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ManaAraxis

1 year, 11 months ago

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You failed to consider rape victims who may need/want an abortion. It's not just about irresponsible sex. =/

RollerCoasterViper59

1 year, 11 months ago

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This is a bad take, people who get raped can't have responsible sex, because it's by force

And fuck ass states like Florida won't even allow rape abortions. Incest is irresponsible sex, but not rape

For that reason I'm pro roe v Wade and hope that SCOTUS doesn't reverse the trial of roe. I'm pro life in every other way but rape

In addition the way the economy is right now you can't just tell people to move. That's fucked and doesn't consider their financial situation

ShaneAndCo

1 year, 11 months ago

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So...people are getting paid less than a random apartment but we have to move to a different state. With what money exactly?

Not to mention all the proper and medical reasons to get abortions.

NikkitheTanuki

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ ShaneAndCo

And forcing someone to carry a child that resulted from rape or let to die because abortion is the only way out to save your life among a lot of other things.

Breetails

1 year, 11 months ago

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Bad take. My older sister had to terminate her pregnancy after a bad break up with her toxic ass boyfriend. What was she suppose to do? Raise his kid with no help, put the kid up for adoption and have him/her having to grow up in a foster home or worse. Shit happens. Life happens. Things don't always go as planned. I'm all pro choice.

Gendasi

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ Breetails

"...had to terminate..."

So... not a choice? Seems like one, to me.

"What was she supposed to do?"

First, she should've not screwed around with a toxic dude that she wasn't in it for the long haul with.
Second? Give it up for adoption.

Wow, that took almost no thought to solve the problem.

Edit: I make my stance below, but everyone is acting like this is an "all or nothing" affair, and it isn't. It really isn't.

DiogenesShandor

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ Breetails

Why would carrying the preganacy to term mean that she would have to raise his child? Do you really not know that adoption is a thing?

Gendasi

1 year, 11 months ago

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This.
Just vote in people who agree with your viewpoints at a local level.
That's how the country was set up to work.
It's not the end of the world, or democracy, or women's rights, or whatever.

https://twitter.com/waitbutwhy/status/1521614547961876480

That said, Kepora, this is the furry fandom; about as LEFT as you can get without making a full circle. You should know that there's going to be screeching and drama. The upside to you making this post is that you can see the screeching banshees and the trolls in order to block them, so... I guess there's that?

Nobody's going to sit down and have a reasonable discussion, so I honestly don't know why you felt the need to bring it up, but these are my two cents.

All that said, my stance is this: Safe, legal and rare. You shouldn't use abortion as a fallback plan for wanting to go raw doggin' in a public restroom, but I believe that incest, rape, and emergencies may certainly warrant the procedure.

The people screaming the most seem to be the ones who want a zero-consequences lifestyle, and that's just not possible, nor responsible. Wear a condom. Use birth control. Don't screw people you don't want to procreate with. Et cetera. All this is cheaper than an abortion, and it requires minimal effort on your part. My wife and I have had condoms break, shrugged and bought Plan B the next time we visit Walmart. Grow the fuck up.

Also, to the dumbass who said Florida doesn't allow abortions in the case of rape... we have a fucking clinic in my town. For abortions. In Florida. Anything after 15 weeks is banned, but you'll know LONG before then, if you were raped. If there's a legitimate medical reason to abort, we're down with that as well. Doctors will always have final say in that regard. We're not savages like you California psychos who want 7-day post-natal abortions to be legalized; we actually understand consequences and compromise.

https://twitter.com/Caitlin_K_Myers/status/152130160456...

HellDoradoLion

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

the biggest issue with this argument though is the major issue of gerrymandering thats happening right now. Many of the red states have redistricted so much to basically force outnumbering majority votes of their parties like 2-3 to 1.

not saying that voting isnt a good way to fight for your cause, but we will just have to see how these coming midterms pan out. people need to get out to vote, and we will see what the turnout is, vs what they vote for, vs what actually wins

ShaneAndCo

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

You do know that the furry fandom is international right? And that in terms of politics when compared globally the USA is right (dems) or futher right (reps). You guys only have 1 well known politician who is internationally also on the 'left' list. And I don't think I have to say his name.

"	All that said, my stance is this: Safe, legal and rare. You shouldn't use abortion as a fallback plan for wanting to go raw doggin' in a public restroom, but I believe that incest, rape, and emergencies may certainly warrant the procedure.

And there are a bunch of states that don't share this stance. They just want to ban it outright. Limits of 6 weeks are in the laws. A time frame in which it can't even be certain you're pregnant yet.
I mean, you mentioned Florida as your own state. And as that last twitter post shows, yeah, Florida won't change much, if at all. But what about all those other states?

Yes, there are states that are more normal (anything up to 24 is 'normal' for me, though that's of course because that's the environment and laws that I grew up in), but I'm worried about the states that don't care. It's protecting of the fetus, but once it's out, you're on your own.

Finally, as you may have inferred from my initial reaction, I'm not from the US, so I won't know how everything will eventually pan out. But from across the ocean it just seems a really bad idea.

DiogenesShandor

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

I think an ideal of responsibility and consequences is part of the problem. I think that a lot of people are so hung up on responsibility and doing things "the right way" that they'd prefer to terminate the pregnancy outright than to just half-ass it by continuing to smoke and then giving the child up for adoption after nine months.

MviluUatusun

1 year, 11 months ago

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You're quite right. Back in 1973, when Roe v. Wade was handed down, my home state of Georgia allowed abortions, even though Texas (where the case originated) didn't. In fact, a year before the decision, a friend of mine had an abortion.

TheCemmie

1 year, 11 months ago

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Judging on the comment section, I have to agree with the commenters , you have failed to considered rape victoms and after seeing the comment sections i think you Kepora Made me sick, please never have another take on a controversial topic again.

ZwolfJareAlt306

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ TheCemmie

Why are you opposed to freedom of speech?

TheCemmie

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ ZwolfJareAlt306

Im a Centralist, freedom of speech, second amendment and the first amendment is everything to us. So i have an right to oppose him.

ZwolfJareAlt306

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ TheCemmie

"	…please never have another take on a controversial topic again.

Opposition is one thing.
You asked him to shut up.
As if he doesn’t have a right to state his opinion, but you do.

LW31

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ ZwolfJareAlt306

His opinion may be protected under the first amendment, but so is the opinion that he shouldn't have said anything.

DiogenesShandor

1 year, 11 months ago

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I agree. I don't see why people consider elective abortion so important. As long as it remains allowed in cases where there's a valid medical reason I don;t see a problem with it. You can just give the child up for adoption afterward; it's not whatever lifetime commitment you've built up in your head; it's considerably less than a year..

SentinelX

1 year, 11 months ago

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I have my own take on the matter, specifically the sheer amount of hypocrisy we're currently seeing on the left.

The same women who're saying "my body my choice" and arguing for full body autonomy, are the same ones who insisted that everyone be required under force of law to take the covid-19 vaccination, because their own choice on the matter of what they wanted for themselves was invalid. Yet when we say certain people shouldn't be allowed to have kids because they're horrible, irresponsible people, that's violating their reproductive rights.

The same people who claim a fetus is just a clump of cells and thus not alive or a full human being, are the same ones who insist eating meat and wearing fur is murder, because they insist a dumb animal is equal to humans.

The same people who championed abortion being available for free and quite common, are the same ones claiming that who/what qualifies as a woman can't be determined by biology, and that men can be women if they want. So following that logic it was theoretically a bunch of women who decided abortion wasn't a constitutional right. If they argue otherwise, they're assuming the gender of the judges based on their emotional response to the ruling.

Kupok

1 year, 11 months ago

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It is very generous of you to offer your own funds to move people out of affected states.

ZwolfJareAlt306

1 year, 11 months ago

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Here’s where I’m at on abortion currently:

Through the first trimester (12 weeks) I’m okay with it. Three months is enough time for somebody to decide if they want a kid.
After that if the mother’s life is in danger.

CptNight

1 year, 11 months ago

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It's a shame that so many people are willing to use extreme cases to justify what should be a rare need. I think the extreme positions by left and right wing are pushing us past ever working out a good compromise. At the time of Roe v Wade many statts already allowed abortions up through 15 weeks which was usually plenty of time for rape and unwanted pregnancies. The rhetoric has made if near impossible they real considerations for exlucsions can be made. I do not agree with outright bans but that's what may likely happen after such extreme justifications have been out forth instead of the literal most common use, as birth control. Ectopic pregnancies, rape, dead fetuses, all being used as the justification for abortions being unquestionably legal right up to and even after birth. For all the leftists who see this, realize that your use of extreme cases hurts any possibility for compromises and the same extreme case use will be pushed for other laws now to justify overbearing laws.

SentinelX

1 year, 11 months ago

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@ CptNight

Amen to that.

It's not getting even worse because the whole discussion has been getting hijacked by the transgender movement and how it affects them. I don't remember the video link I watched but something about "menstral equality" and tampons in boy's bathrooms at schools was included.

Melloncollie

1 year, 11 months ago

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A baby shouldn't be punishment for having sex. Birth control fails. Sex isn't always consensual. Some people aren't ready or mentally well enough to be good parents. There's plenty of reasons for a woman to have an abortion and it's nobody's business but her own.

LW31

1 year, 11 months ago

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I could list several reasons why this is a very flawed way of thinking (and that's putting it super mildly), but everyone else has listed pretty much all of them already. Instead, I'll just offer this little tidbit you may have overlooked that might be worth considering.

Women are by far the ones directly effected by this the most. And you are not a woman.

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