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DarwentheOrca

Tera and BYO Computer Q's

So, Tera. Never played an actual MMO. Very fun so far, especially with friends.

However, my '09 Mac Mini just barely runs it playably. So I may have to bite the bullet and BMO Computer.

Never done it before. These are the parts I'm looking at right now: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41994909/Newegg.com%20Shopping...

Any other tips/suggestions would be appreciated.
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Added: 6 years, 6 months ago
 
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
Get a little big bigger PSU unit... like 750W  or more...
IT runs way cooler since it is not stressed near it's peak, plus the price difference is minimal...
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Also some powerfull enough and silent cpu cooler.. from zalman or scythe... or the likes of those..
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
..DO NOT  forget to buy arctic thermal silver compound or similar thermal compound for your cpu & coolers
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
also, i would personally choose Nvidia over ati, if you plan to play games... mainly for PhysX physics acceleration it has..  Also its cuda architechture enables video codecs etc.. run straight on the video card, although in modern computers, with multiple cores and whatnot , computational power to decode HD video is no real issue....  
But, it is a matter of preference which card you choose really... i just happen to like Nvidias, and have had no issues with them.
Nvidia has way better physics modelling, but ati offfers eyefinity multiple screen gaming a bit easies....
it is a matter of preference...
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
Well, I really only plan on using it for gaming. My Mac(s) can handle my HD video needs quite well.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
but yush... you should be able to play just about anything with quite killer settings on that rig..
looks good ^^
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
What is the top of the line Nvidia, anyway?
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
they just released their 600 series... so... 680GTX or 690GTX might be their top notch atm..  690 is of course better of those two ^^  
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
690's not even out yet.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
http://techland.time.com/2012/04/30/nvidias-dual-core-...

yes.. came out this thursday... today that is...
but really that is not a valid option as such, since you can get same power, cheaper, by simply sli bridging two 680's together... which is basically what 690 is....    so the valid(real) option is the 680..   i just threw that 690gtx in there since you asked about top models ^^
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
So yeah. I think I'm just gonna keep the Radeon, mostly for availability reasons. The 680 is hard to find (sold out on NewEgg and Frys).
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
to my own experience.. practically any higher end gfx card will do nicely if and when run on one monitor... if one plans to run games spread over several screens, and/or in 3D with full settings... that is when the really highest end cards, or multiple gfx card combos come into play.. but yes, get what is available, and as long as you get it from the somewhat higher spectrum, it will be marvelous on one screen..
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
I guess the next step is cooling. This is where I'm pretty dumbfounded. What I should get, how to install it, and what not. I'd prefer not to have this box melt. ;)
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
-4 am here...
i check that site you are ordering from, what they have, and check out the case you ar getting, and i'll post some suggestions...
when the stuff arrives, if needed, i can webcam you through the building process etc.. or the least write you a to do list to follow.
no worries, it is way easier than it sounds really ^^
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
I did some minor updates to the file. Different case and higher PSU. Still looking for recommendation for cooling, though.
lionorking
6 years, 6 months ago
ddue i play tera its a fing blast and its more fun then any mmo ive played!!!!!
xpanther
6 years, 6 months ago
looks good. artic silver cooling compound for the processor/heatsync will help keep it  cool. Likely you will want to put in an aftermarket CPU cooler too.

power supply is about right (eyeballing it). add up the power draw from all the components and add 20%, thats the amount of 'power supply' you will need. :3 anything more than 50w above that is a waist of electricity o.o
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
well, the psu is able to draw certain amount of power, but.... 600w power supply does not eat that constantly.... like when the pc is idling and the gfx acceleration is not in use....  750wpsu does not eat more power than 600w one if the components it feeds stay the same... it is just cabable of putting out more power...
also, check that the certain psu you are buying can deliver enough ampers to your gfx card...
for example... this psu http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/17...  can deliver 18 ampers to all of its different 12volt lines...   so check what is the requirement of that specific card you are buying, and make sure your psu can deliver...  
it is not all about wattage....
EDIT:
checked that power you are getting.. it feeds 46A to its 12V line..... nice
should be able to handle any one card.... although it is modular, and shares that with all connected hardware... but still should be able to handle just about anything..
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
Best safe than sorry, I'll look for a better PSU.
LelandRoss
6 years, 6 months ago
It seems that others have said just about what I'd mention.  As for building the system itself, just be patient.  Double-check and triple-check everything you do, and go step by step.  You'll be better off for it when you're done.

Also, don't panic if it doesn't work the first time.  Panicking is bad. :'(
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
So as it happens one of my side jobs has been prototyping bitcoin rigs with off the shelf consumer parts. That's basically a  computers running three to four graphics cards at the same time at max load.

Sooo, looking at our parts list, I noticed some issues.  You for one ordered three GPU's (graphics adapters).  There's a integrated adapter in the i7 processor, there's an integrated gpu in the motherboard, and you're buying a graphics card.  I would pick a processor and motherboard that do not have integrated GPU's.  You're never really going to be using them.  I'd recommend an AMD processor over the i7.  

This processor has 8 cores and similar clock speed, but no integrated GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...  Heatsink http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...

And this mother board is very similar to the one you picked, also with no GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...

Ram looks fine, no bad reviews, I'm not familiar with the brand.  I usually go after kingston or crucial.

The graphics card you picked is pretty good, but over kill for the game you want to play.  I would buy a Radeon HD 6870.  It will be plenty for your game and $/power is a better value http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...

The case you picked is okay, I agree with the other people, grab a higher wattage PSU (600-750).  They're not terribly expensive, and it's better to error on the side of caution.  If you're still in the mood to browse case/psu combos I'd recommend corsair http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=...

This one is a favorite of mine http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...  The airflow is great and I love those toggle latches to pop the hood

I wouldn't bother with an SSD.  They're faster, but just buy two 7200rpm terabyte drives and raid 1 them.  They're cheaper and over time will keep their speed.  SSD's will decline as they age.

Last, I saw you put in a dvd rom for $20.  Why not just go with a bluray burner, they're not really that expensive anymore http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...  Although personally I do everything (including installing the OS) with a usb drive.

ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
OMFG sorry, my grammer is horrible.
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
I'm going for near top of the line so that I don't have to mess with upgrading for awhile.

Honestly, I prefer Intel over AMD. Also, there is no onboard video on the motherboard I chose. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16... Probably because the new CPUs have it integrated.

I've already agreed on getting a higher PSU. I took a look through some different cases though.

I have no need for a blu-ray, or even a burner. A simple DVD-ROM is all I need. And that's really to install Windows.

Also, I have updated the file with some slightly different equipment

Again, my only real questions now are with the cooling system. I await recommendations on that.



Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...  this is good quality and quiet for the cpu..
and .. since your case supports 5 fans.. i'd say 3 of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...  would do the trick on the case.. one on the side blowing in, towards your gfx card and cpu .. one for hard drives, one on top or rear for exhaust...  these are also quality fans which i use.. really quiet and long lasting.
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these would be what i might choose, for the cool and quiet solution..
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
also on your power supply choice ..

"Hardware Secrets Golden Award

The new Corsair GS800 is a terrific power supply for its price point, and we highly recommend it if you are looking for an 800 W unit with a good cost/benefit ratio.

Even though it only has the standard 80 Plus certification, we saw efficiency up to 85.7%, and we could pull up to 1,000 W from it (even though under this extreme condition efficiency dropped a lot). Voltages were closer to their nominal values than required (3% voltage regulation), and ripple and noise levels were below the maximum allowed."

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-GS800-P...

Really good choice in every way..
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
Crap. I just noticed that the RAM I selected had disappeared. So, I updated the file again.

Also, is there any backup utility for Windows that acts just like Apple's Time Machine (http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#timemachinebasics )?
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
So, I shouldn't need to look at any liquid cooling system? Or is that really for the hardcore over-clockers.
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
Liquid cooling is a waste for almost everyone.  It can be quieter than a case full of fans, but if it leaks or runs dry you destroy some expensive hardware.
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
What would be a good liquid cooling system, out of curiosity?
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
Unfortiontaly Ive never had a need, so Ive never researched them.  Liquid cooling is seriously expensive.  You need very high quality fittings, and a pump that is continous duty at high tempuratures.  

If I needed a system I would start researching familiar names.  I think Thermaltake and Cool master do cooling systems.  You also need a case designed for it.  Its easier to fit a radiator, resevor and pump in a case that has places for them.  I would personally cool both the gpu and the cpu if I was going through the hassle of liquid cooling.
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
That doesn't look bad, as long as the case has a good place to put the radiator.  The idea of it being an inclosed loop is appealing.  

However the GPU you have in your parts list is a monster.  When your GPU is running 90% capacity it's going to make more noise and a ton more heat then the cpu.  They're going to be running at 80c ~ 90c.  The tiny fans in general make a lot of noise, and you're still going to need case fans to keep positive pressure in the case so the GPU can exhaust properly.  

That might not be an issue at all for you, I'm not sure what your usage habits are; you may never push that card to it's max.

To give you an idea my test rig I have currently runs two Radeon HD 5850's running at 385Mh/s per card.  Each card is about ~125watts each, they stay around 75c, and heat my room when the door is closed (no airflow in or out) to 27c.  The Radeon HD 7970 is about ~200watts and does about 600Mh/s.  So I don't expect it to get as hot in your case, but it will contribute a lot on it's own.
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
The case has vents on almost all the sides. The vents on the top are where they'd like the radiator put. So I have 3 120mm fans. A couple of side fans, and a rear fan.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
ok.. here is my personal opinion and thought on the matter.
I do not prefer liquid cooling.. If something goes wrong with it, ever, the effect is usually catastrophic  at once.. examples..
1.if the circulation stops, the heat conductivit of mere water in thin pipes is not enough, and the cpu overheats extremely quickly.
2. if it leaks, it will shortcircuit your system, and in the worst case, destroy everything, every circuit, like the control circuitry of the harddrives being fried from the electric shock from the motherboard.
3. the cooling power of water heating is excessive, in any normal usage... only situations where i have seen that as handy solution, are some soundstudio machines, which have passively cooled lowgrade gfx cards, and watercooling for motherboard&cpu , eliminating the need of fans, making it virtually noiseless for the recording environment.
4. The cooler i suggested, has enough thermal dissipating surface area, that even in the worst case,(all fans failing) , it has enough cooling power so that your cpu is safe... those kinds of large heatsinks with quality copper and heatpipes can in theory keep your cpu cool and working without any fans, so even if you are not home, your pc is on, and fans fail for one reason or another, your computer is safe..
5. directional airflow, intake fans sucking cool air and blowing it into harddrives and into your cpu & gfx card help them maintain working temps even in the sumer, while the exhaust in the back removes all excessive heat effectively.
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These are my opinions on the matter.. there are really no hard truths, but based on my experience, i would suggest these. And ottah is right, the noisemaker in any moder gaming pc is the gfx card...  i choose for my pleasure Palit gtx 560 ti version, which has way larger fans than the basic reference card, and it is way more silent...  it was not the most powerfull card in its time when i got it, but it had very decent power to noise ratio, so to speak..   and if your ati keeps way too much noise for your taste, you can always get some quality cooler&heatsink for it from a different source, like from zalman or such...
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
He's probably okay with the liquid cooling system he's looking at it.  It's a pretty sealed all in one circuit.  It's unlikely to fail.  Although I agree, there's no need IMHO.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
and again.. not about how likely it is to fail... that was not the issue or point i was making...
the issue and point i tried to make was.. in case it does fails, what could happen, and how bad it could get.
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
Thats cool, for the price point I always feel like Im getting ripped off by intel. I'm usually going for the most power per dollar.  Goodluck.

I probably shouldnt have post a huge parts list.
DarwentheOrca
6 years, 6 months ago
I shall pose this question to you as well. Is there any backup utility for Windows that acts just like Apple's Time Machine (http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#timemachinebasics )?
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
I havent found a windows app that is as good as osx timeline out of the box.  The closest I found is dropbox which can keep version history for files.  But you yave tobpay a monthly fee for the storage.

For just version history on project files there is things like svn or git that allow you to keep anrecord of revisions.  My boyfriend uses svn for photography.

Im kind of a linux nerd so my solution would be rsync and a handful of bash scripts.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
Same as ottah.. not have found similar, or did not have need for such... there is this option, that if you get for your windows, lets say 2 similar drives and mirror raid them as one, then your system will work faster, and in case of one of the drives failing, you just need to replace it, while the rest of your sytem is in perfect condition on the other drive, and totally usable..
that is atleast the theory...  over the years i have heard of some negative intput, and situations where the actual RAID was the cause of lost data and such, and people in home environments, my friends, tend to avoid it.  instead, they have, like i do, few external hard drives, where i store my backups... i have couple of dedicated backup drives, which are not connected to my pc constantly, i keep them safe in the bookshelf, and they both hold all of my work/song/ etc important files from over the years, so no matter what happens to my pc, i have 2 backups of all my important files..
ottah
6 years, 6 months ago
Software/hardware raid in windows is not as good as in linux.  Chances are the failures you have in your raid are due to using consumer grade drives.  There's a differences in the firmware between commercial and enterprise grade drives that make them better for raid.  I think it has to do with error checking and how many times they retry.  It's been a while since I've looked at it.
Lyserdigi
6 years, 6 months ago
i have had no raid.... you must have misread something...
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