Inkbunny

I dont think thats his point...

It's not how the justice system works, and Trumps guilty of meny things, impeachable offenses we know of are not one of those things.

You wanna oust Trump? Cool beans, convince the DNC to stop Fucking itself over for it;s coperate masters and back a candidate that might ACTUALY beat him. Im welling to bet Yang or Tulsi could do it, but they will never get past the primary.

Arkanos

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@ KevinSnowpaw

A fair and honest trial that brings forth witnesses and is based on a juries findings, that'd be a fair point.

But this was a political hackshow with basically everyone voting on the party lines, with no witnesses, and no real trial to speak of.

It's absolutely fair to call it bullshit.

KevinSnowpaw

4 years, 2 months ago

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it wasnt a trial as most people know and understand it. we get over saturated with what a trial is supposed to be by crap like law and Order shows. This was not a criminal trial it plays out very differently.

the reason why witnesses were not called was becouse the DMC had opertunity to get all there ducks in a row BEFORE to hearing, in wich case any witnesses they wanted would have been brought forword they voted against ADITIONAL witnesses being allowed to be called..

the DNC knew they had fuck all on trump that would hold water this entire shit show was designed to waste time and try to hurt his image...becouse they have no other chance to beat him in the next election.

what they dont seem to understand is you cant make turmp look bad by makeing him LOOK BAD he doesnt care, the reason people voted for him means they also dont care. He was a reation to a problem.

They need to beat him by being better and presenting the American people with what the SIlent majority wants and that's not happening right now becouse the DNC has become and more more left wing, the silent majority doesnt LIKE candidates who are socialist or want to toss open the borders or want to protect illegal immigrents who have camitted crims from deporation ect.

the DMC can beat trump if only they would devorce themselves from the crazyer fringe elements but they wont.

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

If it wasn't a trial as most people understand it then why does a verdict handed down in a clearly biased way that, whether it went one way or the other, was a political jackjob party-line vote indicate guilt, OR innocence?

KevinSnowpaw

4 years, 2 months ago

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it was kind a hack job party line thing on either side.

look man I not a laywer I have some background in law but this is a bit outside my feild, all im saying is, this is very different from a criminal trial and doesnt work the same way. the dems never intended to oust him they knew they couldent they just wanted to waste time and smear him some more before the election. You see shit like this all the time on both sides just not useualy this overt.

Look you guys wanna get trump gone? cool i've told meny people how to do this will see if they listent.

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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"A fair and honest trial that brings forth witnesses and is based on a juries findings"

You mean what Pelosi and her cohorts were trying to prevent by not handing over documents, not even bringing forth the guy(s) who made the claims in the first place, and not allowing the Republicans to bring their own forward because "just believe us we're totally not lying to push our agenda"?

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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LOL, you bellow the lies.

Zeikcied

4 years, 2 months ago

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Okay, cool. Bill Clinton was acquitted, so I guess he never lied to congress. OJ Simpson was acquitted, so he never murdered anyone. Michael Jackson was acquitted, so I guess all his relationships with children were on the up-and-up.

Because if a person is acquitted, then that means they never committed a crime. Thanks for clearing that up.

Trump Derangement Syndrome sure is a term aimed at the wrong group of people.

SentinelX

4 years, 2 months ago

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@ Zeikcied

Next time try for impeachment on actual crimes, not made up complaints that amount to little more than "I don't like him!"

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How about witholding aid appropriated and aggreed upon by both parties in Congress. Aid to an allied nation under attack by a mutual adversary. And this aid was witheld in an attempt to get our ally nation to aggree to some phony deal that had nothing to do with any of what the assistance was intended for. Btw thats called extortion

KevinSnowpaw

4 years, 2 months ago

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it's slimey.. and i dont agree with it... but Legally speaking hes not guilty of extortion.

the reaosn the Dems pulled so hard for this is they were worried and rightyfully so, that they stood no chance of beating him in 2020, and they dont. Not unless they cut the bullshit and back a candidate thats not an Establishment Dem Drone. Tulsi or yang are IMO the only ones with a shot at beating trump...

Honestly up untill this point I favored Tulsi but...Yangs been saying some shit recently thats really got me paying a lot of attention to him.

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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Except as the president he's allowed to do that.

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no hes not.... HIS job is to sign for the aid to be sent. YES or NO, not "yes, but only if you do this for us in return" THATS my big issue with it

and all the people that complain about "Obama only sent them blankets" well again, its not the president's job to allocate those materials, thats CONGRESS. the president just signs off on if its okay. but it just bugs me that congress approved PLENTY of assistance for our allied nation and this guy turns it into some big political move against an upcoming opponent (who technically hasnt even won the nomination yet, just saying) just to try and get what he wants....

SentinelX

4 years, 2 months ago

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Then they should've made "extortion of a foreign nation" one of the official charges under the articles of impeachment. Would've gone over a whole lot better than "abuse of power" and "obstruction of congress" whatever that means.

HellDoradoLion

4 years, 2 months ago

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@ SentinelX

well obstruction of congress DID actually happen, and some republican senators did vote guilty of those acts. so i would definitely say the house was still within its rights to list those reasons for their impeachment move.

KevinSnowpaw

4 years, 2 months ago

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@ Zeikcied

Zeikcied wrote:

soo you might have something with that other shit...

But Jackson was innocent =p he was fucking WEIRD but who isent in hollywood. But yeah theres 0 evidence to suggest his accusers are anything more then attnetion seeking gold diggers, especialy since at least one if not more of the accusers came ou and admited to makeing that shit up XD

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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@ Zeikcied

MJ was innocent. His trial was a complete sham, too.

Teisu

4 years, 2 months ago

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To each their own, everyone has their opinions.

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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@ Teisu

It isn't a fucking opinion though. The facts were presented (as few and faulty as the dem ones were) and the trial was had. Fucking get over it - that's the point.

Teisu

4 years, 2 months ago

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Welp, and here I was thinking that respect gets me somewhere...
Fine then, you asked for it.

Saglinger

4 years, 2 months ago

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I have to say the whole impeachment thing drove me mad. The only people who were convinced he violated the law were the ones who had decided he was guilty before they had made any accusations. The transcripts to mention investigating corruption, yes, but nowhere in the call was the aid mentioned. So far as I'm aware, the decision to delay the aid to Ukraine and the phone call to Ukraine's president are disparate events, the only connection they have with each other is the fact that they both involved Ukraine.

I don't like Trump(which is actually an improvement, I actually despised him before he took office, but he surprised me), but I'm absolutely sick and tired of the media either spinning everything about him to be negative, or flat out lying about things he's said(for example, "Immigrants are animals," when he wasn't talking about immigrants in genera, but a group known as MS13, a gang so brutal they've been called "Mexican ISIS").

There aren't any neutral media outlets any more, and I think that's what bugs me most about the whole thing. They're all ridiculously against Trump(CNN, MSNBC), or Pro Trump(Fox News)

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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Honestly Fox has been pretty fair, which feels weird to say. They've gone against him a few times but largely seem to have come around. Or are just playing devil's advocate because of the shitstorm of ORANGE MAN BAD NAZIS ARE BACK WORLD IS ENDING bullshit the others spew.

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4 years, 2 months ago

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Senates in every country stopped doing what they are meant to do (doing checks on laws) long ago and they just vote for their own interests.
It happens in my country almost daily.
It happened in the US in this case.

Sure Trump was acquitted. That does not equal being innocent. And by not getting that other guy to testify the outcome was pretty clear. But again, mostly because senates stopped doing their independent main job long ago...

And I'm sure the US is doing fine (no idea honestly). But part of hearing him everywhere on discord is also the effect he has on international relations. And a bunch of those have gotten worse in the past 4 years.

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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Tbh a lot of the international relations deserved to worsen, especially in Europe with how authoritarian the EU is becoming. In the US we're doing better than ever, lowest unemployment in 50 years for starters. New and better trade deals across the board, and finally some pushback against China's bullshit. I wasn't a fan of him going in but if he can keep this up I'm all for it.

Doesn't hurt that Bernie's campaign managers were outed as literal, self-proclaimed communists either. <_<

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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What the hell has happened to the democratic party? They have gone even more insane than the republicans were back in the late 90s and early 2000s.

So many idiots that are convinced "they know it all" more than professionals and lawyers and such, that they would be willing to pass judgement on another human based off the frenzy they were whipped into by the media and talking heads. Were you there, in person? Did you record everything yourself, in person? Do you have absolute evidence and legal code sections that were 100% violated and 100% provable beyond a shadow of a doubt, and not just your "feelings" or "assumptions"? If not, then shut the fuck up.

Just because someone thinks he is guilty because someone doesn't like the guy, doesn't actually make him guilty. Trying to get someone arrested or thrown in jail or removed from office, based on jealousy or dislike is the exact definition of a "Witch hunt" and I can see now what Trump has been pointing that out so much.

This is how the justice system works in America... Nothing is perfect, but it is as close as we can get without being an oppressive communist or fascist regime. If there is not enough evidence to convict you of a crime, or a jury finds you guilty or not guilty by a single vote, then that is the verdict.

I hated the crap out of Bush Jr, and he was a shit ton worse than Trump is, but we only had to deal with him for 8 years, and then the next lying asshole came in. In a year or four, Trump will be gone too.

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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You mean more insane than the republican party in the early 2020s, surely?

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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How are the Republicans insane? They're the only ones who haven't gone completely fucking bonkers. They're not the ones screeching their heads off for 4 years straight about a single person and the only ones willing to talk or hear another viewpoint because all the far left whackjobs drove all the moderates and centrists into their arms. The party's changed, and honestly for the better tbh.

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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The only ones who haven't gone completely bonkers? Christ shitting on a cracker, man, the only sane republican in the senate is Mitt Romney. McCain, tragically, passed away... and was mocked after his death by the President... to the cheers of most republicans.

That isn't sanity. And if you think THAT kind of stuff is "for the better", you're the reason why I left it. You, and everyone like you, are directly responsible.

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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No... The Republicans were a lot more nutty in the late 90s and early 2000s with all the religious stuff and anti-gay stuff. Since then they have actually moved more to the left as the Democrats have gone insanely far to the left.

At the moment, I'm not worried about the Republicans taking away my civil rights as I am about the democrats doing such. Too many democrats have been pushing for censorship of free speech under the vague definition of "hate speech", some have openly said they want to jail or kill climate "deniers", they want to ban guns from law abiding citizens while at the same time giving massive protections and rights to violent criminals, they want to tax poor people for "their own good" by making it hard or impossible for poor people to ever become richer because "the environment" and "too many fatties", they want to arbitrarily raise the minimum wage which kills small business when there is no gold or silver standard to our money to fight inflation, they want open borders and "free" healthcare for illegal immigrants that would screw over all the regular citizens and legal immigrants in much higher taxes, and the list goes on.

Also the Dems have gotten just as corporate and warmongering as the republicans are, you can especially see this with how pro war Hillary was and the fact that Bernie "Socialist Never Worked A Real Job" Sanders, and Barack "You didn't build it" Obama, are now multi millionaires with million dollar mansions on beach/waterfront property that they said would all be under water in 10 years that they fly on private jets to.

As far as I am concerned, the republicans AND the democrats are insane, but the democrats pulled way out in front of the republicans in insanity when they started pushing for more and more authoritarian and totalitarian ideals, especially when they started espousing socialist/communist ideas while clinging tightly to their big money donors.

I don't care what side someone is on, I have a low tolerance for hypocrites.

Right now the establishment dems will say ANYTHING to get elected, then turn around and stab everyone in the back. Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang were the best bets but the establishment has done all it can to keep them down, and they are doing the same to Bernie a second time.

At least republicans were able to unify enough to get their side to win after they lost from snubbing Ron Paul back in the day, meanwhile the DNC thinks THEY are the king-makers of the democratic party and NOT the actual voting public.

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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LOL. That stuff is still in the republican party. it never left.

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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What stuff?

Are you trying to say the republicans are also over regulatory, gun banning, freespeech hating, socialist policy pushing?

The love of pro-corporate, military industrial complex, and drug company money? I already mentioned that the democrats and republicans love that.

Just shows the horseshoe theory at work as the republicans and democrats are pretty much the same on many issues while they try to deny they are.

I understand YOU think the democrats never do anything wrong, but that is not reality.

Arkanos

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I didn't read past your initial show of ignorance when you pretended like the republican party stopped being anti-gay or pro-religion. If you think that changed you're deluded. Even the "let's get back to all of that stuff"-original Tea Party republicans think the modern republican party has gone batshit crazy, and the Tea Party was already batshit crazy.

Going back to actually read your whole thing, it looks like I was right to skip it the first time. A lot of misinformation and nothing based on facts. I could start with what Obama said being a reference to the roads and infrastructure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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LOL You are just a bundle of joy aren't you?

I'm not going to defend the republicans or the democrats any more. As far as I'm concerned they are both trash and I'm not part of either party. I'm just pointing out the republicans are less crazy than they were in the early 2000s and the democrats have gotten more crazy since then as well.

Since you are going to name call and make broad assumptions of me, this discussion is over. Only a loser starts name calling people to feel like they "win" an argument.

Take care, and perhaps learn to calm down a bit, maybe some tea, or some pot.

Arkanos

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They really aren't less crazy at all, and calling your claim "a show of ignorance" is absolutely accurate. It's not calling you names, it's just... y'know. Saying you're showing ignorance when you're saying the party of "gays bad, religion good" got less crazy when now it's "gays bad, religion good, trump sacrosanct, pedophiles good if they're republican" with a very vocal side of "KILL THE GAYS AND IMMIGRANTS", coming from the "America First"/groyper camps as well.

I mean fuck, calling the party that protects Steve King, noted racist, "less crazy than it used to be" is absolutely a show of ignorance. It shows your ignorance, willful or otherwise, of the republican party.

The irony is that I said your views were a show of ignorance, which isn't name calling or even an insult against you directly. Whereas, within your narrative that I surely had insulted you, you called me a loser. Sipping a bit of hypocri-tea there, mate?

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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Just just love jumping straight to assumptions and extremes, don't you.

And you are ignorant for not knowing the difference between a "religious conservative" nutjobs like Sharia Islamists and hardcore fire and brimstone Christians, and a "constitutional conservative" that would be considered a classical liberal or libertarian.

And if you want to start saying that a few specific people are indicative of the entire party or a broad group of people, then you are even more ignorant than you seem to think I am.

Again as far as I am concerned, BOTH parties are shit, and they are not as black and white as you seem to think they are. The democrats are guilty of a lot of the same things republicans are as well, be it anti-gay or pedo shit (Epstein didn't kill himself), that's why I vote libertarian and 3rd party.

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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All the "constitutional conservatives" keep getting wrapped up in "what if the child consents" issues within the libertarian party instead of trying to make the republican party any better. Hell, even Rand Paul voted to acquit the President and he's supposed to be the best chance for a libertarian view that y'all have.

If the Republican Party was like Mitt Romney I'd agree it isn't batshit crazy. But it's not. It's kowtowed to Trump, completely. That's batshit crazy and worse than the 90s/2000s

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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What child consent? Are you saying libertarians and constitutional conservatives are pedos?

Wow man, you must be smoking some bad shit.

And mitt Romney is EXACTLY what you said you hated being a hard core religious conservative mormon anti-gay establishment asshole.

I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with you man. This is a bit too nuts for me to continue with.

Arkanos

4 years, 2 months ago

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No, I'm saying the libertarian party is infested with pedophiles. And I say this because my constitutional-conservative libertarian hard-right friend that's hard-line 1A and a member of Gun Owners of America keeps outing pedophiles within the libertarian party when he learned about their disgusting views.

Mitt Romney is the only hard core religious conservative asshole with morals. Among the entire republican senate, he was the only one that didn't toe the party line. So yes, I would like more republicans that put morals about party. 1 isn't enough.

Kepora

4 years, 2 months ago

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*in four years

Let's be honest there's no way he loses 2020, lmao

AxleFurret

4 years, 2 months ago

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