A little thing that occured to me in my on-going search to find somebody who can do an on-model, Bluth-style Feivel Mousekevitz face b/w lineart for an An American Tail 25th Anniversary Tribute pic. It's about an FA artist who's at about this level of quality: https://inkbunny.net///submissionview.php?id=103601 Especially in his coloring. DISCLAIMER: The linked artist has nothing to do with the artist I'm talking about below other than that their quality is similar.
ARTIST: Hey, I'm currently going bankrupt here. Can't pay my employees! I'll do sketches for 10 bucks!
ARTIST: UPDATE: Heck, you know what? I've decided to do fullly shaded greyscale paintings for all of you for the same price!
ME: Hey, could I get a simple sketch for those 10 bucks? Doesn't even have to be shaded or anything. If I like it, I may even commish a bigger lineart of the same thing.
ARTIST: Cool beans! Gonna note ya someday!
ONE WEEK LATER.
ARTIST: Hey, thanks to everybody who sent me money! I'm ending this sketch commission offer now.
ME: What about my request for a slot that I made before you've called quits now? Is it still valid?
ARTIST: (switches to notes) I'm game! What did you want me to do again?
ME: I'd like you to draw me a sketch of this copyrighted character's face, to see if you can do it on-model, then I'll commish you with a larger black-and-white lineart of that face. I'll have that lineart colored by other artists. (links a number of refs for character)
(10 or so notes go back and forth where he keeps asking me about all the details I want other people to do that have nothing to do with the face I want from him. It's an entirely family-friendly, G-rated pic that the face will be part of. I tell him so he'll have an idea of what context and mood the whole pic will be, but keep reminding him I only want that b/w face from him for others to color. Then he decides to give me a quote:)
ARTIST: Yeah...you know, doing a copyrighted character is a pretty morally questionable activity. I don't want the original artist from 25 years ago to be hurt. So you gotta pay me extra for the risk of him being hurt.
ARTIST: Also, lineart requires *ERASING* lines, you know, to make it look clean. That's extra.
ARTIST: Plus, you gave me refs to look at. That's *RESEARCH*. Costs extra, too.
ARTIST: So...I could offer you a price of, say...200-300 Euros?
ME: A three-digit figure?! 0.o For a few clean lines to make up a cartoon face?! 0.o
ARTIST: Dude, I can't play in the same league as all those untalented wannabe kiddies here on FA by selling myself as cheap as they do! You're talking to a professional running a graphics design business here!
ME: 300 bucks...for...a few lines for a face that you don't even need to color because other people are gonna do it...? 0.o I've compiled a sizable list of people offering me that they'll be drawing all the rest of the picture *OR* coloring the whole thing for 20-60 Dollars...
ARTIST: YOU GONNA GO TO OTHER PEOPLE FOR COLOR JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAPER THAN ME?! FUCK OFF! I DON'T WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!
(At this point, I'm thinking: "Dude, newsflash: I know many, many people that can color *WAY* better than you for *10 BUCKS* -.- ...and if you're like this to your customers, it's no surprise your RL business is failing..." Also see the sample linked above by another artist that resembles this guy's quality.)
ME: Uh...I told you from the very beginning and in at least 5 more notes that all I want from you is a lineart of a face that I'll get colored by other people...
ARTIST: IF YR NOT WILLING 2 PAY MY STANDARD PRICES OF AT LEAST 200 EUROS FOR A RISKY LINEART, THEN I MADE A MISTAKE IN EVER RESPONDING 2 U! I'M GLAD I FOUND OUT BEFORE U WOULDA RIPPED ME OFF, AND I WANT NOTHING 2 DO WITH YR DISRESPECTFUL KIND!
Yeah...he's perfectly within his rights to decide for himself what commishes he'll do or not. And if he doesn't wanna do lineart to be colored by somebody else, or if feels he'll hurt Don Bluth by drawing a face for a G-rated picture, that's fine.
But that's no excuse to be behaving like an immature @$$hole, behave totally smug and elitist demanding more than *20 TIMES*(!) his actual market value as if that's his birth-given right, and act all as if he's just been obscenely insulted when being reminded of the fact that's far above the average market value of perhaps 95% or more of FA artists.