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Consequences and Agency

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In a small society, the consequences of being an asshole are immediately apparent. One can see this in action in smaller a chatroom. Assholes are removed immediately

In larger societies however, the network of laws and red tape makes those consequences complicated. Don't get me wrong- Large-scale society simply does not function without a net of laws and the uniform enforcement of those laws. But being an asshole isn't specifically prohibited by law, although the traditional consequences of being an asshole may very well be lawfully restricted.

What I am getting at, is that assholes have spent a few generations being free from any large scale, long term, or even immediate consequences for being an asshole.

I implore you all to change that, to the best of your ability. I'm not asking you to break any laws, but if you are in a position to administer consequences to assholes, you do so. If you're a sysop, ban the fuck out of people from your servers and chatrooms. If someone is an asshole in public and you have the privilege to intervene, you intervene, you step between the asshole and their victim, You engage the victim, blow off the asshole, and *administer physical consequences if that asshole touches you.* ..If you're able.

If jerks do not receive consequences, They will not change. They will not get their comeuppance. "Karma" will not come for them. You must be that agent.
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Added: 3 years, 9 months ago
 
Frynge
3 years, 9 months ago
it'd be nice if such a balance was real, but you're right.  we have to be the balance.  

what's easiest is... just don't be a dick.
Kupok
3 years, 9 months ago
At this point, for me to say "Don't be a dick" in general is useless. None who read those words from me have already chosen to be so or not to be so, and has constructed all the mental support structures required to sustain that choice. It must now simply be made more difficult then any payload being an asshole would be worth.
NeoPatamonX
3 years, 9 months ago
So far, it seems like the artist doesn't even remember what he did... So I'm debating if I ever want to open that wound. Obviously he got over it I guess.
NeoPatamonX
3 years, 9 months ago
Whoops! I replied to the wrong message! That's what I get for doing this without my contacts in...
NeoPatamonX
3 years, 9 months ago
Funny you say this as I'm finally confronting a wrong done against me many years ago...
Kupok
3 years, 9 months ago
If it's me, I'm sorry please don't boom bubble me aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Naw, I know that it's an artist thing. I do hope that resolves for you well.
NeoPatamonX
3 years, 9 months ago
*cough* see my miss aimed reply to Frynge for my response to this :#
Frynge
3 years, 9 months ago
I'll pay you back by responding down here!  just how confusing can we be?  hi Pata!  been a while.  :)
NeoPatamonX
3 years, 9 months ago
Total chaos!!

Hello! You'll have to help me out... I fear between how busy life has been and tons of aliases and different platforms, I truly have an embarrassing issue of not placing people sometimes.... I'm really sorry
Frynge
3 years, 9 months ago
I wouldn't sweat it.  we've met maybe... once. XD

stay safe out there, nevertheless!
NeoPatamonX
3 years, 9 months ago
Well now I'm even more curious!
But I appreciate that, you as well!
Teko
3 years, 9 months ago
After many many years online and in various groups and chatrooms and things, I've learned that when someone is intentionally being a nasty dick, it's really not worth the time and effort to try to reason with them or "agree to disagree" or "be tolerant". They get reported, they get blocked, they get ignored. There's a huge difference between a difference of opinion and someone being an asshole, and assholes need to be called out or dealt with.
Stumpycoon
3 years, 9 months ago
Well put.

hammse
3 years, 9 months ago
I like where this is going.

In 24 (the tv show) in one of the last seasons Jack told the grasshopper chloe ("no chloe no watchee" xD) a very grasshopper ending thing: "pressure is not oppression". I translate it back from German after translating it from English )=p

also I once heard you cant forbid evil because that only works through fascism (and communism is fascism with manners) but yea we might just be beyond the isms and black/white.

What I would like to add is that shutting somebody down is usually not objective. The more you get the person (even if a hole) the more the intervention is a solution. The bes tthing I`ve seen so far was that Aggretsuko episode where that one dude gaslighted everybody with a passion until somebody able (that is the challenge for me, mentality alone helps little here) treated him like a child wanting and deserving to learn. mannered & polite resolve and transferring ability. Ideally.
Lain
3 years, 8 months ago
bite em all!
Kupok
3 years, 8 months ago
Nuh! I bite people I like!

Like you! >:3
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