all goes back to the Indo-European warrior role model, and how the pre-historical conflict between proto-Indo-Europeans and the Maternal Megalith Culture created Western gender roles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compuls...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angst_und_Vorurteil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabu_Homosexualit%C3%A4t
KrofGninut
7 years, 9 months ago
I swear, it still sounds like you're just stringing words together. Maybe it's just me that doesn't understand, but if nobody understands you, you are essentially talking to yourself.
No offense.
DaddyDuckyBE
7 years, 9 months ago
Who says nobody understands me? *facepalms* I never made any of this up, I'm only quoting the Frankfurt School, you know.

Of course, this approach is academic and scientific, which usually requires some education, and I've tried to give some hints on what to read up on in order to not be confused anymore. Currently, I'm reading Marcuse (One-dimensional man, to be specific), another book which basically says what I've been quoting above.
PeachClover
7 years, 9 months ago
It's not that what you have said is not understandable, but what you have said has NOTHING to do with the topic of this journal.
PeachClover
7 years, 9 months ago
Actually, my last reply didn't express what I really wanted to say, but instead of explaining it, let me respond to your original post with This Short Video.
Lightfox
7 years, 10 months ago
I kinda agree, i never understood either what's with that kind of contradictory behavior of a sub of having a NC expression on his/her face and a positive physical response. I tend to like mutual passion much much more x3
Cascadiarch
7 years, 10 months ago
Don't like something that some other people do? Complain about it!

Don't you love the internet?
Whippy
7 years, 10 months ago
^_^ heck yeah! It's really just the presentation that bugs me. Not the act itself.
Cascadiarch
7 years, 9 months ago
I like both the presentation and the act.
Whippy
7 years, 9 months ago
Nothing wrong with that. Heh, the act can be quite fun ;)
HeavyheartHare
7 years, 10 months ago
Not at all bunny bud. Truth be known, that bothers me a bit too. I am more into mutual lovings/cuddlings/huggings, and sex like that, to me, is awesomes.

I sometimes say the word sub, but mostly because I like shy characters, and I guess shy = sub to me. What can I say. Meanwhile, it really makes me worry about humanity since it seems the entirety of our race have our ideals/priorities all screwed up.

Another example of this: the police here care less about people throwing their trash carelessly to the side of the road, or blasting their bass so loud you can hear it blocks away... no... they only go after the people doing 5mph over the speed limit :/
MichaelJBear
7 years, 10 months ago
Not at all Looq... I'm in the affectuous side... like cuddling... kisses... take my time and give pleasure to the other. But today it seem's that violence is even gaining on sex life...
GreenReaper
7 years, 10 months ago
This video explains it fairly well, in a roundabout way.
Quiet269
7 years, 9 months ago
There's a lot of different reasons for it, and it usually varies from person to person.

I'm not really into it myself, but I've talked with people that are, and they have some interesting reasoning behind it.
otherart
7 years, 9 months ago
Some people can't get enough of it. I don' care for it myself.
PeachClover
7 years, 9 months ago
How can I explain this without exploding?...

For furries, it is easy to be submissive because harmlessness attracts attention; this is universal, there are studies about it.  Being submissive means attracting those around you to give you positive attention which is usually desperately needed by the sub types (joke) whom, for various social reasons, are not receiving positive attention in their everyday life.

Doms are usually not really interested in harming, degrading, or treating unfairly, but the same society that says dictates that submissive=harmless also manifests that domination=success.  When doms are sexually acting outside of the norm it is usually to get a reaction out of the sub which is in and of itself an affirmation to both that the act is actually happening and is by this display of control, an act unchallengeable by society.

In short, the collective mentalities of the dom/sub relationship is a sublimation of social frustration into acts of sexual freedom.
DaddyDuckyBE
7 years, 9 months ago
I think I can agree with you on the dom side being due to the fact that Western culture is about domination.

But how does your theory on sub explain the fact it always seems like 90 percent of people on F-list are subs that nobody ever cares about because everybody is desperately looking for the fabled doms nobody seems to have ever seen for real? Being sub doesn't seem to make you terribly popular there. :P

My take on it is rather that of the Authoritarian personality (masochistic sub, and loyal, sadistic soldier when it comes to defending the established ways and passing on its values) and its counterpart, Social Dominance Orientation (dom, and sadistically making up people's ways from scratch): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dominance_orientation
PeachClover
7 years, 9 months ago
I'm a little surprised I have to answer this for you.  Online it doesn't matter, but in person it matters because there is only a certain extent of emotional satisfaction that one can derive from the internet.

Your second paragraph makes antisense to me.
DaddyDuckyBE
7 years, 9 months ago
You make it sound like there's just no porn or sex on the internet because people find online sex so boring. :P

As for my second paragraph, didn't you check out my one post further above with that link list?
PeachClover
7 years, 9 months ago
Sex on the internet is fun, but not emotionally satisfying.

And no, I didn't look at your other post.
KrofGninut
7 years, 9 months ago
What people put out in the form of the arts (or what kinds of art appeal to them) is a reflection of the subconscious. Take KORN for example; I listened to it as a teen because I related to inner pain conveyed, but as an adult who has more or less resolves his issues, I find it repulsive.
People probably relate to malevolent doms on weak subs because they relate to the power disparity of being a child in a family. Society has this weird notion that once someone turns 20 or so, everything that happened before never happened and the person is supposed to act accordingly. Things like KORN allow one to sort of acknowledge the problem and feel like one is doing something about it without identifying or resolving it.
Whippy
7 years, 9 months ago
Thank you. Finally somebody gets it :P
I used to listen to that band as well. Then I just didn't feel like being angry at the world so much anymore and got into Euro Dance and Trance music. I gave some old friends of mine a ride in my car listeing some of it and they didn't like it at all lol.

But as for the topic of S&M, yes, it's amazing how people believe that 20 years of growing up - with all the differces in families and relationships etc - is supposed to produce a model citizen every time. I read something once about how if a child is punished way too much or raised in an overly strict/harsh way that they could become masochistic as a way of dealing with it. Funny thing is, is that masochism isn't always sexual like people think it is.
KrofGninut
7 years, 9 months ago
Oh yes, masochism has a very funny way of happening. I'm not enough of an expert to know for sure, but I've heard of several ways it could happen. One is that a child will act negatively to get negative attention just to get attention at all (if you're a prisoner in a dungeon, the last thing you want is for people to forget you're down there; even if the guards like to beat you, they still got to feed you to keep you alive to beat). I suppose eventually pain becomes associated with life-essentials, and becomes desired.
TayFerret
7 years, 1 month ago
Old journal, but...

Yeah, I've noticed that, too! Nobody else seems to see it! I see tons of pictures where one character has a sly, evil grin and the other looks scared or unsure, even when they're not technically supposed to be "domination" pictures. And some furs only talk about sex in terms of "dom", "sub", and "switch", but those certainly aren't the only categories. I really prefer when two (or more) people/anthros are equally interested in pleasing each other.

I think it's especially bad with cub porn. It's like it's always coercive or it's some kind of punishment (whether sincere or playful). Or like adult furs just want something tight and small to fuck and don't care about making the cub happy. (But there is a lot of really sweet cub stuff out there too. :) )
Whippy
7 years, 1 month ago
Yes yes yes! That "scared unsure" thing in pictures can often be a turn off for me. I can understand if their mouth is open wide in the middle of it, squealing out loud, or gritting teeth though. It never seemed realistic to have a frightened or terrified character with a raging hard on, it just wouldn't work IRL and doesn't make sense physically. But with a dom sub thing, I guess since they're two "opposites" ppl figure they are the only combo that works together.

With cub porn, I couldn't agree with you more. It's also very rare to see the cub actually dominating the adult (which I find pretty hot ^^). It's usually the cuteness of it all that gets me though :) And that's something that often gets shoved aside when the artist is too busy making gritty sub dom pics.
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