I'm no longer on Twitter. by Norithics < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

Smolfoks

2 years, 12 months ago

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I wish more people shared your thoughts on the subject. It's become such an unhealthy place on a terrifyingly larger scale than most people realize, or would like to admit. I don't blame you for cutting ties, and I hope more furs follow suit soon.

lerwin

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ Smolfoks

it is where the foulest parts of humanity thrive and see themselves as rightous.

Sesquipedalian

2 years, 3 months ago

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@ lerwin

They know they're not righteous, they just lie and lie

Hyperstorm

2 years, 12 months ago

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I understand you completely. I know of a few people that decided to leave because of how caustic the people can be here.

I still to post my art there and nothing else and still I'm also thinking about just stopping and focus on some other places more art related.

Ravi

2 years, 12 months ago

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Twitter's become this hellscape where its less social media and more "Who's turn is it on the noose?".

I understand what you mean. You feel like you have to pick your words very carefully or not say anything at all without 50 random people you've never met trying to "clown" you over something, be it right or wrong. Worst is how the damn site is being weaponized against people who did nothing wrong. And when I mean wrong, I mean people who did/made porn that's considered by some to be wrong think.

Smaller sites and personal discords are better in my opinon.

Glad to see you cut the site and I hope you're in a more positive place now

FelouseFarnayne

2 years, 12 months ago

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Its sad when a website that could do a lot of good is used by people with bad motives and even creates unneeded hostility with people that do not deserve it, while the people that do get away with being awful people. Honestly twitter is a negative space on a lot of areas, not just in the people there but also in the way more often then not whatever is trending on that site is usually awful news that just paints the world as this hellhole that we as normal people can't do anything about it. The place is too stressful for my liking.

crlcan81

2 years, 12 months ago

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This is true of nearly all 'social media' depending on who you watch or interact with.

pendingdeletion

2 years, 12 months ago

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based Norithics. Finally... you realize the truth. I was no more than 5 months there, is hell on the internet, is the web's parasite and we have to shut it down.

max201451

2 years, 12 months ago

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well good on you mate. glad to see people on that fucking shithole of a site are waking up to it.

Taonas

2 years, 12 months ago

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Yeah... It's filled with extremely angry and mean people that can't help themselves because Twitter bombards them with cherry-picked stories and outrage-porn on a daily basis to keep you "engaged". I think it made me an absolutely terrible miserable person, at least for a while. I left Twitter and other social media when I realized what it was doing to me and I'm probably better for it

Jamaay

2 years, 12 months ago

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Blood for the Blood God!

MaximilianUltimata

2 years, 12 months ago

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I mean, I predicted that years ago, when hashtag activism and the abridgement of thought and speech became hot shit. Now the average tweet is 28 characters long, which is too much for some people and the strain from attempting to read that much can drive them to actual, physical violence. That first sentence alone is now considered a wall of text on Twitter. And that's BEFORE you get into the SEO problem that it and all other social media have.

Better that the place be burned to the ground until not even the ashes remain.

Robinebra

2 years, 12 months ago

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This is exactly why I don't have a Twitter account.

PatchesIto

2 years, 12 months ago

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Personally I think the biggest problem at the end of the day is people.
Twitter as a site just maximizes the interaction and engagement of it's users, and it all spirals out of control from there.
The true end game is quitting all social media.

Hikebu

2 years, 12 months ago

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Welcome to the club

Norithics

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ Hikebu

Or more accurately, out of the club!

PantyRanger

2 years, 12 months ago

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Twitter is kind of a trap where I got a lot of friends on their and I can promote my work on their, but at the same time, I hate looking at it, especially my timeline. It's a mess of a site.

I constantly debate leaving.

DarkBlue666

2 years, 12 months ago

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Twitter can be a useful tool for getting your thoughts across to the public, and to post porn. But more often than not, it's just an unironical Highway to Hell.

I'm not getting off until there's nothing for me there anymore. But I can respect you for doing what you did nonetheless.

aSmartBoy

2 years, 12 months ago

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That's one of the reasons why I didn't go to twitter, people are so angry there you can't even reason with them, they even go to far as to call you names that will turn you into a villain.

Fens

2 years, 12 months ago

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Good on you. And you're right about atomisation as well; it's something I'm very much looking forward to.

2Cen

2 years, 12 months ago

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I feel you. I wanted nothing to do with a website that is full of people who can't seem to respect each other, and if you display any inkling of common sense, you get placed in the crosshairs of certain people, no matter how careful you are with your words. All that negativity wasn't something I wanted to see. I was only on there to upload my work.

Twitter is nothing but a cesspool now, and I've been much more positive since I gave up on it a couple months ago. It's a good thing you did too, Norithics.

xscar10

2 years, 12 months ago

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Agreed wholeheartedly.

furloverguy84

2 years, 12 months ago

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Tweets are for twats, or so I heard. ;)

SherryDomino

2 years, 12 months ago

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I wouldn't bother with Twitter if it wasn't for the artists that have since relocated there since the Tumblr Purge. I have to be very careful or else I see a tweet that ruins my day.

Seth65

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ SherryDomino

This is me. If those artists could move to another site, I'd be off twitter right with them.

Panelledsquid

2 years, 12 months ago

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Twitter has gotten quite awful. It's a shame, it has a great way to follow artists but the platform's inhabitants are just so toxic.

LeruArt

2 years, 12 months ago

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Good thing you do too, I left months ago, I hated it there. Just full of desperate assholes who just wanna ruin lives and bring people down

LoZeed

2 years, 12 months ago

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It's not just a bad website for art, it's a bad website for people.
But worse still it's a machine, a machine that churns out controversy with no regard if it's fake or not.

SnapInABox

2 years, 12 months ago

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Good decision. Ever since social media discovered that people spend longer on the site and engage more with content that actively makes them angry, that's what they've been cultivating the sites towards. I can say that my mental health took a noticeable upswing after I left, and I certainly hope that yours does too. =)

Daneasaur

2 years, 12 months ago

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It takes one seeing the belly of the beast before they can rip themselves away from it and see it for the meat grinder it is.

RollerCoasterViper59

2 years, 12 months ago

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Much respect for you having the courage to leave that hate fueled website

Firerush

2 years, 12 months ago

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yes, seriously screw twitter. I've barely poked my head in and came out with pink eye in both eyes.

Milkie

2 years, 12 months ago

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I'll admit, not being on Twitter is kinda great because you get a lot more free time - but then you also just have a lot more free time, and there aren't many more public places to post art and things where people will, you know, actually see it.

Because we sure ain't getting back into FA any time soon, eheheheheh.

Long story short I think we just have to be fine with a sore lack of outreach. Easy for me, because I immediately assumed nobody cared about my stuff anyway, but I imagine for an established artist it's a bit of a kick in the dick.

caramelthecalf

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ Milkie

In terms of getting seen, Pixiv is pretty good. It has a good tagging system, and it reccommends art for a long time after the initial post.

Corona688

2 years, 11 months ago

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@ caramelthecalf

"	caramelthecalf wrote:
	In terms of getting seen, Pixiv is pretty good. It has a good tagging system, and it reccommends art for a long time after the initial post.

Doesn't pixiv require registration? Immediate dip to 0.00001%

BunnyCoffee

2 years, 12 months ago

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Twitter has....280 characters to get across a point.

Political and social commentary....requires way more than 280 characters to have any kind of nuanced conversation that does not degenerate into angry screaming. The platform unfortunately is not designed for those conversations and allows so much room for bad faith assumptions and conversation on these issues, so no real discussion happens. It leads to immediate fights and jumping down each other's throats.

People will read into a surface level statement, not examine the layers behind it, and make bad faith based assumptions of who you are ( unless you're of course saying blatant stuff like " kill all ____ " or something else of abhorrent, all we need to know is right there )

I use it to follow art and express/vent thoughts of mine that I don't really think about how it appears surface level, it's just me typing a piece of the things I think without really diving into the details to have nuanced discussion., because I didn't think I had any kind of following and mostly porn bots that I keep having to block following me, I could use it as that kind of space to sort out my thoughts that come from having brain damage.

Worst assumption I ever made.

Either way, you're free from it. It's good that you walked away.

caramelthecalf

2 years, 12 months ago

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I think twitter helped me minimally on commissions, but there is always the spectre of the possibility that people will gang up on my account over the art. It's not a good feeling.

I might reccomend pixiv to people for getting seen. From what I can tell, it seems Japanese customers are used to buying a finished product instead of buying commissions.

SkeletalK9

2 years, 12 months ago

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And that's why I've never had one no matter how much people have pressured me to

tealpaws

2 years, 12 months ago

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agreed

PlanetWhorbius

2 years, 12 months ago

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where you gonna be just on inkbunny???

XaveKNyne

2 years, 12 months ago

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Its why I personally only use Twitter just for posting and sharing art.

NeuroTheMudkip

2 years, 12 months ago

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Honestly, it was a good choice

Twitter fuckin sucks.

I'd love to join your discord tho-

KevinSnowpaw

2 years, 12 months ago

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it's so very true and sad... but your completely right. Today it's me, tomorrow it will be you, the cancel culture woke machine is a hungry beast thats oiled by the blood of drama and narrative and Something always must be the bag guy, it does not matter who.

There is a Difference between "being woke" and having some common curtesy or decency and parts of the internet have completely forgotten this and it does not help that twitters moderation staff seems to have as well. It's like we dont talk or discuss any more we just attack and malign.

I follow you here happily and I will continue to do so, You've always been a well reasoned and good intentioned human being, even when we don't agree on something, I respect you.

JasmineRedkat

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

Yeah I hear ya. Twitter can be bad for that too.

KevinSnowpaw

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ JasmineRedkat

im kinda glad I never really invested in it, I use it very very rarely to look at cute shota artists that is about it.

CocoMania

2 years, 12 months ago

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Respect 👏😞

Jeffron

2 years, 12 months ago

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It was always a toxic cespool

Delquea

2 years, 12 months ago

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Yes indeed a chaotic cesspool of judgmental hatred.

Luckily I added so many keywords that so much stuff I never notice til someone tells me about it. Granted the last opinion I ever uploaded was half a decade ago. I just use it to upload silly screencaps from video games XD

Sasparillafizz

2 years, 12 months ago

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It's a feedback loop since it's DESIGNED to get you to engage with it. Easiest way to engage people is to get them upset. People will write long winded pages of stuff over a minor inconvenience far more often than something that was good they encountered, and retweet it more as well. And then it directs you to more of this until your saturated. It is by design made to be toxic as hell.

doctorinsane

2 years, 12 months ago

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It’s why I never joined Twitter. I saw the signs even in the early days

JasmineRedkat

2 years, 12 months ago

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Personally I don't blame ya. Twitter has become a cesspit of insanity as of late and people hating and being cruel to each other. And turning people slowly into sociopaths. I may delete my Twitter myself at one point if it gets any worse than it is now.

I respect your choice.

RegiosRhenac

2 years, 12 months ago

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I should be considering it too. The more time I spend there, the more I see people falsely accusing each other of being child molesters, nazis, murderers or any other heinous crimes, and no matter what you do, any attempt in defending yourself that is not you completely humiliating yourself before your attackers and saying they are absolutely right just proves you are the criminal they accuse you to be. It feeds into my anger issues, and it's like an addiction.

TheDJTC

2 years, 12 months ago

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Yeah I prefer tumblr, but no one really talks on IMs anymore, they just say "hi" and forget what they're doing. So 100% of interaction's through memes and stuff so I go on many sites.

Tho yeah, there's no reason to be on twitter if you're right in the head. Which is why I keep checkin'

DevilishGenesis

2 years, 12 months ago

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Twitter was meant to be something good, but because of the insane bias, and how no one can have an unsanctioned opinion, it is officially the single most hate filled thing I've seen in my entire life. Glad to hear you escaped from it.

TheBurningDonut

2 years, 12 months ago

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I feel bad I instinctually went to hit the heard (like) button

CapHornybotLD

2 years, 12 months ago

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I hate it there too even if i still use it, what would you recommend a artist to do after they leave twitter?

Kupok

2 years, 12 months ago

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Some time ago, I sorta noticed it has the same energy as a chan board

I took a year long break from it, but I have sort of slid back... I hope that you're break from it grants you good mental health and that you're able to resist the temptation of NOW for longer then I.

KNIFE

2 years, 12 months ago

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Good for you.
Hopefully more people will follow your example.

ZwolfJareAlt306

2 years, 12 months ago

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All the best to you going forward. :)

Jayjay9201

2 years, 12 months ago

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I think this quote describes that site best, "Never before has there ever been a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

RegiosRhenac

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ Jayjay9201

Well, I'm gonna paraphrase one of my favorite Eclipse Phase quotes for this: Calling Twitter a hive of scum and villainy is an insult to scum and villains.

Jayjay9201

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ RegiosRhenac

Are you implying that these crazies are worse than that? Because I sure as hell don’t know much worse than that lol.

RegiosRhenac

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ Jayjay9201

Scum and villains usually know that they are doing bad things and admit it. I have seen some fuckers who goaded people into suicide or ruined their lives to the point that everyone around them hated their guts with false accusations. And they wore it like a badge of honor, always thinking that the things they did were good and righteous. To them, people who disagree with them are life unworthy of life, and they are the heroes cleansing the world of undesirables.

Jayjay9201

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ RegiosRhenac

Okay, I see your point, but that only goes for bad guys in fiction, Most villains in reality hardly ever see themselves as such, they always believe themselves to be in the right. (Hitler believed himself and his followers to be the "chosen ones" as he put it, destined to lead the world to peace. lol) As you yourself described, the people on twitter are no different than that, they commit these atrocities out of that twisted sense of righteousness. You know what though, you DID get me to change my stance on this, I now believe that these moron's aren't good enough to be considered villains, considering that these lunatics would rather attack fiction that any real version of what they have issues with, they're too cowardly.

RegiosRhenac

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ Jayjay9201

That too, I had forgotten about that! They love to roleplay activist, but when the time comes to actually do some heavy lifting? Too good for them, they're already doing their part on a website.

I should probably stop. The more I think about that hellsite, the angrier I get, and you have already gotten the point.

tkongingi

2 years, 12 months ago

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The internet keeps trying to reinvent BBS but worse.

megacycle

2 years, 12 months ago

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That's been my experience with twitter as well... So much hate and anger, over something that most would consider petty or a small misunderstanding. There is no nuance when you say something online, no vocal inflection and usually no context outside of how the reader feels. What could have been playful picking or a joke has spiralled into chaos. Politics, politicians, the media, and twitter staff only make it worse. Making neutral people pick a side when they just want to remain neutral. Pushing that if you're not with me you're against me mentality. It's a dumpster fire. lol

farfox

2 years, 12 months ago

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I agree, although I wonder why you think atomization is crucial to good internet interaction? Not saying you're wrong, just wondering why it has to be that way.

It's a shame though, I think for the purpose of "posting stuff for friends" it has a very nice format- you can share things in a less temporally sensitive manner than chatrooms with your friends. I did like catching up with my friends' posts sharing things about their life or fun things or random thoughts.

It's also so hard to get friends together in the same part of the internet without resorting to twitter or facebook. I have to jump between discord, steam, and twitter DMs to keep up with everyone...

Norithics

2 years, 12 months ago

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@ farfox

It's because of something called Dunbar's Number. Look it up, it's very interesting and goes a long way to explain why universal sites that everyone is on don't work well.

PersonaMaltz

2 years, 11 months ago

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@ Norithics

I'm super happy someone else is talking about Dunbar's Number theory, because I think it's critical in considering the impact social media today.

Social Density theory(from the Mouse Utopia Experiment [which Secret of Nimh is based off of]) is also something to look up (though not too deep if you're squeamish about rat on rat violence that happened). It explains why everyone is getting a bit weird I believe, feeling like an area is too crowded, but it's really just too many voices in social media.

Gafildafishness

2 years, 12 months ago

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I'm so glad I never did like social media in general, always more trouble than it's worth. I'm even thinking about stopping watching youtube with how things are going these days...

DialBforBear

2 years, 12 months ago

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That seems for the best. Twitter is only good at two things: viewing polarized hate and smut. And technically other parts of the internet do smut viewing better.

dedmuse124

2 years, 12 months ago

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I completely agree.

BouncingBonny2

2 years, 12 months ago

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That's why the only reason I'm on there right now is because of Yugioh/Pokemon TCG sweepstakes and to follow artists that are exclusively on there. Besides that, it's a nightmare there. If you value your mental health, don't make an account there. lol

evoyager

2 years, 12 months ago

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i never liked Twitter in the first place

Stryderfox

2 years, 12 months ago

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I've never used or download twitter. I'm thankful for my decision.

pyrostinger

2 years, 11 months ago

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Not that I'm about to do this, but I honestly wonder if there's an argument to be made for Twitter.

PersonaMaltz

2 years, 11 months ago

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@ pyrostinger

There is only two 'healthy' ways I've seen Twitter and other social media used. The first is simply as an announcement system, no comments allowed. The second is as a reference system... where comments have to have links/pictures to what they are talking about to get past the 280 character limit. It takes a lot more moderation, typically hiring a moderator to keep it clean as it's almost a full time job in itself.

ElCid

2 years, 11 months ago

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I never thought I'd see the day where TUMBLR would start to look like a better place to be than Twitter.

normalperson

2 years, 9 months ago

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It’s true! And it’s sad to watch what it’s doing to what were once happy productive artists like Durg and happyroadkill. If you look at their twitter it’s just 24/7 retweeting despair porn and hate posting. And I know exactly what they are going through. Twitter had me addicted to a self destructive cycle until I got in a fucking car accident because I was so obsessed with checking updates on tweets I didn’t notice a car stopping in front of me.

Twitter is toxic

Norithics

2 years, 9 months ago

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@ normalperson

Jesus christ that's terrible. I'm glad you survived.

shirtbusters

2 years, 8 months ago

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This may be an old post, but this has got to be the best decision you've ever made. I made a grave mistake in trying to make something of myself on Twitter. The bulk of its users are wholly unreasonable people with naïve outlooks on life that want nothing but to vilify those who make art of things they don't like. I and so many others were outright accused of advocating real life crimes, just because of what we drew and posted. And I admittedly let my anger for the people who'd do that get the better of me, and it caused me to say things I regret to this day.

After getting away from that place, I ended up doing a whole lot better. I finally graduated from college, starting exercising again, and now I'm currently studying for a certification to help with my future career, as well as starting up art commissions on this website, FA, and Baraag. And after being off of Twitter for so long, I came to understand this:

The moment you understand the majority of Twitter's users are coddled, miserable people who don't understand the world and can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality, and that you're not the villain they think you are and they'll be stuck endlessly complaining and vilifying people forever, is the moment things will start getting easier.

Norithics

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ shirtbusters

It's not that the individual people on Twitter are inherently bad necessarily- it's that the incentives of the website and the way that it's structured make it a Consensus Engine. It's like being thrown naked into a public park where everyone else in the world is. Without any way of filtering out the kind of content you see, everyone learns everything about everyone all at once- something we were never meant to do. There's no privacy and no room for nuance, so the only currency is consensus (self-evident truths or whatever "feels" correct), and snappy comebacks. It's the worst parts of high school, multiplied by the population of earth.

shirtbusters

2 years, 8 months ago

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@ Norithics

Indeed. A very horrifying experience, to be sure. I didn't expect you to be so inquisitive, by the way. I ended up learning more about you with this journal.

TesseractParadox

2 years, 5 months ago

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Yeah I more or less came to this same realization recently and had to try and fully quit twitter three times before it stuck. At least I made a friend or two there.

doctorinsane

2 years, 5 months ago

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Not being on Twitter is a good call, as people already seemed to have fallouts saying you are a pedo. With people claiming you groomed someone. Overall Twitter was already trying to start drama before it stopped once you left.

Norithics

2 years, 5 months ago

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@ doctorinsane

What?? That I groomed someone?? Who on earth would I groom? I've never been to a con and I'm busy taking care of my husband all day.

doctorinsane

2 years, 5 months ago

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@ Norithics

Someone tried starting drama against you when you still had a Twitter. Even had someone in the comments to this https://mobile.twitter.com/IkBenStokoud/status/13551641... and accused you of grooming someone. It’s a good thing you left as it seems people tried to push a drama against you due to simply drawing art :V

Norithics

2 years, 5 months ago

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@ doctorinsane

... How in the fuck can you groom someone when you're both the same age.
People really will just say whatever the hell they want. Amazing.

doctorinsane

2 years, 5 months ago

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@ Norithics

People seem to crave justifying hating someone for drawing something fictional, so clearly any lie said is just not questioned in a hell site like Twitter

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