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Blackraven2

(Warning, Political Journal) Stop buying China!

To be specific.
- Stop buying stuff "made in China" - even if it's cheaper.
- Stop buying stuff from companies that manufacture in China. (*cough* Apple)
- Stop buying stuff from companies that have tight business relations with China.

This is not a racist appeal, and this is not against Chinese people.

You should not avoid Chinese friends, you should not avoid Chinese restaurants, and if you have a local Asia store run by some old friendly Chinese woman, please do go there. Just don't buy the Chinese imported brands. Get the Vietnamese Asia noodles instead, the Japanese Soy sauce, or stuff from Taiwan.

Why?

The Peoples Republic of China is adhering to different values than we do.

In the mind of the Chinese government, it is OK to force sterilize people, to rip apart families and put children in re-education camps, to silence any critics and to crush down any resistance and any voice of opposition with tanks and bullets. Any criticism will be met with outrage about daring to interfere with "Chinese matters" and outright lies - even though the regime never allows independent reporting.

The Chinese government uses repression and mass surveillance to keep in power and keep people under control. They use whatever means necessary to silence any opposition, within the country and without.

And the Chinese government is using their economic weight to increase their influence and export their warped values to the rest of the world.

China is expanding and investing, through means such as the new silk road - everywhere in the world. infrastructure is built and funded, economic ties are sealed. And with them come liabilities.

The moment, a company, an economy, a country is economically dependent on China, they lose their freedom. The moment a British politician dares criticize what China is doing in Hong Kong, or an Australian minister offers refuge to Hong Kong citizens fleeing from Chinese oppression, businesses in these countries will feel the consequences. Funding is withdrawn, deals are withheld. Agreements are cancelled. The closer the economic ties to China, the stronger the implications. Shipments from Chinese Factories get delayed. Permits needed for Manufacturing are not granted. Worst case, Factories are shut down and personnel disappears.

Or in case of Chinese investment overseas. It just stops. People get laid off, contracts get cancelled.

China allows its companies to operate by the rules of a free market to make money, as long as Chinese interests are not affected. The moment it becomes political, no Chinese company is independent. They have no choice, they are forced to do what government officials expect them to do. No explicit threats are even needed. Everybody knows what happens to those who defy the will of the people's party.

And as such, whenever a western politician dares to speak up against Chinese politics, their own businesses will lobby against being so vocal, because they are going to feel it when the dragon retaliates.

The tighter the business connections, the larger the influence, the larger the dependence.

As such any company, any business that does a pact with the dragon implicitly supports the suppression, supports the censorship, supports the genocide China commits in its own country. Just as they support exporting that oppression to other countries.

You can see that in Africa, in Iran, in Russia. Even in South America. Countries, who by poverty or by political sanctions have been driven to make tighter ties with the dragon. To the point their politicians are now sanctioning anyone who speaks up against Chinese policy even in their own countries.

Protesters against Chinese businesses taking over Vietnam are being detained and oppressed - not by Chinese but by the Vietnamese police, acting on behalf of China.

This must stop. But companies are forced by economic pressure. They will keep making deals with the devil as long as this is lucrative, as long as this gives them the edge over the competition. And China offers such sweet deals. The cheapest manufacturing, the cheapest electronics. Investment into infrastucture when it's most needed.

This will not stop by itself, not while China is actively striving to increase its influence.

So there must be an economic counter force. People must stop buying crap made in China, so companies stop manufacturing in China, and stop becoming dependent on China.

Remember what happened in the NBA when players spoke up against Chinese oppression?

This must be fought. Not just by our leaders and policy makers, but by every single consumer. Vote with your feet. Vote against Chinese suppression. Stop buying Chinese.


Again, this is not against Chinese people. If China stops oppressing, stops censoring and starts admitting the atrocities the party has committed, there's nothing wrong with fruitful economic cooperation. Maybe enough economic pressure can even force that country into doing that.

After all their economic ties and the deeply interwoven network of business relationships goes both ways. If everyone stops buying Chinese this can really hurt the party where it hurts them most. Their money!


If you agree with me, spread this boycott plea. Maybe add a line or two to polish it up.

And if you go shopping, check the label. If it says "made in China" - leave it in the store.
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Added: 3 years, 9 months ago
 
cookingbutt86
3 years, 9 months ago
I agree what you're said.
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
then spread the word :) I think this must become a thing, here, on Twitter and everywhere. I don't have much reach by myself :)
Furlips
3 years, 9 months ago
I hate to point this out but the US has done everything on that list.
And is continuing to do several.

Why is everything made in China?
American manufactures shipped all the jobs to China because they make more money.

Bunners
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
Yes, the US has made a lot of similar moves. While at home the united states proclaim free speech, the CIA helps instate dictatorships in 3rd world countries suppressing their population. That is - or was - not good.

But you know, just because someone else set a bad example before doesn't make what China does any better. Would you let the people in Hong Kong, Xingiang, Tibet, Mongolia, ... suffer just because the US was a bad guy first?

Then whats next, when China gets more powerful? Invasion in Taiwan? The phillipines? Chinese censorship installed on social media sites because the companies don't want to risk sanctions by China friendly governments?

Yes, its economically lucrative to do stuff in China, because the Chinese government wants it to be and subsidizes that, to increase dependence and interconnection to the point of no return.

That's a reason to fight it more vehemently. So while everything you say is right, that's IMHO  one more reason to act now.
Toshubi
3 years, 9 months ago
Been saying this for years but... Ya know... I'm just a racist if I speak up.
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
Heh, now you are just being cynical Tosh. Besides i don't think we really ever disagreed when it came to China. We have talked about this before.

Yet things actually did change, 10 years ago I still had the impression China was slowly opening up more, and I was only worried about the impact on the economy when all manufacturing - and with it the money - is moving to China, it felt like the censorship and suppression in China was decreasing.

But that was before Xi Jinping took power and put everything in reverse gear. That was before that new silk road initiative, and that was before China's giving Australian companies flak for Australian politicians criticizing what they call "internal affairs". Most importantly it was before Hong Kong.

Let's face it, almost no one in America would buy "Made in North Korea" - so why buy "Made in China" ?

Draconm
3 years, 9 months ago
Unfortunately, while I wish I could just do that, there are a number of practical constraints. Some people just can't afford the more expensive items, and a lot of the time you can't see that made in china thingy until you have already opened the box. And the one that I have to deal with, sometimes you have limited options in where you can shop, be it living in a small town, or an army base, and you have to buy what is being sold. While I do agree with your sentiment, we also need some things on our end done in order to make it practical.
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
I fully understand. If you have no choice, you have no choice, no need to feel ashamed about that. You can still spread the word. if enough people care about it, shops might look for alternatives. there are other countries where manufacturing is even cheaper that don't try to sell totalitarianism along with the product. if you can't be vocal with your money - you can still be vocal with your voice, so others who have more leverage can act :)
Relee
3 years, 9 months ago
Thanks for speaking out. What China is doing is terrible.
ArielCelestia
3 years, 9 months ago
Force sterilization? Scandinavia did that until very recently, if you wanted to change your legal gender. Should we stop purchasing from them as well? If the question comes down to purchasing Chinese goods, or not at all, because their competition is priced much much higher I will purchase Chinese. For some good categories they are a monopolist in manufacturing said things as well. Showing dis-support for them should come from a governmental level anyhows.
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
I'm not talking about LBGTQQ discrimination, I'm talking about sterilizing members of an entire population to prevent them from having kids. https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/08/29/chinas-forced-st...
There's reports of both forced abortions and forced sterilization among the Uighur minority. Feel free to google it, there's enough out there.

Not saying what was done in Scandinavia is OK, but 1. As you already wrote, this practice has apparently stopped, and 2. This is an entirely different league. We are talking proper genozide here.

Chinese officials of course deny any of this is happening. According to them there is no force sterilization or abortions, only "public healthcare" and the re-education camps are of course all "regular factories with good work conditions" (Although that kinda doesn't explain the barbed wire and guard towers visible in satellite images).

Sadly they don't allow reporters to investigate independently, and those who sneak in for pictures or videos run a high risk to just disappear and never to be heard from again. Because of that - I'm kinda inclined to treat the eye-witness reports as the tip of the iceberg instead of an exaggeration. If those allegations were false, or even just overblown.  then China's government had nothing to lose in letting independent reporters investigate.

If you still feel what happened in Scandinavia in the past is comparable and makes you uncomfortable, you are of course free to avoid Scandinavian built phones, Nokia isn't really what it used to be anyway ;)
foxboyprower
3 years, 9 months ago
This sounds like you want us to vote with our wallet.
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
Its probably the only way that counts. It's not like there's free elections in China ;)
I also don't think the way China acts can be swayed by a boycott of goods, or a change in government be caused that easily. That needs to come from within. But the power China has in and over the rest of the world is predominantly economical. That can be broken if everyone just stops buying their shit.

But more importantly spread the word. The few dozen who read my journal here won't really make a difference, unless you happen to run a multi billion dollar corporation and were just about to build factories in Shanghai :)
foxboyprower
3 years, 9 months ago
And voting with my wallet would mean I have to compete with a lot of other people with much bigger wallets. I'm sure you know that, but it's not something I'm confident will help.

I think globalization makes it really hard to just stop simply buying from China. I'd love to take away their economic power, but I think you would be hard pressed to find anything that doesn't at least have components or materials from China (especially rare earth metals).
Blackraven2
3 years, 9 months ago
This is where social media comes in. Boycott calls CAN make a difference. The recent pressure on facebook and other social media - by their advertisers - to not let hatespeech happen unopposed. The pressure on Shell - based on an appeal from GreanPeace to not buy their fuel due to a scandal with a oil rig in the North Sea. Do not underestimate the power of the people when it comes to voting with wallets.

The key to that though is visibility. If companies start getting bad press for manufacturing in china, they start fearing it might impact their sales. As long as there are viable alternatives - and there are - they will move their manufacturing - at least long term.

So for now - more important than the actual "vote with the wallet" is the "threat of the vote with the wallet" - it's the exposure, that makes people and companies both change their habits. This can happen and it will happen.

On average every person on this planet knows every other person of this planet over only 6 links - that means you know someone who knows someone who knows someone, who knows someone who knows someone, who knows every other person in the world. I reach a very small community here on IB with this call, but in theory if everyone who reads this spreads the call in yet another circle and asks them to pass it along, after 6 iterations there will be no person and certainly no furson who hasn't read it. By that time news will have picked it up, and politicians too will have heard about it and incorporate it into their agendas. By then it will affect election campaigns and corporate policies. By then companies will advertise with "manufactured in free countries only."

so in fact what you do with your wallet is actually pretty inconsequential. It will only matter if everyone does it, and once everyone does it, what you do is again inconsequential. It's the spirit that counts.

But whether or not you pass on the message, that DOES make a difference. A HUGE difference. Especially in this day and age. So... if you please, copy paste a link to this journal into your own. Or put the message on twitter, or on a different platform. It doesn't matter how, as long as the message is heard.



Galahandhi
3 years, 7 months ago
Huh.  This is the same reason I don't buy stuff from the USA when I can avoid it -- which is difficult in Canada.  Can't find any certified-Canadian cheese slices in NB and the only blocks we've got are small high-quality (and price) ones from PEI.
Blackraven2
3 years, 4 months ago
Well for cheese you need milk, for milk you need cattle, and for cattle you need juicy meadows. Canada has forests, but not so many grassy fields. But around most of the world the cheese situation is pretty dire anyway. You should come to Europe and check our Dutch or Swiss cheese.

Avoiding US products would be hard, not so much for produce but for services. Try using the internet but do not use anything US based is going to be hard. No Google, No Microsoft, ... it's especially frustrating because a lot of technology was built up in my own country, but the startups were then eventually bought up by US based tech giants and now it belongs to US companies. Sometimes feels like an invasion.

But at least these pay well and offered the staff positions at the parent company.

We once had an engineering based company in town once that was bought up by a Chinese consortium. The Chinese arrived in a private plane, took all the blueprints, patents and some of the prototypes, then left. No investment beyond that. Like vultures. The company's carcass was left to rot with no money, no intellectual property and no future, filed for bankruptcy within a month, everyone got fired, inventory and machines got auctioned off.
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