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Poulet7

inception question here..

ok I'm watching inception for the second time ever while working on my comic commission and it downed on me. in the beginning he shoots his friend in the head to wake him up from the girls knee shot torture. ok, but with them having already been in a 2 lvl dream, wouldn't that mean his friend should have gone into a coma and been stuck in limbo? cause the main dream sequence that the whole movie is about plays on the idea that, if your in a stacked dream and you die, your mid will be lost. please let me know if im wrong. now, back to watching and working on my comic.
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Aogami
6 years, 3 months ago
You only go into a coma if you're in the furthest level of the dream when you die. The level 4 one.

My biggest plot hole concerning the movie is the end when they're in the level 3 dream - the snow fortress. The order they enter the 4th level of the dream contradicts the plot. Saito stays in level 3 to buy them time, jumping into the final level of the dream only AFTER the rest of them make the dive, so he shouldn't be an old man when they find him there. They should be the old ones when he finally gets there.
Poulet7
6 years, 3 months ago
very ture. because it should have taken them years to find him, with it being his dream and state of mind, he should have been young, just like him and his wife. thanks for clearing that up. *continues to watch and sketch*
Poulet7
6 years, 3 months ago
ok i got to the part they just explained it. it wasn't cause of the dream lvls, it was because of the chemist. the Sedatives he made were coma educing. so much so that there was no other way to wake them up unless they were to be in free fall. with saito having died in between lvls, even then there was no way for them to get him because he was in between, in limbo.
Aogami
6 years, 3 months ago
Well, technically limbo is just the name for the fourth and last level, where if you die you go comatose.
Poulet7
6 years, 3 months ago
ah.nice to sit down and watch it again. reminds me why i bought it on bluray / dvd pack. i like the ending. hell the inception they make about his father and him is so sweet, i cant help but feel for the son. poor kid.
Aogami
6 years, 3 months ago
it IS kinda nice that they give him closure about his dad, and yes the cause is kind of righteous with the whole breaking up a monopoly thing, but it's still manipulation at it's most core, basic level and in that ... they're all kind of despicable. xD

But between the happy ending and the faceless government agencies chasing him around the globe and whatnot you really do have to wonder whether it's all a dream, and the possibility of it sort of robs you of the satisfaction you get from seeing him reunite with his kids. Also, you never see the children's faces and they wear the same clothes throughout the entire movie regardless of the circumstances in which you see them. I can't help but think that's by design.
Munashi
6 years, 3 months ago
Actually, the fourth level IS limbo. That's why the buildings and such were there when Cobb and Ariadne went down. Cobb even explains this. And why Cobb says he'll "Stay down here and look for Saito". For whatever reason, the buildings collapse because of the kick and Cobb washes up on the beach in some other part of Limbo where Saito is. (But still the same dream level.) It's the whole getting out of limbo mechanic that's effed up. If you get stuck there when you die in the dream, why the hell does a simple death there bring you all the way back out? Like when Cobb and his wife were there. They went 4 levels deep, and were "stuck" So why did the train death wake them up, even if they were down there for 50 years? Wouldn't they just go vegetative? Lol its a neat movie definitely, but there's enough incongruencies if you look to make your brain go in circles. xD
AndyBunneh
6 years, 3 months ago
*reads the above posts*

*head explodes*
Poulet7
6 years, 3 months ago
lol
arkaid
6 years, 3 months ago
No, what makes him go to limbo is the sedative they're using. It won't wake them up unless they're "kicked".

As far as I understood it.

Since in the first part (dream within a dream) they're not using the sedative, the shot woke him up.

EDIT: It's explained when they're about to shoot Sato
Poulet7
6 years, 3 months ago
yeah as i got to the 1 hour mark of the movie they explained it just the way you said it. i just jumped the gun is all. so nice to watch the movie again though. so awesome.
Lightfox
6 years, 3 months ago
Imho, inception is the kinda story one shouldn't watch too many times, because...the first time, your mind is blown away, but every following watching will reveal another plot hole...like the thing about sato mentioned by aogami, or the fact it's not really clear what happens at the end at lvl 1 till the sedative's effect is over (for instance, do they still have to escape the militarised projections?).
BlackroseWriter
6 years, 3 months ago
Never try to figure out this movie. I tried for a month and I wanted to shoot myself afterwords.
daemonicusprince
6 years, 3 months ago
^This

The concept is so far ahead of our ability to comprehend, that it occasionally gets away from even the writers, which I can forgive as I have a hard time following the implications, let alone dreaming them up.

I kinda got pissed at "In Time" as well, the premise seemed as potentially mind-blowing promising as Inception, "years of life as currency", rich potential to explore how sociology/behavior is affected by such a radical alteration in the way lives are constructed, but instead they just went with a trite anticapitalist screed.  Maybe someday someone can redo it and "go deeper".
yiharbin
6 years, 3 months ago
I think your right

I think its funny finding holes in movies
XD
Munashi
6 years, 3 months ago
I kinda want to know what the actual term is for going into a dream, and for going into a dream within a dream. Plenty of ignorant people just call it "inception", but that's actually the planting of an idea within the subconscious. And extraction is the taking of an idea from the subconscious. So what's the process actually called?
ryutakai
6 years, 3 months ago
They guy that makes the sedative says that it is so powerful that dying in a dream will not wake you up when put to sleep with it.
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