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Rakaziel

Write your Senator!

Hello Americans.

There are two important issues and each of them sounds like America's preparation for World War III - by brainwashing it's own citizens, you.
And no, I am not exaggerating. Pray that I am just paranoid. But the combination of both looks just too convenient.

Currently the Senate considers legalizing the use of propaganda, explicitly including misinfromation, against the American populace.
[QUOTE] “It removes the protection for Americans,” a Pentagon official told Buzzfeed, who broke the story. "There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.” [/QUOTE]
http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/ndaa_propaganda/?...

And the CEF is, in your elementary schools, telling your children to unaskingly commit genocide against all nonbelievers whenever God demands it. - Or who claims to speak for Him, let's be honest.

[QUOTE] The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed.

Asking if Saul would "pass the test" of obedience, the text points to Saul's failure to annihilate every last Amalekite, posing the rhetorical question:

    "If you are asked to do something, how much of it do you need to do before you can say, 'I did it!'?"

"If only Saul had been willing to seek God for strength to obey!" the lesson concludes.

A review question in the textbook seeks to drive the point home further:

    "How did King Saul only partly obey God when he attacked the Amalekites? (He did not completely destroy as God had commanded, he kept the king and some of the animals alive.)" [/QUOTE]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/ch...


Write to your senator. Both the legalizastion of misinforming propaganda and the indoctrination of children to genocide must be stopped.


Full quotes of the linked articles for your reading convenience.

On the legalization of the use of misinforming propaganda against the very American citizens your government claims to protect.

http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/ndaa_propaganda/?...
[QUOTE] Did you think it could get any worse?  Now they want to legalize the use of propaganda on American citizens -- and the vote could happen NEXT WEEK.

An amendment legalizing the use of mass propaganda campaigns on American audiences has been inserted into the latest defense authorization bill — and that bill just passed the House.

The NDAA amendment lifts bans on propaganda that have been around since the 1940s, neutralizing laws put in place to protect the American people from its government’s own “misinformation” campaigns.

“It removes the protection for Americans,” a Pentagon official told Buzzfeed, who broke the story. "There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.”

The amendment would remove all distinction between a hostile foreign audience and American one, turning the massive information operation apparatus within the federal government against its own people.

This amendment cannot become law. Will you join us in demanding that the Senate oppose this amendment to the NDAA? [/QUOTE]
http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/ndaa_propaganda/?...

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On the religious fundamentalists of the CEF trying to turn your children into their next wave of genocidal crusaders.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/ch...
[QUOTE] The Bible has thousands of passages that may serve as the basis for instruction and inspiration. Not all of them are appropriate in all circumstances.

The story of Saul and the Amalekites is a case in point. It's not a pretty story, and it is often used by people who don't intend to do pretty things. In the book of 1 Samuel (15:3), God said to Saul:

    "Now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."

Saul dutifully exterminated the women, the children, the babies and all of the men – but then he spared the king. He also saved some of the tastier looking calves and lambs. God was furious with him for his failure to finish the job.

The story of the Amalekites has been used to justify genocide throughout the ages. According to Pennsylvania State University Professor Philip Jenkins, a contributing editor for the American Conservative, the Puritans used this passage when they wanted to get rid of the Native American tribes. Catholics used it against Protestants, Protestants against Catholics. "In Rwanda in 1994, Hutu preachers invoked King Saul's memory to justify the total slaughter of their Tutsi neighbors," writes Jenkins in his 2011 book, Laying Down the Sword: Why We Can't Ignore the Bible's Violent Verses (HarperCollins).

This fall, more than 100,000 American public school children, ranging in age from four to 12, are scheduled to receive instruction in the lessons of Saul and the Amalekites in the comfort of their own public school classrooms. The instruction, which features in the second week of a weekly "Bible study" course, will come from the Good News Club, an after-school program sponsored by a group called the Child Evangelism Fellowship (CEF). The aim of the CEF is to convert young children to a fundamentalist form of the Christian faith and recruit their peers to the club.

There are now over 3,200 clubs in public elementary schools, up more than sevenfold since the 2001 supreme court decision, Good News Club v Milford Central School, effectively required schools to include such clubs in their after-school programing.

The CEF has been teaching the story of the Amalekites at least since 1973. In its earlier curriculum materials, CEF was euphemistic about the bloodshed, saying simply that "the Amalekites were completely defeated." In the most recent version of the curriculum, however, the group is quite eager to drive the message home to its elementary school students. The first thing the curriculum makes clear is that if God gives instructions to kill a group of people, you must kill every last one:

    "You are to go and completely destroy the Amalekites (AM-uh-leck-ites) – people, animals, every living thing. Nothing shall be left."

"That was pretty clear, wasn't it?" the manual tells the teachers to say to the kids.

Even more important, the Good News Club wants the children to know, the Amalakites were targeted for destruction on account of their religion, or lack of it. The instruction manual reads:

    "The Amalekites had heard about Israel's true and living God many years before, but they refused to believe in him. The Amalekites refused to believe in God and God had promised punishment."

The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed.

Asking if Saul would "pass the test" of obedience, the text points to Saul's failure to annihilate every last Amalekite, posing the rhetorical question:

    "If you are asked to do something, how much of it do you need to do before you can say, 'I did it!'?"

"If only Saul had been willing to seek God for strength to obey!" the lesson concludes.

A review question in the textbook seeks to drive the point home further:

    "How did King Saul only partly obey God when he attacked the Amalekites? (He did not completely destroy as God had commanded, he kept the king and some of the animals alive.)"

The CEF and the legal advocacy groups that have been responsible for its tremendous success over the past ten years are determined to "Knock down all doors, all the barriers, to all 65,000 public elementary schools in America and take the Gospel to this open mission field now! Not later, now!" in the words of a keynote speaker at the CEF's national convention in 2010. The CEF wants to operate in the public schools, rather than in churches, because they know that young children associate the public schools with authority and are unable to distinguish between activities that take place in a school and those that are sponsored by the school.

In the majority opinion that opened the door to Good News Clubs, supreme court Justice Clarence Thomas reasoned that the activities of the CEF were not really religious, after all. He said that they could be characterized, for legal purposes, "as the teaching of morals and character development from a particular viewpoint".

As Justices Souter and Stevens pointed out in their dissents, however, the claim is preposterous: the CEF plainly aims to teach religious doctrines and conduct services of worship. Thomas's claim is particularly ironic in view of the fact that the CEF makes quite clear its intent to teach that no amount of moral or ethical behavior (pdf) can spare a nonbeliever from an eternity in hell.

Good News Clubs should not be in America's public elementary schools. As I explain in my book, The Good News Club: The Christian Right's Stealth Assault on America's Children, the club exists mainly to give small children the false impression that their public school supports a particular creed. The clubs' presence has produced a paradoxical entanglement of church and state that has ripped apart communities, degraded public education, and undermined religious freedom.

The CEF's new emphasis on the genocide of nonbelievers makes a bad situation worse. Exterminist rhetoric has been on the rise among some segments of the far right, including some religious groups. At what point do we start taking talk of genocide seriously? How would we feel about a nonreligious group that instructs its students that if they should ever receive an order to commit genocide, they should fulfill it to the letter?

And finally, when does a religious group qualify as a "hate group"?[/QUOTE]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/ch...


Write to your senators, and stop this now.Your very future and the very future of your childen is at stake.
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Norithics
6 years, 2 months ago
Wait... wha... what?? Hold on, when did Elementary School kids start having bible studies again? What's going on? What's the actual language of this bill? Is it its own thing, or is it tucked away in something else? Where did this come from, and when?

This is confusing as shit.
Incaros
6 years, 2 months ago
Who knows. Religious nut jobs tend to do some very immoral and unethical things to try and "spread the word".  
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
The legalization of propaganda is one part of the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act)
(I do not know what other points it includes, only got alerted to it via Demand Progress)

And the CEF has been doing this for years (mainly preaching unconditional obedience to God) but only recently gone into detail about the genocidal parts of the bible again, in full force.
BuckBunny
6 years, 2 months ago
It is just an after school club, just like the Boy Scouts, or science club.  Religion is not being taught in school, just using the school facilities as any other after school club.

It is confusing as any other propaganda, leave out some facts to boost your own agenda.
Incaros
6 years, 2 months ago
.....I don't think this will get far enough to cause world war three. Maybe an American Civil war. I have a strong feeling that this is likely going to cause a lot of bigotry and maybe some hate crimes in school. The first time one of these kids attacks a jew or a the kid of a gay or non Christian family...I will REALLY not be surprised. You know its only a matter of time. They are probably going to claim that their teachings do not encourage these things. Right before/after preaching about these things. I hate that sort of "religious" people. They turn religion from a way of life, into a virus that causes pain and destruction, and whose only purpose is to spread further and further.
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
Another bunch of extremist nutjobs hiding behind religion to spout their particular brand of hate.
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
I hope you are right. It only reminds me very much at what happened in Germany in the thirties.
Dragon6
6 years, 2 months ago
Thanks for bring this up, definetly brings up somethings to think about. One thought that did cross my mind as I read these is that if the religious shit took root and lead to the third world war, personally I'd see it more as a world wide civil war then anything else. With the Church dicks on one side and everybody else on the other and against them. Seriously if you think about it and take the Church's history in consideration, is there one thing one on this planet that is more hated, the cause of more strife, and also the source of more murders and killings all 'in the name of God' in the history of mankind. If 'God' really told them to do that, then he isn't how they believe him to be but a wicked uncaring hateful evil son of a bitch. Next thing we all know the Church will suddenly come forward and say that the anitChrist walks among us and will have gone through the trouble of building up some guy to be him, just so they can draw more unsuspecting followers to them.

And just so I don't get hounded from anyone that reads this. First I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING BACK THAT WAS SAID! Second I meant ever word. And third bitch at me and all your doing is wasting your time not mine as I will not respond to it. Even instead you wish to talk civil about any of it then I will talk with you.
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
If you are interested in my views, see the big comment below.  :3
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
I am not so much worried about a world wide civil war (most Christians are too moderate to join that, unless the Muslims start one in response to American attacks on the Middle East) but about the government using religion as an excuse for a few "crusades" to claim oil reserves and what not, and to maybe remove Saudi Arabia and others to weaken the middle east as a whole so they can claim the oil reserves there like they did in Africa after having the local people hunted away by mercendaries.
Which of course would not go unnoticed by the rest of the world and could lead to conflict over the reserves alone already.

With the American people then already radicalized and the American government at least having to claim to agree with them to prevent a civil war, this could easily escalate to at least a cold war with Pakistan, and with two atomic powers already pointed at each other, the others will take sides, too, as they both have an interest in preventing a nuclear war, and in the oil reserves or other resources that may be the true purpose of the war. The real problem starts if there are some psychopaths in strong positions in the goverment and may try to "win" this war by providing some, at this point irate and desperate, Middle East countries with nukes.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 2 months ago
Vile and Disgusting! While I respect this..."Good News Clubs" Right to practice there faith there attempts to use children as converts to there life style and there OPEN attempts to get said children to encourage there peers to join the program is LITERALLY evil.

I understand preaching the word of god is a part of this faith but cant you preach it to the ADULTS! This isn't you learning about God, this is a bunch of nut jobs walking up to you and SMACKING you in the face with a bible, then telling you to kill all heathens! <.<
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
Hatemongers using religion as a disguise for their 'message'.  It's nothing new.  
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
They try to get the children because any reasonable adult would rather call the cops than join them and even most of the already influenced religious adults may deem them too radical.
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
Ok.  A few points to keep in mind here.  The people who are advocating this modern nonsense are neither Christians, nor truly religious.   True religion, no matter what faith you follow, boils down to one simple core command, the 'Golden Rule' if you will.    

  "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God , thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.'

  It's as simple as that.  If Everyone followed that rule, even if you don't believe in any God or gods, but simply obeyed the second part then this world would be a paradise.  No war, no hunger, no crime, no hate no suffering.

  Yet it is the twisted desires of man hiding behind religion and using it as an excuse for all manner of perverted depravity that is the real cause of many of the world's ills.

  I will reiterate here.  If someone, ANYONE advocates killing on religious grounds, or mutilating children or any one of the other thousands of things 'religion' is accused of or if they think for one second that their actions that cause harm and distress to another human life are in some way acceptable because it's their 'religion'  then I say that person or persons are not religious and have no concept or understanding of religion in any way, shape or form.
RedReynart
6 years, 2 months ago
The golded rule "Do unto others as you will have them do unto you"

This rule is in every religion in exsitence. Hinduism,Buddisim, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Confictionists, Taoish, Even native american shamanism and japans Shinto. And yet we still get a world of chaos.
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
It is the will of man to seek power over others.  To prove that he is in some way better that the next man.  The golden rule would suggest that a man is just as important as his neighbor, no better and no worse. To most people, the idea that they aren't in some way superior to every other person in existence is anathema.
RedReynart
6 years, 2 months ago
Indeed. We all see ourselves to dominate everything. From Plants, Animals, to other Human Beings
The fact is that no one is invicible and no one is god. We are all equal and yet we stive to kill each other instead of working to gether. The world is what we make it, and we choose to make it hell.
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
I agree. The purpose of religion ultimately is to promote ethics and building a self-sufficient value system to maintain these ethics (usually by promising a reward in the afterlife) - and of course these ethics have been twisted whenever the ones in power needed cheap soldiers or cheap workforce or income or simply wanted to feel like they were the gods.
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
It angers me when a man perverts the truth of religion to suit his own means and it saddens me when people see that decision as 'God's religion' rather than the earthly desires of the man behind it.
Kolo
6 years, 2 months ago
Fuck this. Go. Fuck. Yourself. America. Why, I ask WHY, when your constitution clearly states "Equality" and tells To not ever rule the country Theocratically, YOU STILL DO THAT?

Now, I want all of you people here to move to Mexico, Canada, somewhere that isn't the USA, because there is NO HOPE LEFT for your fucked up country.
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
Please tell them to write to their senators first, maybe it works.
Enough protests could also help sway the opinion of the politicians and help to inform the public.
Kolo
6 years, 2 months ago
They know themselves.

Well, this is a definite WW3. I'm going to go get some money, move back to Poland, Reinforce my Grandparents basement and make it into a 5-level bunker. See you guys after the Nuclear Winter is over.
ScottyKat
6 years, 2 months ago
I gotta say... Its not the majority of america that does these things. Its the minority who rampantly abuse their power. you cant blame all of america for the actions of the rich, the politicians, and the religious psychotics. Most of us are just regular people. Sadly we have a lot of people who abuse the hell out of their power. Even against of the will of the people. I simply wish that we americans will get the balls to remove these people from power, and make sure shit like this cannot happen again. Sadly. every time we rule against it.. a bunch of politicians reverse those rules. So as you can see. we've got quite the problem here.. We need a revolution...
Kolo
6 years, 2 months ago
I'm not. I'm telling the vast majority to get out because that retarded minority is fucking their country up.


You're right, a revolution would do you good.
The second American Revolution. Sounds like something that would fix a lot of things.
RedReynart
6 years, 2 months ago
I can see this turning into something grave. Not to mention this can influence hundrends like Hitler did with the Nazi movement. IF they declare that god said this or that it will be a holy crusade against "heathens" and they will follow. It will start in the country and spread eleswhere like and invasion. This may very well be the false profit.

Religions speak well of two monsters at the end of the world. Each have very distinctive discriptions yet their named diffrent in each. Some may say the Behemoth and Laviathan, others Fenrir and Jourmungand. Or other wise known as the False Profit and the False Leader. One by land, the other by sea.

"Then the brothers Fenrir and Jormungand will move forward side by side. Fenrir's slavering mouth will gape wide open, so wide that his lower jaw scrapes against the ground and his upper jaw presses against the sky; it would gape wider if there were more room. Flames will dance in Fenrir's eyes and leap from his nostrils. With each breath, meanwhile Jormungand will spew venom; all the earth and sky will be splashed and stained with his poison.

The world will be in uproar, the air quaking with booms and blares and their echoes....."  book of Ragnarok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet
RedReynart
6 years, 2 months ago
the false prophet link the statements are like a double edged sword isn't it?
Rakaziel
6 years, 2 months ago
I see what you meant, and anyone with half a brain and a bit of common sense will see it too.

The old testament is quite genocidal, as was the entire time period, and a good part of today's radical "christians" are rather preaching the old testament, intention wise, so yes, it is double edged, but only a religious nutjob or a troll will intentionally misunderstand it.
RedReynart
6 years, 2 months ago
Not quite so, any one can be swayed and swooned by an idea. All it takes is an idea that someone will agree upon to gather followers. From there you can then feed lies and move the people to your cause. No matter how corrupt. Because at that point they will think its the right thing.

Others will knowinly oppose the movement and in turn be caught in the whole mess. In which they will either join in fear or fight in resistance.

But the whole double edge sword comes from the false profit, that any false profit shall be given capital punishment and death. It doesn't take a guiness to see that can work against the world. Where a group of radicalist deem someone to be spreading lies and then use that to deem a full genocide. That is religion for you.
Fleetpaw
6 years, 2 months ago
Glad I only put up this shit for a year when I was a kid. I don't even go to church cause its all bullshit and Jesus Christ isn't real people he is nothing and i do mean NOTHING but a idiot that was high on drugs, using magic and potions to cure the sick
wolfstar124
6 years, 2 months ago
Technically he was real but he was just an extremely diplomatic person. But I understand your point and I've been wondering as america goes to shit due to religion being put into law is, whatever happened to separation of church and state along with freedom of religion? Religion's pretty much become an excuse for mass genocide and an example but not what everyone prob thinks is Adolf was a self claimed christian and he killed MILLIONS, along with a few other causers of genocide.
Kaon
6 years, 2 months ago
Saying you are a Christian, or Muslim or a Jew or a member of any other faith and understanding what that actually means are two very different things.
wolfstar124
6 years, 2 months ago
personally i'm atheist but I agree that people should understand their own religion if they're going to start quoting it
Fleetpaw
6 years, 2 months ago
agreed
DonutGalaxy
6 years, 2 months ago
America when down the drain when white-men stole this land from the native americans.
TrentSnow
6 years, 2 months ago
" PolaroidBear wrote:
America when down the drain when white-men stole this land from the native americans.


You sir, have taken the words out of my mouth.
DonutGalaxy
6 years, 2 months ago
Im not a sir! Wtf?!?!? Does my icon say dude?!?!? I look like a FEMALE! >:I ugh. this place isnt just full of gay guys...
DonutGalaxy
6 years, 2 months ago
btw im not pissed. It's just a little frustrating,you know? D:
TrentSnow
6 years, 2 months ago
I get it, and honestly I thought about it before posting. That'll teach me to look up a persons profile page before referring to their gender. And I'm not a gay guy either.
DonutGalaxy
6 years, 2 months ago
mhm! About 95% of this site is gay guys though >.<
TrentSnow
6 years, 2 months ago
That's actually accurate by my own estimates. But hey, lots of gay ppl is always a plus...they produce fewer ppl that eventually take all the good parking spaces.  XD
DonutGalaxy
6 years, 2 months ago
LOL
Its a bad thing on my part. Kinda makes me feel like an outcast here. >.>'
TrentSnow
6 years, 2 months ago
Heh, this place is an outcast itself.  Most of the people here left other sites and communities to start this one.  *hugs*  
 No one is an island here.
mouse24
6 years, 2 months ago
I say we fight them on there on ground. Use there own tactics against them. If we do not fight back, we will be essentially slaves in our own country.
Asman69
6 years, 2 months ago
whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill" im sure "god" wouldnt have people throw that away at a whim, then follow i the next day.
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