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People get of Nir and chill the fuck out!!!

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Ok so my friend and bro Nir is apparently getting shit stormed by the fandom right now first of all I want to say that I have not researched the events that's been happening though I've skimmed through both the journals and I've come to this conclusion nir fucked up he admitted he fucked up and now he's trying to fix it.

Now before we continue to assess the situation we have to take into consideration that the people currently criticizing him are the people he used to live with naturally this causes the spice of irritation if everything did not go smoothly this means that we need to take the critique with a bit of salt

To begin with the commissioners who would join the project kitty Are not all one sided some of them say that they understood exactly what was going on and some of them saying that it was a bit confusing this in itself gives us the impression that this explanation for the project might have been a bit vague and That he admits

Now he is apologizing for this and trying to fix it now it might not be the most optimal way fixing it but for fuck sake give the man a break he is not running away with money he is no denying that he have done something wrong do not fry him on the fucking poll he is human we all make mistakes

So please I am sure you if you did not have anything directly to do with this stay the fuck out of the drama and the conversation it helps no one involved in its to begin with let these people sort of themselves now the fact that he was being hung out like this through another journal  is a fucking douche move there is a reason for it and that's because he wanted to warn other people about his opinion of Nir


 if nir truly is this supposed to master, con  artists why is he admitting that this did not go as he planned originally to go and is trying to fix it try to use some logic people nir already feels burned enough for fucking up with all of this or for the situation just happening do not burn him on the fucking pole and then drown him  on the Walter let the man try to fix it

If you're not going to let him have the opportunity to fix it but just Jachim and don't accept any of the truth about him other than that she is a con artists then what kind of a fucking person are you to say and do that and not give the man a chance to fix the mess ,the villain will stands villainand if you don't let to give him the chance to clean up

I say once again I have not thoroughly researched all this and I will not get a biased opinion because Nir is my friend but all I can figure out together is that there was a huge misunderstanding and now near is taking the fall for it even though he's apologizing and trying to fix it, for fuck's sake people let him be and let them sort this shit out themselves dirt throwing is not argumenting nor is helping anything or anyone if someone is a villain in this it's the people who throw dirt on the other one and try to make a public fucking drama mess and I'm not going to say who is doing what cause I'm sure you can figure that out your self
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Added: 6 years, 5 months ago
 
Charliemon
6 years, 5 months ago
its because shit stirrers love to stir shit thats not there
Gennie
6 years, 5 months ago
TL;DR
Firetail
6 years, 5 months ago
People just love to find reasons to piss on people. If he really was in it he wouldn't have apologized and what seems to be working his ass of to do what he can to get what he can back. This is just the risk you take in commissioning from some random person. Its happened before and it will happen again.
Gobby
6 years, 5 months ago
Normally I'm not such a huge douche about grammar, but the lack of punctuation made this really difficult to read.

If he wants to fix this though, good for him! It's sad that he had to be called out in public before taking the initiative, but if anything good comes out of this than I'll consider it a victory.
Salem
6 years, 5 months ago
Actually he contacted quite a few people during the first disspute and most were okay with it. He's again sent journals to everyone stating he was sorry, what the commission journal was about and what the rules were if they didn't understand the first time just in case. One has already commented back saying they knew exactly what he was originally trying to say and do and he was fine with that. Which was providing an artist and the chance for people to have a picture with his characters. Like a lot of people do. Sure most are artists doing this themselves and they are the ones that draw them of course, but Nir didn't have that option. He never actually said he was paying for half of the pic originally. Just what the prices were if people wanted a pic with his character. That's of course what people assumed and it was a missunderstanding of course on both parts. One for the commissioner for thinking he was paying for half and two for Nir not specifically saying he wasn't.

So like you said he is trying to fix everything. It's just a shame all this drama had to happen over a little mistake in clarity.
Gobby
6 years, 5 months ago
Do you have links to the convos? I'm sure everyone will want to see them.
Salem
6 years, 5 months ago
Those convos were in private notes. You can ask him yourself to see the one that replied now, in private, or he can post things on his own time once things have settled down a little and people have cooled off on both sides.
Gobby
6 years, 5 months ago
It's not for me. Any evidence that would support his claim that there was no sneakiness involved would be helpful for him. So far his defense has been hearsay, whereas Sho is fond of quoting Nir's own words and makes a fairly convincing case.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
despite this fact you cannot take sho's side either even if it makes more sense to you being as quote on quote "text" could be made up regardless. also sho is also quite fond of being extremely whiny at times if things do not go exactly as he thought it would and feels unjustifiably raped because of his own misinterpretation of nir's TOS in commissions or current thus forth commisions!

and the reality stands sho just sounds sheltered when he continues to act the way he does he used blame instead of admiting his own faults he assumes the way he interprets something he reads is the writers faut if he misinterprets it yet he read it in his own way and not as it was intended so that is reason enough to spite sho and not believe his words despite him maybe being correct.
Gobby
6 years, 4 months ago
Hello.

A couple of things, if you will.

The quality of a person's character has nothing to do with his evidence. That's called an ad hominem fallacy. Also, suggesting a source of information is invalid or doctored is quite a different thing to proving it. If you doubt something's authenticity, it's usually a good idea to be a little bit more firm in your reasoning than "well, it could be fake."

Your second paragraph seems to be yet another string of ad hominems, though your point about assumptions is quite odd. Technically, at some point we all have to make decisions based on assumptions about our world, minus any a priori axioms (ex. cogito ergo sum). Sooner or later, we have to make leaps in reasoning from an ultimately imperfect and incomplete set of subjective data. Sooner or later, our problem solving brain sees a pattern and goes "Hey, this looks like x." It has nothing to do with any "whining" or "grudge" (which anyone has yet to say what the nature of THAT might be).

That aside, I have to point out some things that have nothing to do with logic:
1.) The phrase is "quote, end quote," but the inclusion of double quotes in the sentence makes it unnecessary.
2.) "Or current thus forth commissions" is needlessly verbose. Cut out the "thus forth" and your point becomes more readily understandable. Eschew obfuscation. KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)
3.) Watch out for punctuation and run on sentences. It makes it more difficult to understand what you're trying to say when I don't know where things begin and end.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
despite what you are trying to say the very idea that ones words holds more weight than anothers is ludicrous  and just plain retarded, this is not a hugbox but a website for everyone to interact and show off their artwork/porn/drawings.  thing is sho has been pretty much on nir's back for a long time not ever letting things go which shows alot of his attitude and that his emotions are more than likely getting the better of him.

but despite this what I said still counts only they or admins can deal with this problem now!
Gobby
6 years, 4 months ago
My response to you has been to point out the logical fallacies in your arguments and try to make you aware that your grammar makes it difficult to understand your point. I never suggested that one person's words are more authentic than another's. The point is that Sho is backing his words with evidence (doctored or not) and Nir is not, from what I can tell. THAT is what the crux of this is about. As soon as you try to back up your words with a source that would seem to prove it, you make your view more believable. If Nir has some evidence in his defense, he should bring it up. Words are just words. FACTS give them gravitas.

Ironically, you seem to imply that whatever it is that this private issue between the two is about automatically gives Sho less credibility; his words weigh less because of some hidden slight. On top of that, bringing up something which you have given me no reason to believe throws the quality of your post into the hugbox ring. Please, think about what you're trying to argue.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
where is this so called evidence?
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
btw the so called evidence is faulty at best, and still the only people that can prove whether its a scam or not is those involved including the person who is supposed to recieve the money! if they can verify anything that would point out that nir's intentionally lying about something then its a scam if not then its not. this is exactly what I am trying to say which would mean shokuji needs to step aside and let the adults handle things as well as the userbase.
Kickinthehead
6 years, 4 months ago
heil grammar nazi??
Gobby
6 years, 4 months ago
Pfff. Hardly.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
I personally believe everyone is at fault in this kinda situation, though I would not ay everyone is equally guilty, being as no one person is every 100% but can be anywhere between 99-1% correct in any given situation, the same anaology could be used here, nir is not at much fault but he admits it so I cannot truely fault him for that the only ones I can currently fault are those who cannot handle the very idea someone made a mistake in front of them.

like I may at times to one of my friends when he does something extremely stupid call him daft dense or whatever comes to mind but he understands I am not saying it to be rude or mean but to tell him he needs to learn a few tricks to fix his own problems. so if I come off as a bit draconian I appologize.
indraasrei
6 years, 4 months ago
it is my opinion, that those not DIRECTLY involved in ANY dispute, not belittle, or pick sides based on ANYTHING, just sit back, shut up, and let those who are DIRECTLY impacted solve this, stay out of it, and then, no one can whine, because eventually, there will be a settlement between all involved, we need not know who, what, or how, just that it is solved.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
thank you for posting exactly what I was saying in a better written form.
indraasrei
6 years, 4 months ago
well, i am a firm believer in the "stfu and let them solve their own problems" method. i never got help solving my problems, i grew up hearing the phase, "it's your mess, you fix it" repeated so much, sometimes i hear it when i let my mind wander. it worked for me, why not let it be know that it is a tried and true method?
some people just have trouble finding the right way to say something, me, if i say it, and i don't mean to offend, but you get offended, all i have to say to you is "get over it, not everyone can be all sweet like cream, shit comes out of a cow, just like cream, you don't get one without having to deal with the other..."
FaykFox
6 years, 4 months ago
Nir causes drama. drama begets drama. He brings this kind of thing on himself.
TSOL
6 years, 4 months ago
Ok sense i see that some of you people obviously didn't get the message ,

Don't take your shit to this journal  , I don't care who's side your on for real, I haven't read any of the messages upove but since you all are writing essays I assume you're arguing here as well, stop that shit and just take to heart what I said, you're not directly involved then don't feed the drama and just let it be.....

Please people I know your attracted to drama like moths to blue lights but we un-fortunately don't have the luxuary of hearing your ass fry every time ya get involved ...... So again just leave it be

If my straight ass who's only one would take my butt virginity is Nir can stay the fuck out of it and still be supportive then so can you, no matter what side yar on , and I doupt most of ya are that close with my bro , or respective representative from the other party ......

So sit down light a joint  put on : cuse I got high: n chill the fuck out

Kupok
6 years, 4 months ago
To speak in a publicly accessible forum is to invite the public to reply.
Kupok
6 years, 4 months ago
> I have not researched the events

You know what. I had no idea what you were talking about.
I didn't know anything about this Nir dude, or his scam, or what he was doing.

Until I saw your journal.

I have not skimmed. I looked at everything. I've read everyone's reports and opinions.

Because of your journal.

I won't tell you the conclusions I came up with. Frankly, I don't care, but I think you should not purposefully ignore facts and perceptions and then advertise that you have purposefully ignored facts and perceptions for ANY REASON AT ALL before forming an opinion, much less one about a subject your own view may be colored on (Like a person being your friend.)
TSOL
6 years, 4 months ago
: watch out guys we got a badass over here:

Internet memes and jokes aside you clearly miss the point

There is a difference in joining / spreading the drama and encouraging people to not be involved,
Nir and I pretty much share the same followers n fan base so this was an encouragement to them to not get involved n feed the drama lama.

And sense Nir and I are close my opinion might be seen as biast of course I know what's going on I just don't care for the details like everyone else should too

And as Nirs best friend I wanted to stand forward as a good example for everyone else not directly involved to not get involved and if I can do that so should random fans be able to

But hey if you want to take this encourengment to the fandom to act maturely for once, and turn it in to a whole new drama lama to feed, then by all be my guest
Kupok
6 years, 4 months ago
I don't understand the internet meme comment. I've used no memes to my knowledge.

The point is. I knew nothing. Then you made a journal. I'd know nothing if you'd never said anything. If you didn't want anyone else to be involved, you should never had said anything. Every word you spread about an event, good or bad, is still making the event known.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
despite an event being known or not theres still other people sticking their noses into it so makin more aware while telling them not to do the same is both bad and good.
C0baltblaze
6 years, 4 months ago
I was trying to tell people to not get involved being as its not their problem and they know nothing of the details to be able to solve it, as well as telling then how claiming scam or otherwise without any real proof that would actually hold in court is not the way to go and it makes the situation bad and or worse than it already is.
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