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Mini Rant - Anime Fansub Grous Lately

Why do anime fansub groups feel the need to do all there stuff in 10-Bit encodes now. Nothing properly supports it with GPU decoding yet. Sure software decoding is fine by my MediaPC relies on GPU decoding for some HD content. My MediaPC just cant handle these new animes in 10-Bit and as much as I really want to build a new MediaPC (Or main PC and turn the main PC now into the new MediaPC) it's just out of the question. Thank god the RAW groups are still releasing the raws in 8-Bit and I have experience in muxing/de-muxing MKV's and working with subtitles to fix any small timing issues caused by differences in encodes so I can make myself a properly subbed 8-Bit encode.

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Added:	11 years, 12 months ago 26 Apr 2012 08:11 CEST

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smaxattax

11 years, 12 months ago

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Fansub groups have always been infamous for encoding with extreme settings. Before hardware H.264 decoding, people would complain about them encoding with 8-16 ReFrames and B-Frames, resulting in dropped frames on slower machines.

I think this is really just the next evolution of that. When 10-bit support becomes mainstream, there will eventually be some new bleeding edge thing (perhaps HEVC) that people will complain about.

Ultratails42

11 years, 12 months ago

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@ smaxattax

Yeah. I remember this. Luckily at those times my system was always quite strong (My main system is quite strong and can easily handle 10-Bit H.264 1080p encodes without as much as a hitch). However the MediaPC which is connected to my TV and is how I like to watch stuff (20 inch screen versus 40 inch. Take your pick) is one of my old old PC's. A repurposed Pentium 4 3.2ghz system. It is not up to the task of 10-Bit 720p let alone 1080p. It can run 8-Bit 720p with no real issues generally (Every so often there were ones that were an issue but GPU decoding fixed that). 1080p is still a bit hard on the machine even with the GPU decoding. Some will work. Some won't. But 10-Bit is out of the question for that machine.

At least like I said the raw groups are still releasing 8-Bit encodes and since everything is MKV and softsubbed these days I can nab the 8-Bit raws and mux a new version using the groups subs with the 8-Bit raw and then use aegisub to fix any timing issues from the different encodes. Thank god I used to do anime fansubbing for years and know how to do all this stuff. Course MKV's and Aegisub came out after I was no longer doing stuff but I did keep up with the tech so all is well there.

Shokuji

11 years, 12 months ago

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I'm ignorant on this stuff.. are you talking about color depth? =o

All I know about it is going from 8bit (16777216) to 10bit (100000000) is a nearly a 600% increase in color choices. Or... at least, I think it's something like that. c.c;;

Ultratails42

11 years, 12 months ago

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@ Shokuji

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles

Hi10p is the name of the new format.

smaxattax

11 years, 11 months ago

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@ Shokuji

That it is. But the new trend is people using 10-bit x264 even for 8-bit source material. Why would they do that? Well, counter-intuitive to thinking, 10-bit encodes usually end up slightly smaller and with better color (e.g. less/no color banding) than their 8-bit encoded counterpart.

PeachClover

11 years, 11 months ago

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You are complaining the quality is too high? ... The advice I have for you is convert the videos to a format that is needed for the player device in question. I have always watched them on my main computer, and don't do a lot of showing the stuff to others. I used to want to burn them all to DVD or convert them to some other media device, but that was too much work for me and I simply stayed with using a fully functional PC to do the job.

Ultratails42

11 years, 11 months ago

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@ PeachClover

Well the problem with re-encoding is not much stuff supports the format for input which makes re-encoding them quite hard. Like ive said though I can get the raws in 8-bit so thats not an issue necessarily. Just means I have to do some work to move the subs over and retime them to a degree if need be.

PeachClover

11 years, 11 months ago

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@ Ultratails42

I really don't understand why you aren't happy with the higher quality. Way back when my internetting began, video files were low res and even on a 13" monitor appeared no bigger than 3"x3" ... videos that require my whole monitor make me quite happy, when ever I think about those times.

Ultratails42

11 years, 11 months ago

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@ PeachClover

Never said I was unhappy with it. Just wish they would wait till it's fully supported by stuff or at least label stuff as 10Bit encodes (Most aren't labeling there releases so have no clue if it's 10bit or not till you download it).

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