EU is Removing Digital Privacy Laws by doublePopsicle < Journal

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mynameisoutro

2 years, 8 months ago

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GreenReaper

what does this mean for IB?

Delphinidae

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ mynameisoutro

They most likely can't scan most https (and definitely can't scan all of it) and if you ever sent questionable material via unencrypted email then your life was always forfeit anyway.

Even in that scenario, drawings of fantasy creatures tend to be ignored by many jurisdictions.

GreenReaper

2 years, 7 months ago

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@ mynameisoutro

We already scan uploads for exact matches to known actual child abuse imagery (photos and possibly psuedo-photos of RL children). This was a requirement of one of our hosts for user-generated content. The system acts automatically but has never triggered because people don't upload stuff like that here, as it'd be against half the rules in our content policy.

There is no automated scanning of PMs or other text content and the bodies of PMs and support tickets are encrypted in such a way that simply taking the disks or reading them from a database dump would not result in a readable copy. We do not offer a chat service and it is unlikely that we'd be interested in participating in such a scanning service. (However, we cannot cover what happens to copies of PMs forwarded by email to a recipient.)

Moreover, we are not legally based in the EU (though our main servers are), so it is not clear that the derogation applies to us.

KalinAndArkani

2 years, 8 months ago

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👏fuck👏that👏

RegalFang56

2 years, 8 months ago

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Who the fuck do they think they are, the thought police?

AMonkey

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ RegalFang56

they are

AMonkey

2 years, 8 months ago

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I wonder how those authoritarian, corrupt politicians will find their painful end. Lets hope it is by the hands of those they suppressed and stole from for years, aka the citizens of Europe.

RegalFang56

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ AMonkey

Well the public has power look up the downfall of AiDungeon. It was a story/dungeon ai driven writing website. Where you could interact with an ai to have it play DM. They eventually banned any kind of sex if ever a child was mentioned even in passing. Also the ai was trained on child porn, lol. It dropped from five stars to less then 1.5 in less than a week. Then they removed incest more recently and their next target is bestiality and the way they do it with keywords I guess they will ban furry. That's why I now enjoy fucking around with dreamily.ai atleast it doesn't have an ai reading what you type or do, much less creepy.

AMonkey

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ RegalFang56

having things done by ai (like scanning chats and such) is the most stupid decision anybody could make, ai does not understand humor, sarcasm or anything humans use to communicate. One joke gone wrong and you could be raided by police, things will go downhill from then on thanks to our incompetent and/or malicious overlords, voted for by nobody but yet in power somehow.

RegalFang56

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ AMonkey

Corruption in politics is too global. I thought the USA had the title for most corrupt but that just takes the cake.

AMonkey

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ RegalFang56

yup, eu is just a shitshow that doesnt give a crap about human rights.

VK102

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ RegalFang56

USA?
The most corrupt?!?!
Ohy dear child, I doubt USA its even in the Top 10!

RegalFang56

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ VK102

I disagree. Because of republicans and their attempts to pass laws to restrict voting.

CandanceTheRunaway

2 years, 8 months ago

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With this wonder how long before other nations brexit

ScottySkunk

2 years, 8 months ago

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I hope someone turns this against their creators and sponcers.

AMonkey

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ ScottySkunk

just spam politicians with trigger words and have the ai go crazy, lets see how much it can handle berfore everything has to be shut down.

Killereye

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ AMonkey

Exactly my thoughts! XD

Sloss

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ ScottySkunk

It will, like these kinds of censorshit / rules eventually do.
By the time that happends however, it's too far along to simply be removed without a fight... =(

ScottySkunk

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Sloss

Yeah.. I hate censorship

air6ornepig

2 years, 8 months ago

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rip

knowing what goberments do, it's only a matter of time

gg all art that doesn't conform to 'moral standards'

gg all progressives under authoritarian regimes when this is inevitably used to crack down on political dissidents

TheDeinonychus

2 years, 8 months ago

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This is what happens when you let a massive government make decisions for it's citizens.

Tigerfestivals

2 years, 8 months ago

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Every day the absurd dystopia of Psycho Pass becomes less and less of an exaggeration.

Fira

2 years, 8 months ago

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And this is when people start making their own text encryption programs.

LWolf2022

2 years, 8 months ago

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This sounds very similar to what Apple is planning to do now for their devices here in the states
Privacy is pretty much almost dead nowadays

Kellyn

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ LWolf2022

I know. I am frankly surprised how what apple is doing hasn't really been brought up by anyone I follow here. I just hope all these new privacy invasions that are apparently taking place across the world won't turn into them going after cub.

I have come to terms with the fact that my taste in porn is relatively disgusting. I just really don't want my friends and family to have to come to terms with that fact when I have done nothing and will do nothing to harm others because of my sexual interests.

Also both what apple is doing and what the EU is doing is to protect children. If we want to protect the children we should protect them from losing their privacy!

doublePopsicle

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Kellyn

I just read about this Apple issue today. I can't BELIEVE they're going to willingly install a backdoor to their systems. I use an iPad for art right now, but Im going to have to invest in something else before that change happens.

Kellyn

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ doublePopsicle

Alternatively you can just make sure automatic updates are disabled and never upgrade to iOS 15. No reason to throw out a perfectly good device over software you are not required to install. Just get something else when either the iPad breaks, performs too slowly, or the apps you use to draw no longer support iOS 14.

That said I agree with you. I am going to have to seriously consider whether or not I buy anything apple going forward.

Varwulf

2 years, 8 months ago

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As Youtube has proven countless times already this decade, AI is so sophisticated that you can basically let it run your entire operation and never see a single issue pop up.

Oh, wait...

Vuk91

2 years, 8 months ago

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They are willing to throw privacy under the bus? Oh my devil!

AlBear

2 years, 8 months ago

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Holy crap big brother! Welcome to 1984.

DiogenesShandor

2 years, 8 months ago

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God bless America

ZwolfJareAlt306

2 years, 8 months ago

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If I could have one wish, it would be that stupid decisions affect only the people who make them...

SanisPifo

2 years, 8 months ago

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Fiction is not reality. When will they understand?

AnbunArts

2 years, 8 months ago

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Leave it up to the EU to fuck over human rights

TeaPartyRabbit

2 years, 8 months ago

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If someone mails content containing minors, that is either aggravated assault or murder?

KevinSnowpaw

2 years, 8 months ago

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Fucking disgusting

Its ok to be an orwellian servalance state! Trust us were doing it for the children!

Time to burn down the EU

CandanceTheRunaway

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

We must save Kevin from people seeing his weenie anymore if rights are lost oh well hehehehe

KevinSnowpaw

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ CandanceTheRunaway

Viewing My cute little weenie is a God given right one I share with the world XD

CandanceTheRunaway

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

Holds censor bar above lil bros groin and whistles innocenlty

KevinSnowpaw

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ CandanceTheRunaway

Heeeey! This is MY! ONLY FANS go back to your own room! MOOOOOM!

KASA'S MESSING UP MY LIVE STREAM WITH HER CENCOR BAR AGAIN...

Killereye

2 years, 8 months ago

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Pffftttt! XD

So this will be an automated AI??? That's the easiest to fool! EVERYONE just have to start or end their conversation with a pedo-joke, and the police will get an EU worth of non-pedo material to go through! Still, it's an intrusion on the people's privacy, so...Freedom dies a little once more. T_T

Taleir

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Killereye

Also, it will end up breaching the privacy of people outside their jurisdiction, as those emails and chats they scan will inevitably involve people outside of the EU.

Killereye

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Taleir

Not to mention, this will maybe slow down the internet with it running in the backgrounds??? It could work silently, and only affect the capacity to a minimal degree, but if you have 100 horse, you don't pack 1 of it full with silly things like this AI! It running in the backgrounds just puts unwanted weights to the traffic, no matter if it's light or heavy!

Yeah, the idea behind it is noble, but how it's functioning is highly intrusive, and an AI is clearly not ready/UNFIT to take on this kind of operation! That is why we need to fight it, if it gets put on duty! Everyone just need to post the same pedo-joke and this will put an EU worth of work on the police's shoulder...They will learn, that if they mess with the wrong (but still innocent) people, we will fight back!

Garuo

2 years, 8 months ago

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"	...but by AI.

That’s the WORST Part about it, there so much overestimate the Ai.
It will bring up a shit ton of false positive.
In chats even more than in pictures, the AI just doesn’t understand context.

LemmyNiscuit

2 years, 8 months ago

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Political officials are exempt from the measure...

But in all seriousness this leveraging of insert morally reprehensible content as a way to foothold earmarking of other data points needs to stop.

Might as well just interpret "Illegal content containing minors" as any picture of a minor. If you're really concerned that's the safest thing to do.

Taleir

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ LemmyNiscuit

Political officials are exempt? Why so? If they're doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to hide. 😏

Don't want their own dirty secrets becoming public?

LemmyNiscuit

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Taleir

To be clear I wasn't saying they are, that was a joke as laws (at least here in the US) sometimes include a clause about how members of congress are exempt from them.

Killereye

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Taleir

Well if it would be so, it's obvious: They would claim, that they need to speak/tweet/and conference call about this AI's progress, and all the buzz words would be suspicious as well, so they would need an exempt from the investigatory AI's functions.

That or some other legal sounding BS would be the filed claim of exempt...I guess.

Oxodraw

2 years, 8 months ago

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mmmmh it's strange that I never heard about this on twitter, facebook and more this since 6th august (I live in europe) ...
I will think about it and search more in the next days

thecooler

2 years, 8 months ago

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humanity will reach a point where they won't be human any more just things other things control.
hope I die before that happens good luck to what is left with humanity you did not listen to the
prophets who had foreseen this and now you will all fall into a "good moral" of "higher power" but
all that is is 0's and 1's

DiogenesShandor

2 years, 8 months ago

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Whenever I hear about something like this I usually respond by donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an advocacy group that campaigns against things like automated government surveillance.

shocu

2 years, 8 months ago

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These are sad times.

TheCemmie

2 years, 8 months ago

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I guess they have to move their asses towards the united states of america and plus i think europe is going to die anyway since most every controversy or wars started in europe.

leakyroot

2 years, 8 months ago

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Oh wow, I hate this.
Thanks for bringing our attention to this, it sounds like a pretty damn big deal.

Eyes

2 years, 8 months ago

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like the vaccene, voluntary, until we say so

GreenPika

2 years, 8 months ago

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well they wanted national socialism. this is the kinda stuff to expect. :/

GreenPika

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ GreenPika

Was some remark to my comment that doesn't appear anymore. Simple answer though: rampant violation of anti trust laws (monopoly)=capitalism no more.

SentinelX

2 years, 8 months ago

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Yeah, but short of the bloodiest revolution history has ever seen, literally purging government of every last individual whose employed by them in even a minute capacity, all the way down to the janitorial staff, absolutely nothing is going to change this, stop this, or otherwise do anything to make the situation better. The government has no desire to stop, and the public has no appetite for doing anything that would actually require effort. It's a lose/lose situation because the people there are too beaten down to care anymore.

ShanetheFreestyler

2 years, 8 months ago

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What that sound I hear? Oh, it's George Orwell rolling in his grave!

Sloss

2 years, 8 months ago

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The future is the dark-internet!
Mainstream internet will have people beating your door down within minutes of viewing a cute cartoon character peeking at a dick-