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KevinSnowpaw

Clearing the Air

I know I made a new years resolution to pull back on the politics which considering all the stuff going on in 2020. Now in 2021 it is not going to be easy, but I mean to uphold that resolution. That being the case; I do feel in light of recent events, that I need to clear the air so to speak and make my stance on a few KEY issues VERY well established, since for some stupid reason people seem to think my opinion is important. So here goes.
In regards to the assault on the Capital Building by Trump Supporters.
There was a large gathering of Trump and Pro Republican protesters gathered outside the capital building in protest of what they believe is fishy election results, with the intent to get congress to vote on a federal investigation into voter fraud.
I was in support of this as it was their legal right.
However a small group, or shall I say a small mob, decided that democracy has failed us and took it upon themselves to storm the capital building.  To trespass on federal property, break into a federal building with congress present and in session, delay and interfere with the governance of our nation and force the evacuation and temporary shut down of all activity in the capital building.
This has never happened before in US history.
They then proceeded to engage in MEME like shenanigans like taking photos of themselves in Nancy Pelosi's office. (OK that is kind of funny but still deeply inappropriate) They lowered the American flag and raising a Trump flag, hanging a Confederate flag IN the capital building...While I support your right to fly a Confederate flag if you so choose; it has no place in the capital building, none what so ever.
These were not Patriots, they were fucking MORONS.
I would call them seditionists, but I don't think they even put enough thought into their actions to be truly guilty of sedition, perhaps we could say they engaged in low level domestic terrorism (do what we want or else).
I want to make a few things perfectly clear. This is Not how Patriots act. IF you don't agree with the results of an election or IF you feel that the election results are somehow false or tampered with you have the right to stand up for what you believe in and take REASONABLE and LEGAL measures to protect your interests and the integrity of your vote. There are ways to do this, channels you can go through, people you can write who are meant to represent your interests.  Leading an Assault on the Federal government... Is a LAST fucking resort! The kind your are only supposed to use when the Totalitarian Regime that has taken over is shooting civilians in the streets...
The last time I checked, Fraud or No Fraud, The USA is STILL a Democratic Republic (We are NOT a democracy contrary to popular belief, but a Republic in which representatives are elected by democratic means.) and we should conduct ourselves as such!
So while I Support the First Amendment Right to the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Yes even by people I fucking Despise (I'm look at you Antifa!)
The moment you throw bricks, light shit on fire, or decide to perpetrate multiple HIGH CRIMES AGAINS YOUR OWN NATION! (And Harm others in the process, physically, financially, etc...)You lose my fucking support.
I Fully Condemn these people for what little my opinion is worth.
I GET what they were trying to do. I understand how they feel. But, all I can say is...  “You guys... FUCKED IT UP!”
You will be LUCKY if you don't spend a long, LONG time in PRISON for this stunt...


Now that that is out of the way let me get some of the other things out of the way here.

"But Kevin! Didn't you support trump?"
Yes and No, I supported the Republican Party, to that end I supported Trump over Hillary.  I took a gamble on Trump being the right amount of chaos to wake people UP and get them motivated to not select shit lords like well... Like Trump and Hillary but at least Trump wasn't part of the career politician Democrat establishment.
I was largely correct in my assumption and while I am not happy with everything Trump did in his first term he, or perhaps I should say his Administration, gave me a lot of things I wanted. Tighter border control, they started pulling more troops out of the middle east, we sat down and talked with North Korea.  Nobody has managed that before!  I paid A LOT less in health insurance premiums than I did under Obama.  My taxes went down slightly (I am poor. They would have been even lower if I was wealthy.  I am aware of this.) He brought back jobs that had been sent overseas.  I felt like somebody was actually representing the majority of the working class,  instead of pandering to squeaky wheels... the list goes on.
Maybe it was his administration that is to be thanked for this and not him. I fully expected him to be a goof off president for 4 years and then we could ditch him.  I was not expecting to get anything good out of it. The only noticeable drawback to the original Trump presidency was his fucking Mouth. Every time the Clown in Chief opened his fat Orange face I cringed a little. Even this, however, served to add to the Chaos that was, At the time, Doing more good than Harm, like it or not. So i tolerated it.  I tolerated it fully expecting it to motivate Republicans and Democrats out of complacency and to awaken the American people to the importance of their involvement in politics.  And it worked.  In 2020's election between Trump and Biden we had the largest voter turn out in history.  Unfortunately it only half worked... I was hoping the Democrat's would pull their party out of it's nose dive and give us a better candidate than Joe Biden and Harris... I do not  have a major issue with Joe.  But, I worry about other things, Harris for one...  It became clear that I had to roll the bones again! I really DID NOT like my options. Deciding that the Democratic Party needed another prod in the right direction, I threw my support behind the Republican party again...  Which, I suppose is fitting, I voted for Obama twice maybe the Universe demands balance.  If you all MUST know my first choice of candidate was Tulsi Gabbard.
This was all fine until Trump started to lose and then lost his god damn mind.  He stood back and encouraged these violent idiots calling them special, and thanking them even as he told them to go home.
After this chaos Congress reconvened and completed the democratic process.
As I said I am first and foremost a Patriot. So until farther notice, Yes,  Joe Biden is my President. Should it turn out, down the line that we find out he did win by electoral shenanigans, we will address that when it is brought to light. But for now, we are out of time and he IS the President.
Now they are talking about invoking the 25th Amendment which would make the Vice President Mike Pence the President of the United States, for the remainder of Trump's term and put him in charge of the transition of power.  Democrats you should probably be hoping for this. It would likely mean a much smoother transition than what you can expect if Trump remains president.  For the sake of mending some of the damage. I just want to say, “This shit has gone far enough!”  If the 25th Amendment is invoked, I will support it. If it is not, I can only hope that Trump will be able to muster the grace and humility to pass the torch with some shred of dignity (not likely but one can hope).

To the Republicans and Conservatives that watch me, I understand your values and I agree with many of them. I realize that a Biden Presidency is not what you wanted. It is not what I wanted. In the end however I know you will accept that the democratic process has done it's duty, and hopefully will Select a magnificent candidate for the next presidential election.  (Not bloody likely!  It never does!  It always ends up in a choice between the lesser of two evils.  We have become a government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich.. They don't' give a damn about the common man, Democrat or Republican.)

To the Democrats, Liberals and Progressives who watch me. I've made it no secret. I  DO NOT like the politics of your party at the moment! However, I do respect the will of the people, and for better or worse, they have chosen Biden. Given the alternative, I can't honestly say that I blame them. Trump has been many things to many people but divisive is something he has been to us all. To you I say, just like the Republicans have had to deal with for many years now, you guys have some bat shit insane fuckers in your party, but like the Republicans, nothing is all bad or all good.  Get your house in order! Or they will destroy it from within. You cannot win the trust of the American people when vocal portions of your side of the spectrum are things like avowed Communists. You cannot trust that another Trump will come along and act the buffoon and hand you another election after this one.  You have won both the Executive and Legislative branches of Government this time around and this is a disturbing level of power.  (Which we know for damn sure that the Democrats and the crazies in their party will take full advantage of!  As they say, when the cat is away, the mice will play.)  We can only pray that the Judicial branch keeps them in line.  I pray that you use it wisely, you use it well, and you use it with consideration and the knowledge that America is a great nation that we all share, try not to rock the boat to much OK. I hope you can restore my faith in the Democratic Party.

To the Moderates like myself who may lean one way or another, I know you have mostly been silent. This is all terrifying! I feel, even as I type this, like I am standing raw and naked in front of angry wolves. You are not alone. We will move forward through this together.


To My Fans. I love you all, your political affiliation has no bearing on this.

To My Detractors, I ask only that you try to understand me, and know that, the only thing that I have ever wanted is what I felt was best for My Country, and that's how I intend to continue going foreword.

To my Fellow Countrymen. We stand at a precipice (Again). Let us not let a bunch of crusty old stuffed shirts ruin everything our forefathers built. We are INCITED! Because we are IMPASSIONED! We are Impassioned because we honestly, really do care about our nation, in this, regardless of our differences, we are Brothers and Sisters.  (No  wait.. We aren't allowed to use gendered pronouns anymore in politics...   The crazies have spoken! I Honestly Cannot fucking understand how this shit is a real thing now look it up!)

If we must quarrel, let it be as family with the knowledge that we  love each other, that we should love each other. That the reason for our frustration IS that love. We are stronger together then we can ever be alone. Nothing strong can be conquered from without, it can only ever be conquered from within.  (Let us remember what Nikita Krushchev Premier of the Soviet Union said to us long ago, “We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within....” )

To those who Hate America, who think the grand experiment in freedom has failed and it should all just burn to the ground..

I have words for you, but they have no place here, and Niether do you.

I am Going to leave the comments section on here open, for now.

This is NOT the time or the place to express your political view point, I don't want to see any attacks in the comment section below, this is your fair warning that I will remove it or lock it down.

I just know that people are a bit freaked out and they want to talk. So talk, but keep it Civil.


"…when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views."  - Benjamin Franklin

a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what we got a republic or a monarchy”
“A republic” replied the Doctor “if you can keep it.”
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ChadBull
3 years, 3 months ago
Really well written, thanks for expressing your thoughts!
Neos8
3 years, 3 months ago
Thats well said.
ClaudiaDoe
3 years, 3 months ago
this is honestly very well written and very respectful, i rarely if ever care for american politics cause, it's not my country and the people who talk about it are usually batshit insane, but you expressed yourself extremely well and in an really mature manner, good job! i hope you guys the best with the next few years in general, it's gonna be extremely rough for everyone to recover financially from the pandemic
FluffyFeetOnADarkMoon
3 years, 3 months ago
I find it strange that it seems to me, everyone upset now over the professional wrestling madness being broadcast constantly now were all strangely quiet when the same situation (minus police killing a protestor and etc) happened in 2018 when the capital was occupied by people protesting a different inauguration of a man named Brett Kavanaugh.
I was told to not think much of it by most americans who were not far right and honestly I agreed. I stand by the same standard. Right or Left american or otherwise i'm not going to weep for those in power being protested.
Laws are laws though and in America or anywhere else I wouldn't be dumb enough go out of my way to break them even if there might be a double standard
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
Kavanaugh's protesters didn't trash the place on the way in or on the way out.
No lockdowns had to occur anywhere.
They did not breach barricades or brawl with capitol police.
There was lots of noise and traffic disruption, but no vandalism, and no direct threat to or disruption of actual government functions.
They did not come armed with firearms, IEDs and zip-ties for hostage taking.

There is no comparison between that show and this one.
FluffyFeetOnADarkMoon
3 years, 3 months ago
That is blatently not true sorry. Many hundreds were arrested and there was video of forceful entry of locked and barricaded doors, which many were charged for. And there was also a shut down according to the official women's march twitter account at the time, due to the protestors trying to break down all of the potential exits https://twitter.com/womensmarch/status/1047935356673437...

I was also shown video of Police men opening barricades and escorting right wing protestors inside which I find odd, but I do assume that other barricades must have been broken after others not let in saw other protestors already inside, but the evidence I saw even though its suprising is still true

Americans are the country of the double standard. They like it when some people do one thing and hate when another does. It's gotten so bad they no longer even hide their biases, because they assume everyone else has them too. very sad.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
What a shame the capitol police could not respond so quickly or effectively to what happened Wednesday. it would have been interesting to see how far the women would have gone.
But the Trumpers? They set some standards here, boy:

https://www.revolt.tv/news/2021/1/8/22220953/trump-capi...



FluffyFeetOnADarkMoon
3 years, 3 months ago
I really can't decipher any kind of argument or point here that relates to me beyond wishing to see the "how far" the event years ago "could have gone"? Pardon me but that seems like a really bad contradiction. But i'm just glad it's not mine. In my view both protests are of just cause and i support them both. Ultimately because they are both protesting the places and people that actually matter, rather than declaring war on a local McDonalds. and it is a shame when incidents go too far because of a few individuals who through their lives away spiting the law, but if all I can take away from you is that you wished that the former incident was taken even farther because allegedly the majority are female... Then I don't think there's anything to gain from this conversation, I refuse to hold such a bias. But you can and I will endlessly support your right to believe whatever you want and express it, so im happy for that
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
I would like to remind you both to keep it civil and not let things get to heated ok. THat being said I do agree here if your GOING to "get active" and "do something" it is better to direct that energy twords the government weather it be a protest a march or a rally or even, as much as I DISAPPROVE a Riot,  then to burn and loot a target...Thats shit shity fuck witts useing any excuse to loot.
Etis
3 years, 3 months ago
I am from a country where elections are always rigged for decades, and I can say this - you can't legally fight against those who create laws. It is a lost cause from the beginning. Your republicans lost this battle at the moment mail-in balots were widely allowed. Your leftists went so far left that they went full circle and are now far right. And I am not aware of any cases when fascist-like regimes were legally changed.
FluffyFeetOnADarkMoon
3 years, 3 months ago
You are correct but there have to be better ways to actually deal with tyranny than dumb vandalization of property. All that does is cause drama. And there are legal ways. Many places in such a large country as america at least from what I've heard from some people who I've met who live in certain towns. sanctuary city denied to follow immigration rules under trump administration and cetrain towns do not enforce gun ban laws according to people i've met who have lived in such places. Choosing where to live and work is much more effective than giving establishment political points isn't it?
Newt65
3 years, 3 months ago
Well written. I've gotten to the point I literally just don't care what happens to this country as long as me, my friends, family, and the innocent are left out of it. I judge no one, everyone in my mind should live in whatever peaceful way they want. Really this country needs to be rebuilt and everyone should come together as one. I stand for Love, equality, and freedom in all forms, but then again these are my thoughts. I hope that everyone is safe and well.
Netreek
3 years, 3 months ago
Back then the choice was Trump or Clinton.  Who would be the lesser evil? That Biden would win was also kind of clear for me. Trump let to much BS out of his mouth. For that after that he might go straight to jail aswell now, because of the crimes he comitted. That people would storm the capitol was kinda to see after he would give such a speech. I just remember the scene, which caused that now on EVERY Sagrotan bottle you find the note: Don't inject it in your body.
Biden has next to fix all the damages that Trump is about to cause, being the bad loser he is. Trump is the little kid who throws down the table, once loosing the game. And his behaivour proves it.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
Clinton was the lesser evil, of course.
She's a known quantity, dislikes Putin, and actually understands that public service does not mean the public exists to serve her.
Compared to all the shit Trump has vomited upon us, the scandals of the Clinton years seem almost quaint.

Only Donald Trump could provoke me to wish for four more years of Mr. and Mrs. Trouble Magnet. I can't believe I have to type that.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
We agree to disagree on this point I would however be remiss if I did not acknowledge that the margin here is so razor thin its honestly a matter of perspective. The reality is we may never know. I still maintain the Clinton's were more dangerous on a political level and trump being the wild card more dangerous on the PR front.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
Nonsense.

Trading a dumpster fire for a flaming train wreck is *not* a trade up.

The GOP will always revile the Clintons because they never beat the Clintons. Slick Willy politicked circles around them, and Killary took them to school for eleven hours on live TV during Benghazi Hearing #12346782. Yes the Clintons were on board for that systemic evil that was the War On Crime, but the Clintons scared the shit out of the GOP for all the truly progressive things they wanted to do, none of which benefited white male heterosexual conservative Christian men, exclusively.

Trump undermined America both internally and on the world stage, achieving a scant handful of laudable accomplishments-- most of which he then promptly sabotaged because he cannot resist making every issue all about himself, and because he cannot withstand even the first atom of criticism.

Trump gave the GOP all their right-wing judges, freed American business to return to their plundering, and issued lots of edicts to hurt everyone the GOP faithful wanted to hurt-- which is to say all the non-GOP faithful.

But Trump still lost. By seven million legitimate votes. Four red states flipped blue in 2020 because of his awful antics, including Georgia. GEORGIA!!!! What kind of a GOP POTUS flips Georgia to blue?!?!?!?!
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
this kind apparently, and I'm afraid I dont agree with your opinion here, but I tend to see other dangerous in the Clintons, not just as polaticiaions but as a political Dynasty. If you follow the money (and take a good long look at the clinton foundation while your at it) they are, Sketch as hell. Supporting all kinds of horrible shit. Theres stupid and ignorent and potentialy destructive (trump) and then there knowingly, willfully evil. (clintons) this aint even a right vs left thing. The clintons are scum.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
No.
No, no, no.
Trump is not stupid. Not in the least. He is clever and devious and manipulative, he is quick-thinking and has tremendous rhetorical skills. He is driven, focused, bigoted and vicious. He is is reckless, totally myopic and entirely narcissistic, if not outright psychopathic. But he is NOT stupid. At all.

Having both a husband and wife with blatant political ambitions doth not a dynasty make. Multiple gens need to get involved, concurrently, and Chelsea seems rather uninterested. The Masshole Kennedys are a legit political dynasty. The Connecticut Bushes are as well. The Trumps want to be, at least they talk some about it.

And yes, the Clintons have lots of stink on them. They carry more ugly baggage than American Airlines. But the GOP has expended any moral capital on this deal with the devil Trump. They sacrificed all their ideals for the exchange of power and cultural revenge. Was it worth it?
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
but the GOp! but the Gop! But the GOP!

this journals not about the GoP it's not about the DNC but I can go on for days about there sins, thats kinda the problem here. We need less indoctrination not more of it, othering what aboutism and finger pointing solves nothing, nither party is clean nither party is "better" then the other thats a dangerous, stupid assumption. They have there strong points and there weak points. They each have there areas were there a problem.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
Trump is not a symptom. He is a cypher. An avatar. A full representation of the conservative Id.
The motif of history is proven inerrant.
There are legit reasons so much of the GOP was willing to instantly overlook his so-numerous moral failings.
There are legit reasons Trump is still so popular with so much of the GOP, even after this week.
There are legit reasons that nearly half of the GOP body politic APPROVED of the raid on Congress.
Trump is really what they are like. As they say, he shouts the quiet parts out loud.
And it is not pretty at all. It never has been.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
Ahh your right I understand now, Trumps just a liveing Incarnation of the Egyptian god of Chaos Kek. It all makes sence now.


I am.. kinda done with these entire topic of conversation, No offense intended but arguments that go "all of the conservatives" or "all the liberals" is a argument not worth my continueing to entertain. Take a few steps back and realize youve got a pretty strong bise twords one group over the other and it's got your blinders on.
AsherTye
3 years, 3 months ago
Sorry you had to break your New Year's Resolution so soon, but for what it's worth this is a very good journal.  Hopefully the year settles down from here.
MystBunny
3 years, 3 months ago
Few things.

Getting troops out of the middle east:
He had the authority to just end those wars at any time. The president might need congress to declare war, but has the power to declare peace on his own. Lowering the number of troops and then quietly ramping them back up or shifting them around was pretty much the same stunt that Obama pulled.

Peace talks with North Korea:
Full credit on this. I think most of us, left and right, breathed a sigh of relief when this happened since it appeared he was about to provoke them into launching a nuke at South Korea or Japan, assuming they had the capability for the latter, then suddenly de-escalated tensions, and while I still maintain the Democrats, with a few exceptions are largely a lesser evil, their resistance to Trump talking with Kim Jong Un was pathetic and stupid, and I hope Biden doesn't reverse course on this. I don't exactly have confidence that he won't.

Bringing jobs back to the US:
Well... depends on the industry. He brought jobs back in some industries where others were shipped MORE overseas.

Tighter border control:
I'm gonna have to draw the line here at launching tear gas across the border into crowds of mothers and children at the very least. Whether you feel they deserved asylum or not, they didn't deserve that.

His mouth:
Didn't really care about this too much except that he really needed to calm his base down

From what I understand, Trump knows that he lost. He knows the election was legit, but he wants to rile up his base because he WILL run again in 2024... assuming New York doesn't convict him of financial crimes. I mean he brought over 50 lawsuits to the courts, and apart from one procedural case, when it came time to present evidence, the lawsuits crumbled hard. Not to mention they didn't actually call it election fraud IN the courts, just in public. It's just a stunt for his 2024 run, and I'm annoyed a lot of people aren't seeing it. He'll win the primary in 2024, and we'll have Trump vs Biden all over again, assuming we don't succeed in primarying Biden while he's in office, which would be very unlikely.
Netreek
3 years, 3 months ago
What if the Republicans don't want to have Trump as President anymore and choose someone else, but him. He can't do a solo stunt in the name of the Republicans, can he?
MystBunny
3 years, 3 months ago
The Republicans can't stop him if he wins the primary, and the polls that I've seen suggest the republicans don't have a candidate that can beat him. That miiiiiight change the longer this election fraud stunt goes on? but... not sure.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
Republicans had literally sixteen other candidates to choose for POTUS other than Donnie Combover. But Donnie was the most vile, the more unrepentant, the most shameless, the most vulgar, the most openly bigoted, and the most disrespectful of anything that got in his way. And this is exactly why the GOPers chose him.

Donnie's presidency was no fluke. The GOP have truly been this thoroughly nasty the entire time. They've just been quiet about it up to now. But in Donald J. Trump they found their true avatar, and they adore him as if he were God.

Everything you said Donnie gave you that you wanted, any GOP POTUS would have given you. Donnie's actual practical policies were very GOP boilerplate stuff. Donnie got elected for his tremendous entertainment value alone, and everyone knows it.

Any economic gains earned during Donnie's term were compromised first by his sloppy trade wars, and then near-fully wiped out by his downright murderous leadership failure against COVID-19.

National security suffered hideously under Trump, as he constantly turned a blind eye to Russia's actions, ignored NS briefings and protocols and really just couldn't be bothered with anything international that did not involve or profit himself. Donnie didn't get cozy with Kim because of any ambition of world peace. Donnie LIKES Kim and how he runs things. He ADMIRES him for his tyranny.

If you support withdrawing all those troops, remember that every void America leaves on the world stage, Russia and China are all too happy to fill. They have already done so on several occasions.

The Democrats do not need any governing advice from a Trump voter. Your judgement has been fully displayed, and it is found severely wanting.

Trump is what you "felt was best" for America, and you have been proven disastrously wrong, to everyone's injury. Trump's nefarious nature was never any secret. His awful character is a matter of public record going back to the early 1970s. And the GOP elected him precisely because he is this much of an utter scumbag.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
No your right it wasn't a fluke. it was not however done out of spite or knowledge of trumps ass head attitude. They needed a powerful charismatic person to stand up to Hillary. Trump lite a fire with core Republicans and people in the middle who felt ignored and disenfranchised duspite being part of the majority population. He spoke to a group of people who felt ignored in lieu of vocal minority groups and this was increasingly frustrating for them on top of that he tested well with meny African and Mexican Americans. His populace approach gave the impression he could take it from the dems and they were right.


His election was a symptom of the situation.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
If all the Trumpers I dealt with in 2016 are any indication, spite was a major engine in the Trump vote. "Stigginit" was one of their main rallying cries. Lots didn't even care about conservative policyt per-se, they just wanted a helping of culture war revenge.
Trump is a master salesman. He knows exactly what to say to sell people on whatever he's peddling. All this talk about Trump not being a politician! As if you can succeed in NYC and not be! He was no kind of outsider, he worked the Big Apple's machinery for decades.
And it's not like he meant any of it. He belongs to the class of Americans who constantly screw over everyone who deals with them so he can get rich at their expense. And he got away with it for decades. And that's what a lot of his voters found attractive. His regard for the cattle really came into focus during those latter-day rallies when he left all his fans literally out in the cold and the dark after he was done sopping up all their applause.
And funny thing, a lot of the Trumpers who "felt left out" tended to be #1: those lovely Low-education Voters, or #2: people who usually yell at other about bootstraps in times of adversity. Funny how people complain about government not doing enough to help them, when they proudly hail from red states whose conservative, small-government leadership pride themselves on not helping the people survive.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
NO a lot of the peole who voted Trump were and are disenfrancised working class americans who have not be looked at, or looked after as far as there thoughts needs and concerns go for a long time. There the Majority, and there average in everyway. There boreing, they dont get you media attention they dont scare up a vote from group a or group b, there not, generaly speaking minority status. theres the lower class and whats left of the mostly completly gone middle class. Trump said the right things to attact there attention, I see you, I here you, your the silent majority and you desrve to be represented.

Thats what wont trump the office in the first place, and the fact that people keep ignoreing the real reason why trump one, the existance of those disnfranchised voters, just leads me to belive sooner or later this will repeat itself.

Trump was a Symptom.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
But when we heard from those forgotten voters, all we got was endless recitations of the lines fed to them by Trump and their own media.
A lot of those people are downtrodden because they both lack the education for advancement, or the opportunity via economic policies that their own conservatives leaders put into law to please their rich buddies. And then when the economic prosperity via the gonzo tax cuts came into effect, Trump started trade wars that drove prices up and oops there goes the bounty!
It's the GOP who keeps the poor being poor, by busting unions and instituting policies that tilt the field and divert as much power and wealth to the rich as they can. Anything that does not serve those ends is declared 'socialist' or 'communist' or 'government overreach'. And the Trumpers are willing to live in their poverty and deprivation so long as the GOP also 'hurts the right people' as well.
And so many of these are Trumpers are long-time if not lifetime Red State people. They are living under the small-government, no-interference, no-welfare, no-taxes society they so loudly declare they want. Why are they unsatisfied?
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
the assumption that there stupid or poor is part of the problem, the delusion that the GoP is at fualt, also part of the problem.


This is not a Partsian ISSUE theres players on both sides of the isle perfectly content to take advantage.
TheAtomicDog
3 years, 3 months ago
I never said anyone was stupid. I said they lacked the education. And their own polling during 2016 said it first, over and over again. Even Trump himself said "I love the un-educated!". Now: exactly why would he?

Go and research the economic policies in America. Esp. the state level stuffs. See whom passes what, where. See whom benefits, and whom suffers.
If the GOP are in charge of so much of America, and yet things are shitty all over, then whom is responsible?
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
and yet the shittyist parts of American tend to be it's major metropolitan areas, run exclusively by Democrat's. I was prety clear in my journal that Im gonna ock topics if they get out of hand or stray to far into the "BUT MEH PARTYS THE GOOD PARTY!" territory.

lacked Education, by this you imploy anybody whos educated would be a democrate... nah man, this is not reality.
KNIFE
3 years, 3 months ago
God DAMN you can write!
I'm very very impressed. (hug)


You should do this more often.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
I had a little help with the proof reading that I very much appreciated but I'm not at the end of the day a person who enjoys controversy or conflict so I rarely express myself this openly
KNIFE
3 years, 3 months ago
I meant just writing in general. Even though you've had a good proof reader that's still you and you did it very well. :D
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
I've thought about writing erotic stories but its a lot of effort and doesn't get as much attention as art haha
MarcusKoopa
3 years, 3 months ago
Actually, after analyzing the photos and videos... the mob that broke into the capital building didn't BREAK in, they were let in by the guards. They actually waved them inside. The crazy man with the horn helmet is a BLM member who has been to several rallies. Most of the people who got inside had Antifa and communist tattoos. Only the poor lady shot through the neck we can confirm was an actual supporter.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
I've herd rumors to this effect and I've seen some side by sides my statement stands however trump incited all this and weather or not they were let in they vandalized the place. I'm aware most of the issues were caused by planted antifa but that does not excuse the presidents behavior or the illegality of what occured...

I'll try to keep informed on the Antifa situation going forword I'm really angry these communists arnt arrested on treason at this point but its not up to me
StandingAround
3 years, 3 months ago
Hi, in regards to those claims of AntiFa agitators being in the crowd... Here are some articles about that.

PolitiFact:


Reuters:


FactCheck:


And Snopes:


EDIT: In case the links did show up.
PolitiFact:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/theres-n...

Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-capitol-mo...

FactCheck:
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/bogus-antifa-claims-f...

Snopes:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-mob-capitol/

But just remember that whatever one personally believes is 100% flawless and unquestionably right; Never let anything else challenge one's kwn preconceptions.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
I said rumors but thanks for being aggressive about making a point of no relevance. I've stated the people who entered the capital building illegal regardless of affiliation were completely in the wrong and weather or not a significant portion of the more violent ones were antifa or not nobody should have been there in the first place. I respect to attempt at keeping the facts straight but I'm disappointed by the cheek. Some of these fact checkers are suspect as well..the young Americans for socialism is bised so we can ignore that one completly..most of them just say fact checked false and give no real explanation I've seen a handful of these people before at other rallys...gonna belive my eyes thank you.


That being said its only likely 3 of the people I recognized far from a majorty..its pointless anyway wrong is wrong weather antifa or not. Unless your one of those "antifa are the good guys" types in wich case ill kindly ask you to go home kid your drunk.
StandingAround
3 years, 3 months ago
Although remaining calm while doing so is preferable, making an inflamed/aggressive argument does not in itself immediately falsify or invalidate the argument made. Though I feel like I should have been more clear in my comment in that I was responding to the part where you stated that "I'm aware most of the issues were caused by planted antifa". I am neither ally or kin of those Commie bastards, but I can still smell the metaphorical BS when it's there.

Though, what I'm questioning now is where in the world did you pull the "Young Americans for Socialism" part from? And what precisely would you count as (an) "unbiased" source(s)? Because, though what I'm about to say is fairly damn personal, neither of us are exactly the most unbiased people, the actual veracity of various so-called "fact checking" sources can and will be painted by our biases.
StandingAround
3 years, 3 months ago
Forgot to add this on earlier in an edit of my previous reply:

Otherwise, if it means anything, your journal was fairly well-written and thoughtful. There are some hints of pro-Right bias, you do remain relatively moderate throughout.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
Hmm as to my statement about being aware most of the problems were caused by antifa plants i was referring to the violence and vandalism most of the people who broke in were just talking selfues and bring memelords....that being said 0% of them are exempt from wrong doing not everybody tried to burn the building down but they were all complacent in and party to a federal crime. As for the socialists thing one of your links was fact checked by the young socialists of America they have incentive to cover for antifa so in this case there not a valid fact check. It was only one link though. My problem with the fact checking is they all say claims of antifa involvement are false and that they were fact checked by independent sources but fail to cite the sources or the evidence they used to render a false flag verdict. I am happy to admit the only evidence I've got is recognizing a few of the guys on camera but at the moment thats the best I've got.
Taticub
3 years, 3 months ago
I find it a bit questionable. I saw videos on twitter of police opening the gates even opening the doors to let these people in. inside the building where you see protestors passing the red ropes, cops just walked around the outside ignoring it. Honestly, I feel something is up and I honestly feel there is a heavy manipulation on both sides. I dont consider this a terrorist act but a protest. Specially after watching over a year of riots in various cities in america from other groups where people's homes, businesses even federal buildings like court houses and police stations damaged, burnt, and vandalized. Including occupations of streets where people were harrassed and people even dying.

I still disagree with them entering the building as what happened severely hurt their chances for Trump and many more things.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
There are known antifa actors in the croud as well my condemnation here is against the bad people In this crowd as well as trumps behavior right before and right  after tge incident but do I think its at least partially a set up? Yeah.
Taticub
3 years, 3 months ago
Im not sure too much about set up but it doesnt help when social media and media block and silence Trump's Tweets including hiding a video Trump made of him telling everyone who stormed the capital that they are to go home and be peaceful. Yes I believe antifa was in the groups as I saw picture comparisons of a few among them pretending to be supporters but connections of them being in Antifa/BLM groups. I don't however believe it was all Antifa storming the capital in an attempt to create a false flag.

I also agree there was a picture of ONE person as far as I seen who had zipties which is very questionable but I am not going to accuse the whole group because one guy was radical. I also disagree with them lowering the US and replacing it with a Trump flag. honestly even if Trump loves America or whatever it  doesnt feel right, it's pretty much like trying to conquer a piece of American land at this point. As for the Confederate battleflag in the court room. I honestly dont care. Im not one who gets scared or hurt over some flag that was connected with some group. It's their freedom to fly that flag if they want, I dont agree with what it's past contained but whatever. Alot of people call it "southern pride" I worked around people with those displayed on their phones or cars as I live in the south and I am of minortiy status and they never once attacked or displayed any form of "white power on me"

oh and also, I havnt seen any armed people in the building and as for the IED rumor, I have not seen any confirmations about it other than someone saying it on their twitter. and some people saying they exploded, once again, I dont see pictures or any video where an explosion was hurt or any fire and smoke on the capital. only smoke I saw was from all the tear gas bombs
AsherTye
3 years, 3 months ago
You mean the video where Trump once again talked about how the election was stolen from him, reiterated that he'd won in a landslide, said he understood their anger, called them special, THEN asked them to remain peaceful and go home?  I saw that crock of bull when it was broadcast.

He wanted that taken down, hence why he again violated their clause about misinformation.
Taticub
3 years, 3 months ago
He still told them to go home, even condemned the violence the following day. I mostly blame the radicals
AsherTye
3 years, 3 months ago
My apologies if I sounded aggressively nasty in my comment, I'm dealing with something separate and I'm afraid my anger over that may have bled through with you.
Taticub
3 years, 3 months ago
It's ok, I think alot of us are not in the best moods right now. I just needed to vent myself. Hope things cool down with you aswell
blackstrike
3 years, 3 months ago
I consider myself a left leaning person but I agree with you 100% on this. Well said. US needs more smart, reasonable people like you.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
nothing wrong with being left leaning in the slightest. Most of us lean this way or that depending on the issue. Thank yuo for your kind words.
ZwolfJareAlt306
3 years, 3 months ago
The peaceful protesters outside were patriots.
The ones who did violence, etc. inside were terrorists.
AsherTye
3 years, 3 months ago
Thinking on this, I don't think a riot was Trump's actual intention that day, as much responsibility as he still shares for it.  I think the original intent was more to simply mobilize his protesters to the Capitol so that he could score a photo OP of himself speechifying while Hawley(sp?) and Cruz did their thing inside.  Unless someone shows up with Congressional documents they shouldn't have (and there's no reason to believe that's happened that I know of yet) I have to ascribe more narcissistic stupidity than maliciousness to his part.  Sadly I can see him believing that because he didn't intend it, he's not to blame, which is sure to rankle a lot of feathers.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 3 months ago
This is a fair point I don't think a full on riot was his intention
guangpigulimao
3 years, 3 months ago
The cause of this confusion is not politics, but the economy.

When the market economy lacks new growth points, the contradictions between various interest groups will intensifie and the political ecology of the "banana republic" will come. So, before the new industrial revolution, let oneself get used to life in the involution
Delquea
3 years, 3 months ago
You get a high score for this c:
MuseumOfSkulls
3 years, 3 months ago
I know I'm late but, you said it exactly how it is, like all of this shit is just idiotic at this point, to me it doesn't matter if someone is a Republican or Democrat to me, just if their fucking SANE, I don't care if people are idiots as long as their not hurting people. Personally I'm a complete left wing guy, but you don't see me yelling at Republicans and people who side more with the right just cause they don't think like me, I agree with you in saying that people have the right to think, what they want to think, AS LONG AS THEIR NOT FUCKING IDIOTS WHO DECIDE TO FORM AN ANGRY MOB AND BUST INTO THE CAPITAL. I believe that their should be much more people like you right now honestly, cause there is just so much fucking madness emanating from every crevice of politics, "tHiS sIdE iS rIgHt, ThIs SiDe Is WrOnG, bLaH bLaH bLaH." Honestly, I believe it's more the people that's the problem. It doesn't matter if your side with the right, or side with the left, just if your actually a fucking normal person. As I mentioned earlier I side more with the right, and you can definitely think I'm wrong, but that's fine, you have the right to, plus you are completely right, there is madness on both ends of the spectrum, and there always will be is the way I see it, personally I believe that Trump is not a Republican he does not stand for any of the views that Republicans used to have, but now most of the party just crouched down on their knees and was completely fine with this lunatic controlling them like puppet, and those who didn't and disagreed with him got got shunned like Mitt Romney  was called "Unconstitutional" by the rest of the party even though they dont even stand for the constitution! Does it saying murdering 4 people and breaking into the Capital is fine in the constitution?! No! Does it say you HAVE to listen to everything to the president like he is some kind of dictator?! No! None of this is constitutional! None of this is what the Republican party of the past stood for! All I can say is that we all just need to band together and just stop the senseless violence and stupidity. Your pal - MuseumOfSkulls
MuseumOfSkulls
3 years, 3 months ago
I accidentally said that I sided with the right in one part, oops, i meant left, just was very emotional and my brain doesn't work when I'm emotional
sedkitty
3 years, 1 month ago
Good on ya, bun.  While I disagree with you on things (aaaas usual), it's obvious you put a lot of thought into this.  I'm kinda curious how you feel about things, two months on, though.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 1 month ago
I don't want to get into it... Bidens been exactly how I was worried he would be and hes making the same establishment Demarcate mistakes over again, we are continuing the fucking forever war, hes costing us jobs, he fucked up the oil pipeline from Canada wich is NOT haveing any impact on the environment as those resources are going to be harvested and refined ANYWAY so all hes done is cost jobs and make the process less efficent meaning it may lead to MORE polution...meanwhile the Soc jus cancel culture crowed is emboldened so THATS a thing...hes gone right back to sucking off the chinese No surprise there his kids got major business dealings with them and they were desperate to get Biden on board with that as well but the media BURRIED that shit worrying it would help trump get relected and it likely would have tiped the scail.

i can go on, I wont but the list is long, Fuck Joe Biden, Fuck Kamala Harris, Fuck the establishment democrat's, we had a chance at an anti establishment Democratic and they fucked her out of the running hell even Bernie, milk toast, sanders would probably be better then the shambling corpse we have in the oval office right now, mother fucker is figuratively a LITERALY the corpse of the democratic party.

yes he is my president, No I am not happy about it, and absolutely FUCK the groups that conspired to influence the election "legally" allegedly, to bring this mess about. Do i  think they cheated? nah, I dont think they had to the big tech companies and media just made sure the American sheeple got the information they wanted them to have and omitted everything else.


Don't talk to me about politics im trying to move away from this crap before I lose my mind and start passing Judgment on the Unworthy Masses. My Contempt for peoples idiocy and complacency in allowing themselves to be spoon fed literal shit so long as there kept happy is peaking quickly.

so much for being the Candidate of Unity, Unity as long as you agree with his crumbleing party... fuck this.
sedkitty
3 years, 1 month ago
As a Canadian, I'm just fine with the tar sands staying on this side of the border.  As for it having no environmental impact, tell that to the people who live near the multiple leaks and ruptures.  Just one of the incidents resulted in 400,000 gallons (practically half a million) of crude oil absolutely destroying the environment in North Dakota.  That ain't gonna scrub off.

There ain't no such thing as cancel culture... unless you count the censure certain party members got for following the Constitution instead of toeing the party line.  It's just another term, like SJW, that has lost all sense of meaning.  They're thought-terminating.  I've told you about the good that Antifa and BLM have done.  I provided link after link backing up what I said.  You just seem to tune them out.  I understand how hard it is letting go of a belief, but it's something I know you can do -- this very journal shows it.

As for Hunter Biden, it's a tempest in a teapot.  He left the board in question way back when his father was VP, and got no kickbacks.  Multiple Republican-led committees looked into Joe Biden's involvement, and all came to the conclusion that there is zero evidence he did anything wrong.  The media didn't bury a thing; there just wasn't anything to report.  (The whole laptop thing is even more laughable.  "Biden do bad thing.  Have proof."  "Really?  Let's see it."  "No.")

Regarding election influence, I have no idea what you're saying.  The only thing the big tech companies did was actually follow their stated rules and boot 45 to the curb after the election was over.  His ban evasion was amusing to watch.

For the record, Biden wasn't who I wanted to see clinch the Dem nom, but he's demonstrably better than the other option in the general.  (Not that that's a high bar.)  While he could be doing some things better, he's doing a lot of things right.  Just look at the whole Texas debacle.

As for Biden being a uniter, it's clear that that wasn't going to happen; simply looking at history makes that plain.  During the last four years, and the eight years before that, it's been the Republicans who've been the party of "our way or else."  The rule of thumb for the cons is this: every accusation is a confession.  It's been true for decades.  In the noughties, it was Cheney's MO.  In the sixties, the right accused hippies of spitting on soldiers.  (Hippies were too busy lighting incense and getting stoned.  Stuff dries your mouth out, maaaaan)  When the soldiers came back from Vietnam, those on the right were doing the spitting.

As always, I can link you to pages that'll back up what I said.  Challenge your beliefs, bun; the absolute worst person to listen to is someone who'll tell you what you want to hear.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 1 month ago
this is why I dont want to talk about it I dont want to debate this crap any more.

when is aid no enviornmental impact I ment over and above what allready exists from processing crude oil, the oil from the tar sands is getting processed, piriod it's just not being piped through that line now, and it might not get sold to the US wich means the US will likely have to buy it from another forien power wich we really dont want. that resource is getting exploited, piriod, so all it cost was job and possibly a profitable sale to the US.


" There ain't no such thing as cancel culture...


You fucking what now? I'm sorry your jokeing right? Have you not been paying attention like.. AT ALL or are you so onboard with this stuff that you dont think cancel culture is a thing? people have lost jobs over tweets they had 15 yers ago! or Allegations of everything from rape to racism, the overwhelming number of such accusations having proven demonstrably FALSE but the damage is done long before any evidence of wrong doing or innocence comes to light. Then when it turns out somebody fucking LIED the media spins it "oh it was just a Case of "there truth" and the facts being at odds.

"there is no, theire truth there is only THE truth. Cancel culture is REAL it happends every single time sombody says something somebody else doesnt like online and a mob comes for there head, it happends every time somebody gets attacked for an acusation real or false, or have haveing an unpopular opinion with the wrong croud of people.


"   I've told you about the good that Antifa and BLM have done.  I provided link after link backing up what I said.  You just seem to tune them out.  I understand how hard it is letting go of a belief, but it's something I know you can do -- this very journal shows it.


I never held any kind of strong belife in trump hes not a god hes a man, a man who did some things I wanted him to and said a buncha shit that made me cringe and groan. Still better then Hillery and im not changeing that opinion,

as for Antifa and BLM, dont fucking start...Half those people dont know what there marching for they openly embrace or ignore/ are ignorent of it's Communist overtones, and ANTIFA is a borderline terror group. Even if they wernt, there OPENLY anty American XD anti "whiteness" and anti things that mkae god damn sence, like national borders...

" Regarding election influence, I have no idea what you're saying.  The only thing the big tech companies did was actually follow their stated rules and boot 45 to the curb after the election was over.  His ban evasion was amusing to watch.


they actively worked to supress anything that would hurt Bidens bid for presidency while doing the reverse for trump they got involved and threw there support behind a spasific candidate and party, thats election tampering, even if legaly. these are not small privite interest groups there massive tech and social media conglomerates.


" As always, I can link you to pages that'll back up what I said.  Challenge your beliefs, bun; the absolute worst person to listen to is someone who'll tell you what you want to hear.


You say this Often what you mean is, "my beliefs are acurate I wish you would agree with me." Thats a dangerous mindset. I dont assume im right unless im absolutely serten about somthing if i can avoid it, I am serten I dont like ANTIFA I am serten BLM is not what it started out to be and I am Serten that if you necro this topic any farther Were going to have a fight, it's months old let it fucking lie man.
sedkitty
3 years, 1 month ago
Pumping oil through a leaking pipe causes environmental problems where it leaks.  And pipes are gonna leak; it's simply a matter of time. 400,000 gallons of crude oil is not gonna make things prettier, unless you really like your wildlife black and shiny.  Processing it in Canada -- while still one of the messiest things environmentally -- is less impactful than pumping it through several provinces and states.  You can just look at a map to see that.  (This is, of course, not even counting the environmental impact of using the oil.  Civilization requires energy, and there are no easy answers.  Well, there are, but they're not the ones politicians promise you if you vote for them.)

Do people lie about others in order to tear them down?  Do people go over someone's past with a fine-tooth comb in a misguided attempt at purity?  Of course.  It's not a culture, though.  It's just a bunch of assholes.  There are very few incidents.  Conflating them into some sort of huge problem is the American right's MO.  See SJWs, trans* people, gay people, black people, "feminazis", Muslims, Jews, Japanese, Chinese, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...  Outgroups are a problem, the right will tell you, and they'll solve that problem if you elect them.  And here's the thing: the aforementioned assholes have no real power.  Elected officials do.

The worst Clinton would've done is continue being a career politician.  Lists of suspicious deaths notwithstanding, she would've just kept things on as they were.  She isn't evil; she's just a bureaucrat.  Donald, on the other hand -- well, you've experienced the same four damn long years I did.  He did lots of bad things.  As an example: in an earlier post, you said that he wasn't involved in war.  That's not true.  He personally approved a raid that killed civilians.  Among them was an eight-year-old girl named Nawar al-Awlaki.  Her death is on his hands.  Now, if you research her situation, you'll find out that her brother died because of an earlier raid during Obama's tenure.  It's a shitty situation all around, caused in large part by al-Qaeda keeping civilians around military areas.  Just don't pretend Donald didn't have a hand in it.

I can't really say anything more about BLM/Antifa than I already have.  I've provided facts before; it's up to you to weigh them.

Again, the media didn't suppress anything.  If they talked a lot about Trump doing bad things, it's because Trump did a lot of bad things.  This is not bias.  This is accurately reporting what happened, which is the job of the news.  They did talk about Burisma and all that stuff, though.  And they were very willing to talk about the laptop thing, but Giuliani refused to provide any evidence for it.  And did certain newspapers and news networks throw their support before some candidate or another?  Yes.  They've done so for years. They also explained why they made their choices.  To call it tampering is silly.  No votes were removed or altered because of their actions.

When I say to challenge your beliefs, I include myself.  I seek the truth.  I could've not mentioned Obama, above, but I chose to, because it's a problem that's not limited to one group.  It's not about liking or not liking things.  I'm not for Biden because he's a member of my favourite voteball team.  I'm for him because he was far and above the better candidate of those in the federal election.  He ain't perfect (don't get me started), but the country needed a change.  Like a baby, and for the same reason.

And we have no reason to fight.  We disagree. We're adults.
KevinSnowpaw
3 years, 1 month ago
read the damn room, Your necroed this shit and I told you I was moveing past all this you just want to talk about it, I dont. every time I reply to something you tell me it's wrong or continue the conversation, no points are conceeded the subject never changes. I think this journals served it's perpose anyway.
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