I'd been trying to not make my own journal on this, but seeing this crap thrown at Ten pisses me off too much to ignore. So I'm saying something on that, and because I lack the interest in holding back as much if I'm gonna say anything at all, more will follow.
, go here and kindly explain to him how he is making a tremendous Tool of himself.
TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR: If you are not his friend, or dislike him for any reason, or just have never heard of him before this, please DO NOT say anything to him. I am not trying to get him flamed or trolled, I am simply betting that at least a few of his friends might see this and I only want people concerned with helping him see his mistakes bothering to talk to him. Cuz he clearly isn't going to listen to anybody else, and nothing good is accomplished by total strangers being ugly to him (I've been nasty enough to him in defense of Ten).
That leads into a point I need to make.
Thanatos there is representing the worst of IB. The worst behavior, the worst attitude, the worst response. To Ten, who in that journal is representing the best behavior, the best attitude, that anyone can expect from anyone who is not personally all approving of cub stuff.
An artist makes the most tactful and respectful withdrawal that anyone could possibly expect, and it's still not good enough. For so many people on this site, just the fact of not being part of the pedo parade is all it takes to justify completely and totally disrespecting them. Most of Ten's responses have been great, and currently Thanatos has been the worst by far. But he exemplifies an attitude I've been seeing tossed around a lot the past few days: that anyone not fully all about cubby goodness is not welcome here.
I made a bitching journal about inconsistency with the rules, and I got a bunch of ugliness from people who misconstrued that as just "you want to take away what I like!!"
Roarey made a calm and civil point about how there are things that could be done to invalidate the currently valid 'it's just a cub site' stigma so that IB could have some appeal to people beyond JUST cubs - without a word of trying to stifle, limit, or remove cub at all - and he also got "you want to take away what I like!!" and "don't like it, leave!"
Some other people have been vocal with saying "yeah, it's the cub site, people who don't like that don't need to be here" and "if the shoe fits, wear it" and other stuff adamantly decrying that this IS just the cub site.
Ten makes as respectful and drama-free withdrawal as anybody can possibly make (short of just vanishing wordlessly, which still would have caused drama because people would have just assumed he was an asshole for taking his stuff down without explanation) and he still gets some blind, ignorant ass-clown just incapable of seeing anything but "you not like pedo, you bad person!"
Fuck it if people want to call me arrogant or any other thing, but god dammit, I and others stuck our necks out promoting the hell out of this place and swearing up and down that this ISN'T just the cub site, and isn't intended to be - because that's what we were told, and that's what we expected it to be. So kindly fuck anyone who can't understand why I'd be a bit bothered by eventually being made to be a liar. Or why anyone else might simply not want to be here JUST because they like some stuff other than just cub, and this site simply has run off (through inaction by the site, and the attitude shown by a lot of the users) the majority of anybody who provides anything else.
You guys that are twisting "it'd be nice if there was more stuff >in addition to< the cub stuff" into "boooo hate cub, it's evil you all need to die" or whatever else you guys are being overly defensive about - for pete's sake, you're validating all the worst stuff people have ever had to say about this site and cub in general. You're making people who spoke out of baseless judgment and hatefullness RIGHT after the fact. It's stupid.
Obviously a great many of you KNOW that I appreciate you and your support, there's too many people to count who I consider friends and who I really just like a great deal as human beings. All of whom I trust to have sense enough to probably not be part of what I'm complaining about. To the people who ARE being part of this, I'm not just trying to be a mean asshole, I am trying to point out a trend of behavior that is bullshit and detrimental to everyone (something I have a habit of doing) in the hopes that maybe people can see where they're being unreasonable and adjust accordingly.
To add one more little bit at hopefully constructive input, since this all seems to have snowballed from me just bitching about the thunderkittens being a blatant violation of the no humans rule but allowed for reasons that just do not satisfy any of the reasons that rule exists to begin with - here's my suggestion at hopefully a more solid and less arbitrary/subjective way to draw that human/furry line:
What non-primate animal has a distinctly separate nose and mouth like people do? I can't think of any. I'll bet SOMEBODY will manage to find one though, so whoever does that, maybe you can also find anyone with one of those as a character so we can be sure to figure out some additional wording to exclude them from being thrown out unfairly - because unfair or arbitrary ejection of ANYONE is not remotely the intent here. Since "essentially human with superficial animal features" is apparently not clear enough - I thought it was plenty clear, but if the thunderkittens don't embody that description, I don't know what the fuck does - then maybe it should just be "Any character that does not have a muzzle and is not a distinctly non-human primate is not allowed." Or something to that effect.
The face is the most important aspect of determining animal/human and if someone's "personal style" is to give their characters a human face and not a muzzle, well then I am sorry, but that is not "anthro animal" it is animalized human or nekomimi or whatever else it's called, and is part of the "too close to human" stuff that the rule exists to keep off the site - specifically because having stuff the average person would perceive as human has very real and not good consequences that can't be ignored just because 'but murr that's hot.' >_<