Inkbunny

You're aware that the ideal government isn't total socialist, or total capitalism, but a mix of the two. Most of these 'socialists' you keep screaming your head off at are actually just asking their taxes go towards helping the people instead of towards building warmachines.

I personally want our funds to go to education, but apparently that makes me "GASP A SOCIALIST PIG".

Roarey, I've followed you for years... But you've hit an all time low, man. You don't even do your research into things, you just seem to blindly follow media and those around you. I've seen glimpses into your server. I've seen all the idiots who bitch and complain without proper evidence. They don't even investigate things themselves, they just spout out what they've heard likeminded individuals say.

I know some people who study politics, not facebook moms or shit like that, actual professors with PhDs. I know a fair bit of lawyers and whatnot as well.

I also know a few right wing furs who've put down their red hats and sighed that they were tricked by an idiot, waiting for a better republican who won't fool them... But seeing what's going on right now fills them with dread.

As for 'Socialism is horrible'? No. FULL socialism is horrible. Full capitalism is horrible. Heck, even bits of communism can work if done right, but communism as a whole will not work unless your people are all obedient robots.

Look into the word Socialism, what is the key word to it? Social. The wellbeing of citizens using funds from the government. We fund the government. Do you want your taxes to help others or line the pockets of the rich idiots we keep electing in? (Yes, even the left has rich idiots. No I do not support Biden, I voted for him because Trump threatened my ideals in Education.)

Want to know what a bunch of your 'Socialist' enemies want?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/7823914380967280...

This. They want this.

This isn't socialism. This is democracy. This isn't changing things for the worst, it's helping the people.

As someone who studies the pack mentality in animals and humans, you need to accept that humans are pack animals. Your computer or phone you're using right now? You didn't make that, multiple people did. Your food supplies and cooked food you buy? You didn't produce that, others did. Your home? You likely did not build it, and if you did, the parts likely weren't supplied by you.

The people need to take care of each other, they need to work together, and the more miserable people are, the lower quality things are produced, and the more tensions will rise until you do get a fucked up communist revolution -again- and things go south. You need to prevent this by taking care of your people.

"But trickle down works, feed the rich and they feed the poor!" We've learned that doesn't work. About 5% of the top 10% of those who own all the money in the US are willing to make that work, and they still don't do it right.

And Roarey, I know all about the comments and people your friends censor when they don't agree or bring up a good external perspective.

You're in an echo chamber, no better than the 'far left' or 'socialists' you hate. You said you stopped being left leaning because you started listening to the right. Now you refuse to listen to the left. You're not a centrist anymore, you're a fool with cotton in his ears, who has surrounded himself with yesmen who do the exact same thing.

Before you ask, I am not left or right leaning, I am not into full socialism. I am in favor of people who are properly educated being in power. I am in favor of a younger political scope who can grasp the times. I am in favor of politics without company endorsement, without campaign trails, without lies, with transparency. We need a full government reform, but it won't happen because people like you and the left who just echo chamber each other and blackmail each other into voting for the 'lesser of two evils'.

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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... You have no idea how a sociopath operates, do you? They turn socialism from Slippery Slope Fallacy to Slippery Slope Law. It's a perfect system for condensing power into fewer and fewer hands which gives them massive hard ons.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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And you didn't read a damn thing I read, furthering my point.

You know Social Security? That's Socialism.
You know the healthcare the politicians get, which is the 'best in the USA'? That's socialism for the Elite.
You know when the government helps fund homeless housing and helps with stimulus bills? That's socialism.

No government should be one pure form of governmental ideal, for it will be flawed and wracked with many who do not agree with it. Capitalism is not the way to go. Capitalism should stay in the workplace, not in politics, and even then, it should be minimalized. The richest people should not be ruling, the people who vote for them should be ruling.

if you weren't such a blind fool, you'd read what I actually typed.

"The ideal government is not total socialism", it's using aspects of socialism to take care of the people.

All politicians will take advantage of -every- form of government. They're doing it now with capitalism. Look at all the inside trading going on, that's taking advantage of our capitalistic nature to make money that they don't need, and manipulating the market to fuck with the lower class people.

In regards to you... You have no influence on your government elected officials, do you? They could tell you that it's law to kiss their ass and you'd say "FUCK YES AS LONG AS I'M NOT A SOCIALIST!"

As for "Slippery Slope Fallacy", No. Adding some socialism to the government doesn't do that anymore than adding capitalism, communism, or even dictatorship-style ideologist perspectives. Oh look, the MAGA folks seem to want a dictatorship, they seem to worship a lying conman. Oh look, the leftwing seem to worship a richman who has so many flaws and is too damn old. There's flaws everywhere.

It isn't a slippery slope. We're too big of a nation to function properly for any form of government in purity. If were were 100 million or lower, true democracy or oligarchy could work, but as we've grown, our people have become so disconnected from the government that they don't even realize the government is no longer working for them, it's using them as a workforce. That is not what the USA was founded upon. "For the people, by the people." is a socialist saying... But hey, that's a familiar quote, isn't it?

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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Socialist sheep goes bleat.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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You... really don't read do you? XD

I'm not a socialist. I don't endorse full socialism. And buddy, if Pierce is right, that means Roarey supports the same socialism ideals I do. LMAO. Good job, kid.

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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Yo, Roar, if you actually still look at this can we get this comtroll blammed? or are we using its stupidity as an objective lesson?

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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"Comtroll"

Mate, I'm offering my input as a centralist. You throw labels on me like you think you know me. You throw insults at me without trying to argue against what I've said. You sure you're not the sheep?

"Stupidity"

Again, you're not even reading anything I have to say, isn't ignorance the most basic form of stupidity?

So I'll ask you, Roarey. Are you sure, positive, these are the people you want to surround yourself with, because honestly, your echo chamber isn't exactly a healthy one. :\

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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And of note, I exercise the ideal of "Think for yourself, aid others in the process", which isn't even socialism. It's humanitarianism.

IBp

3 years, 3 months ago

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Roarey has said he doesn't want total unregulated capitalism. In fact I think he has gone off about that before.
And that some government policies based in some socialist ideas doesn't mean a socialist government. I also don't think he's ever even talked about trickle-down?
There's an actual, real movement of young people for proper socialist or communist authoritarianism that is running rampant and gaining a lot of mainstream control or at least protection. That is what disgusts him.
Idk where half of what you're talking about is even coming from lol

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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Oh look, Roarey's little righthand henchman.

I've seen glimpses into his discord server :) I'm not localizing everything from just this journal.

In regards to 'total socialism', you could say -anything- is socialist and it's suddenly total socialism. A lot of the right leaning idiots do it, yet they worship a communism dictatorship loving idiot.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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"Oh you don't agree with me therefore you're their henchman"

See, THIS is why you're getting BTFO'd. You can't even FATHOM the idea of your faith being wrong.

EDIT: Socialism ALWAYS leads to "total socialism" as you call it, so GTFO with that excuse, tankie.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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Pierce is literally one of his best friends, lmao.

You confuse the hell out of socialism and communism. Educate yourself before throwing your words around.

Not to mention, the US has MULTIPLE forms of socialism in its government already. Medicare and Social Security are forms of socialism. Education being funded by the government? yeah, that's socialism.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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How's the depression and shit by the way?

Hoping you're getting help for that stuff :\

IBp

3 years, 3 months ago

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Are you... trying to tilt someone about their mental health problems... over a disagreement about politics?
Calm down bud.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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No, I'm asking if you're okay. Because I have read some of your problems. That's why I made that a different comment. All this shit lately is bound to make things worse, and focusing on politics can make it amplified.

But seeing as you took it as an attack, it does say a lot about how you focus entirely too much on politics.

IBp

3 years, 3 months ago

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I took it as an attack because it was before you made an edit saying you hoped i was getting help. Combined with your little demeaning comment
"Oh look, Roarey's little righthand henchman."
And mentioning you read the discord with a little ":)"
It entirely seemed like a power play in that context.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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Because I honestly do hope you're getting help for it. (And it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg)

A lot of mental health support programs are a form of socialism, y'know.

But anyways... Yes :) I've seen into his discord and the people in it who echo chamber the heck out of each other, spreading misinformation and lies back and forth as badly as the SJW discords I've peered into >_>

It's unhealthy. It will lead to more and more drama and problems down the road. And it'll lead to misinformation being misconstrued as 'true' because everyone is afraid to speak up, less they get banned or ousted.

IBp

3 years, 3 months ago

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"	SpoonFox wrote:
	it does say a lot about how you focus entirely too much on politics.

"	SpoonFox wrote:
	A lot of mental health support programs are a form of socialism, y'know

Dude. Lol.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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I see you've already fallen back on 'lol'ing it. K, back to your echo chamber, have fun.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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and you always run to Roarey's aid when someone has anything against him. While it's 'nice to defend your friends', it seems to of gotten you a name for yourself as his 'drama bodyguard' or 'scapegoat' in some circles it seems.

Wolfblade

3 years, 3 months ago

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This is an utterly VILE thing to do.

How dare you.

Do whatever mental gymnastics you have to do to convince yourself that you aren't repulsive for taunting someone with their mental health concerns they've shared in a space they considered safe.

Anyone with a shred of decency will know better.

Disgusting.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ Wolfblade

Oh look, wolfblade came out from your discord server to try to show others that he's a decent individual.

When in fact you've done utterly vile things yourself, that have made people cry and break down, all for a laugh.

And I actually sent a private message to Pierce apologizing on my wording being off and stating I was honest in my concern.

But as your types like to do, you'll blow anything you can out of proportion to make someone look so 'vile' as you put it that you can dehumanize them and make them out as the most abominable individuals so you can justify your own vile actions.

So yes, I am an awful vile person, and I am horrible for trying to ask in mid conflict if he's been okay, as someone who suffers from the EXACT same problem as him.

But eh, nah, I'm vile, I'm horrible. I'm used to being called that by people. I'm used to being everyone's villain. If it makes you happy, whatever.

Just note your psychological state when putting others down is your euphoria.

This is coming from someone who used to look at your like a peer. Now I see you as a repulsive individual who'd gladly harm others to get his way. So it -is- kind of funny you're trying to pull this out on me. I'll keep this in mind. :)

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Spoon, you're pathetic. Sneaking around, trying to use deeply personal information to get a leg up in an argument. You are incapable of standing up on your own, in the light where all can see, and honestly defending your own position. Instead, you're a cowardly snake. Like all variations of socialist, who know they've lost an argument before it starts and thus must think tactically. You're grotesque, and you can stop stinking up my comments section.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ Wolfblade

You literally push conspiracy nonsense and deny the existence of non-binary people, you really have no place in calling other people vile.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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...people AREN'T "non-binary", though. Please don't tell me you've drank the socialist koolaid too.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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Non-binary is supported by medical science, and I am non-binary. I've been non-binary since you met me. You used to be cool. I remember you were a left leaning person who hated SJWs/wokescolds like I did, and then slowly I started seeing you tout more and more reactionary nonsense. It really sucks to lose people to that, just like it sucks to lose people to the wokescold crowd. Reality isn't binary. There are areas of grey.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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There ARE binaries in reality, ad sex is one of them. Also, "reactionary" is a communist insult, a label given to those counter to the revolution. So...yeah. :T And no, it's touted by political ideologues who've wormed their way into the scientists, starting largely with French postmodernists in the 60s and 70s.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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Even though non-binary has been identified by medical science and psychological studies, you're going to deny it because your political point of view says it doesn't exist?

This is why we need education. People like you who think you're 'owning the libs' by oppressing people.

Transphobic asshole. "You mocked the mental health of one of us, but we can mock the mental health of everyone we disagree with"

Hypocritical arse.

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Nobody denies they exist, just sensible people know they're delusional. Science has not validated any of it. The "evidence" is people claiming in interviews that they feel they are non-binary. That ain't science. People feel and believe in a plethora of wrong things.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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Just like how trans people aren't delusional, neither are non-binary people. It's just a subset of transgenderism. Sex isn't binary (it's bimodal) so logic would say gender isn't binary either. But keep denying science my guys. :3

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Trans people are nothing like delusional non-binary people. For a start, they are either male or female. How would someone transition from male or female to one of these "new" genders? It is a fiction, born of academic postmodern trash that stipulates reality itself is merely a matter of opinion, that you can just socially construct whatever bullshit you want. No. Reality is not ground to be given up.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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Sex is bimodal, not binary. Science backs this up. Gender and sex correlate with each other but aren't the same thing. A non-binary person would be someone who is between man an woman. Just like we have intersex people, and hermaphroditism exists in the animal kingdom. This is accepted medical science. Facts don't care about your feelings my guys. :3

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Nope, it has nothing to do with science, it is pure fantasy, hence these "genders" are always being made up on the internet. Intersex physical characteristics are also nothing to do with non-binary rhetoric, since none of what is being asserted about these other genders precludes that you are physically intersex. It is entirely people making assertions that they are neither male or female, their physical bodies being irrelevant to all of it. You are bending and twisting different things together to try and justify what is entirely a language game. Intersex has nothing to do with it, trans has nothing to do with it. You can drop the smugness, because you look like an idiot. Also, what's this "my guys" stuff? Hip trendy kid shit? Grow up.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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I'm not entirely sure why you're so bent on denying science, do you have some sort of emotional investment in denying reality? What harm is it to you to accept non-binary as a concept? No one is forcing you to take hormones dude, lmao.

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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You appear entirely incapable of independent thought. Science isn't a word that is an argument in itself. There is no scientific anything associated with non-binary claims. You have brought up things that have nothing to do with the subject, intersex, biology, transgenderism. Those subjects are not related to people claiming they feel they are something neither male nor female. It's that simple. Sad bastards who don't know what the word "personality" means because they're too attached to collectivist ideologies do not get to reinvent the world. You cannot make an untruth true and never will. That these claims are not true is the only reason I need to reject them. Among others is that I am not prepared to let fannies screw with the way society conceives of itself. it is not a power they should ever have. Get fucked, is my answer to such demands.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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You're just upset because science doesn't back up your beliefs. I stand with science and it supports sex and gender as bimodal. Non-binary is under the transgender umbrella. NB people also transition with stuff like HRT, SRS, and social transition. Maybe actually learn about what you hate before making a decision on it. Just a thought, but I know you won't. You've made being anti-woke your whole personality, so anything "the left" seems to support you outright denounce. Stop being such a lazy thinker.

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Nah, you're just an emotionally manipulative wimp who can't stand up to gobbledygook unless you might upset the whimpering snotnoses who loudly scream at people who won't agree with everything they vomit outwards. Be a coward on your own time, you'll take up no more of mine.

InsaneProxy

3 years, 3 months ago

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Sorry you're so triggered by a reality that doesn't fit your preconceived notions. :D

IBp

3 years, 3 months ago

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Ain't this the bad troll we had to ban from the discord for not backing up anything they say and when they were wrong just spouted smug kid memes and buzzwords?

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Oh yeah, so it is. Haha, makes perfect sense now lol.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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"Sex is bimodal, not binary."

...you...how can you not see the problem with that statement right there?

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ Wolfblade

Yeah, this one's a real loser. Not even particularly GOOD at his trolling. Please stop feeding him.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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"You're aware that the ideal government isn't total socialist, or total capitalism, but a mix of the two. Most of these 'socialists' you keep screaming your head off at are actually just asking their taxes go towards helping the people instead of towards building warmachines."

And at the very start you show that your "definition" of what these people are is way, waaaay off base. These people know exactly what they're asking for, and that ain't it chief.

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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Shut up, you don't even know what I believe in. Claiming I have stances I've never supported. Collectivism is awful, full stop. We have all the proof we could ever need. Capitalism is economic, it requires law and ethics from outside it, which it has in functioning western nations. Unlike dictatorships. Socialism is a failure, you are daft to support it. "Don't have full poison, have partial poison, because I'm emotionally attached to this particular poison and I'd feel bad not swallowing any."

drakar2835

3 years, 3 months ago

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Totally agree, and the reason for that is because socialism is not taking into account human nature. It's always implemented as if human nature did not exist. Thus why we say that those that are very strong believers in socialism are called "cloud choveler" or "dreamers". So, for those "cloud choveler" that strongly believe in socialism, I'm sorry to say that human nature DOSE exists, it is not a figment of the imagination, and is the prime reason for its failure. On the other hand, pure capitalism is unlivable. Center right capitalism with a little dose of social democracy is probably the best place to stand for the majority of humans being and probably the only sustainable system in the long run.

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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I'm fortunate enough that I'll leave nothing behind me. I'll have no ties to anyone or anything when I'm gone. If freaks burn it all down, I'll PROBABLY live long enough to die of old age before the rubble collapses.

KevinSnowpaw

3 years, 3 months ago

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you know I really fucking hate... how you can prattle on in an English accent and sound amazing and extremely inteligent...

that being said this dude would sound amazing without the accent ;3 I think I rather like him

this is the kind of person that I think I could have a meal with then a drink and just.. talk...and that would be the greatist and most valuable part of the evening.

RoareyRaccoon

3 years, 3 months ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

Aye, he's a charming old chap. Shame that he died at the beginning of 2020, but he has left behind many wonderful books. He's even done an excellent documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

KevinSnowpaw

3 years, 3 months ago

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i'll give that a watch I ended up watching several more of his vids recommended after the one you linked.

moyomongoose

3 years, 3 months ago

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I got a kick from the suit he was wearing. It was all mix matched like he got his clothes from a Salvation Army thrift shop.

Mvindo

3 years, 3 months ago

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hey Roarey there's something i'd like to bring to your attention. you may have already heard about it but i thought i ought to tell you anyway: https://inkbunny.net/j/410628

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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Hey, Spoonfox, making replies AFTER you block someone so it makes it look like they gave up is a total cuck move.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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Insulting people and expecting them to continue socializing with you is kind of a 'cuck move' isn't it? Grow up. Moving on.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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You literally insulted IBp and took jabs at their mental health. You have NO room to talk.

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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THANK you. Plus... they talk like I haven't heard all of this before. Seriously... I was 17 once. I used to believe all they did. Then I realized the real world doesn't work that way.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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That's one of the favored tricks in the communist playbook. They think that blocking people means they somehow win arguments when all they do is further drive themselves into their own echo chamber, and end up believing whackier adn whackier shit.

You know, what they accuse us of.

SpoonFox

3 years, 3 months ago

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"Communist playbook" ... You're aware socialism isn't the same as communism, and I'm anti-communist right? No you don't. You know nothing of me. You echo to each other without being willing to listen to what others have to say. And then you insult them and attack them.

You folks always attack us who have mental health issues, and you 'lol' at us because we don't agree with everything you have to say. You call us sheep, when you don't even listen to us, you just stick to your own 'herd'. You say things like "Fuck your feelings" all the damn time.

Want to know why I said what I said to Pierce? because I honestly reeled back and realized "Fuck, he was going through the same shit as me" that's why I sent him a private message apologizing. But yeah, you people LOVE vilifying and dehumanizing people you don't agree with, don't ya?

What was that you told me?

"You have NO room to talk"?

K. You have no room to talk, if you ever once insulted someone for not doing what you believed in. You have no room to talk for insulting people for having mental issues. You have no room to talk to call people communists when they're on the other side of the spectrum.

All of you are bloody fools if you think you're better than anyone else in this bullshite political spectrum. We're all flawed individuals.

Want a point of advice? This isn't from me, this is from a psychologist standpoint.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't give you the right to label them as something they are not.

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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Is there like... a "Begone THOT!" command for commies or something? Seriously, this dude don't take a hint.

Kepora

3 years, 3 months ago

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I wish. "You're aware socialism isn't the same as communism", like...shut the absolute fuck up, you brainlet. :|

(I meant him, btw - not you)

MarcusKoopa

3 years, 3 months ago

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