Cub art and Cubs are bad for many reasons by Koorivlf < Journal

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kiba

4 years, 9 months ago

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What? You mean cub art?

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ kiba

Both

MystBunny

4 years, 9 months ago

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If you mean cub art, sexual crime data in countries with less strict laws suggests otherwise.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

Would you like to cite your sources?

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

One of many
https://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+...

And on the other hand, those using the slippery slope argument have nothing but anecdotes.

edit: Also being involved in the cub community for as long as I have been, I have a hell of a lot more anecdotes.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

Do these anecdotes include such members feeling more open to seeking therapist and following through?

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

Depends on a umber of factors, like what they are seeking therapy for, and whether or not adequate mental healthcare is available in their area. I will say that I've been involved in the cub community for at least a decade, and coming across someone who fails to maintain a strictly fictional interest is insanely rare. When it does happen, the anti-cub crowd will naturally latch onto it because it packs a punch, unlike the boring fiction-only interest anecdotes I could go on about for days.

I would also point out that by analyzing brain patterns of child molesters, it was determined that the vast majority of them had no sexual interest in children, suggesting instead their interest was in an easy victim.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

Seeking therapy for pedophilic tendencies. It's not boring when you're discussing pedo anecdotes, it's concerning. Being angry at a person for being pedophile is understandable but not helpful specifically for the therapy aspect. It should be treated like a medical concern rather than a moral outrage (which society is just bad at that with many different subjects so nuance is thrown out) However, at the end of the day you're still fetishizing age and that's not a neutral boring issue just like fetishizing death in vore is not a neutral issue.

My main point, slippery slop or not, it needs to be addressed differently than just allowing it on a site or it being produced in mass EVEN if crime data could suggests a correlation with a downward trend. Which side note, sexual abuse incidences do depend on how it's defined by the law and how it's recorded in data aka it's hard to tell if it's a real decline and real data is hard to collect.

I understand and know your point about child molesters but I just wanna point out that most people hearing that points will just think worse of pedophilia in relation to that.

Also normalizing sex with children is a step back in society and should be treated as such. It's not a victimless act when pedos do use cub material to lure kids into their traps and unlike say fire, knives, media, pedo art has no other real value or utility when other systems could be put in place to address it better.

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

It's not a victimless act when someone sees a violent movie or plays a violent video game and then goes on to mimic what they've seen in that content. Does that make violent movies and video games a step back in society and should be banned?

As for the data on sex crimes, we're talking about a downward trend within the same countries where the sexual assault definitions haven't changed from before and after the new laws, not simply comparing data on one country to another.

Look, if you want to say that cub porn makes YOU uneasy, fair enough, and you can block keywords here on Inkbunny so that you don't have to see it, but if you're saying it shouldn't be allowed on the site because it's dangerous, then you are objectively wrong. Politicians come back time and time again to how violent video games are making people violent, and they are objectively wrong. The human brain is just not that simple. Most people get a small endorphin rush for killing people in video games, but when they go out into the real world, those video games have absolutely no influence over their actions.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

This is true actually. This is why you see people criticize movies for their underlying or overt themes. You could make an argument to ban such content but most people are okay with violent movies because people separate the two acts as being fiction vs irl. The ethics of media and what should be engaged with is a very deep discussion and it does not have an easy answer. I would argue that certain types of violence should not be in movies as they are today because they enforce and normalize pretty awful normal things. Most violent movies are engaged with as being fiction and are taught as such. This violence can also teach people to be kinder because you're expressing the concept in a place where no one gets hurt.

These are things you can also argue for cubs but I would counter that with the fact that we've had(and still do) have societies in which children have been used for sex and when we've moved past that we allow children to live their lives without adults forcing their sexual desires onto them. Allowing people to explore the concept of fucking kids is not one in which I think is useful to humanity when there are better ways to handle that stuff.

The issue is not me seeing it, I've seen much more horrible stuff so it sadly does not phase me it's just an accepted fact that the owners of the site allow it. The issue is that it's allowed on a site in the first place. Again, I do think you can criticize games for their glorification of violence. All media affects people, if it didn't then it'd be boring. The point is to be affected, in what way/the result is the question to ask. Violent games can raise aggression temporarily and you can see people from places like the alt right use people's connection to said video games to promote irl violence. Acting like media influence a neutral thing that does nothing is disingenuous.

If you look at this stuff and you never hurt anyone then I'm only glad that you haven't hurt anyone with it and that you found some type of joy in this depressing world, I'm just not happy that joy comes from pedo content or that it had to be a discussion in the first place though. If people stagnate by only looking at such material with no engagement to seek help then said place is not helpful nor is the activity helpful to you. And that is to say the content is limited to fictional cub drawings and doesn't form into a desire to look at irl pics that were children being abused or used.

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

If I'm not hurting anybody, and I'm not going to hurt anybody, what does it matter where I get my joy from? Moreso, just as you don't choose your sexual orientation, you don't choose your kinks. I think of kinks as an extension of orientation. You don't choose what turns you on, you only choose what you act on, just as being interested in a guy or girl who's not interested in you doesn't make it okay to fuck them anyway, and most people won't do that. 99% of people know where that line is, and it's no different with cub porn. We know where the line is. It's not fair to ask us to give up our right to view it because someone somewhere did something bad. I'm sure someone, somewhere, raped an animal at one point, but I don't hear anyone (anymore) arguing that furry porn is a gateway to animal abuse and should therefore be banned. There have of course been talks among Fchan moderators back when that was a thing, on whether animal genetalia on furry porn should be banned on that very logic.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

To obtain, something of equal value must be exchanged. No action has no consequences. As an adult you must figure out the balance of actions with results. If your joy comes from the fetishization of kids in a society that has tried to distance themselves away from such things in order for kids to not be subjected to the sexual desires of adults then yes, it does matter.

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation just like a foot fetish is not an orientation. To act like that's an extension of orientation belittles the actual underlying aspects that go long with it. It's like saying a man is gay for sucking a dick, even if they don't like sucking dick and they only want sex with a woman. A single act like that doesn't infer orientation. Wanting to fuck a kid is a fetish and is one that has more negatives then positives.

You do choose what to act on and you chose to act on this. If a criminal acts on their desire to do a victimless crime, like steal $200 from a billionaire who forgot it's existence in the wash, you don't just say "well no one was harmed so I guess that wasn't a bad thing", you would say "was it bad that they stole money, or was it good that a person who needed the money acquired that money from someone who will make it back in literally .4 seconds." Your argument of reduced crime is an okay one but it doesn't get to the fundamental issue of correcting the fetish in the first place.

You're past the line and have made an arbitrary line beyond that. Again, the bad thing is the fetish and what it causes. These two things are not separate. Feral is contested for this reason yes, and with animals being objects people own (cows, pigs, sheep, dogs, horses, cats, etc) it is very likely that such pictures have contributed to such acts. This is not a good thing and is a discussion to talk about.

Anthros main aspect is their humanity but let's go with quadrupeds anthros to get closer to feral. They could be seen as feral beasts and there is an argue to making sure that aspect is not the focus the difference between a smart qudraped animal vs a feral animal is knowing if they talk, their age, their intelligence, their autonomy, etc. Just an image of them and their dick make no difference in that regard so the argument that such images shouldn't depicted is valid. But if you have a quadruped that demonstrates their intelligent, autonomy, and is an adult, then you're not really fethisizing the animal, you're asking the question who should have relationships. No brain feral animal is bad because it's a fetish about the animal, quadruped anthro is okay because although it can reference feral, the main focus is it's humanity. Bipedal anthros are basically aliens and 99% of people are okay with that. Gamora and Starlord is a thing people wanted in the marvel movie because of her humanity and love towards starlord was the focus, not her alien-ness. The good this does for stories, art, etc is better than the negatives it could bring.

You need to get out of your circles more cause lots of people still argue that furries as a whole are bestiality. People will even argue the alien thing is wrong. Heck, we still have the problem of white supremacy where people think other humans are like different non-engagable species. The discussion you're putting forth is fundamentally flawed to preserve your fetishization of youth. Fchan was good to critique such images. However fchan also has some other very questionable material so not really the best of examples to give but ok.

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

Well now you're ignoring my points completely and putting words in my mouth, and yes, in my opinion, disagree if you want, kinks are an extension of orientation and the reason I say this is simple. The kinks you have are here to stay. You can't "correct" them, just as you can't "correct" an attraction to the same sex. You can suppress it, but it never goes away, and then that only needlessly causes depression and self-loathing, and you can only hate yourself for so long before you have to eventually realize there's nothing wrong with you, or spiral into something much much worse. That's not a fundamentally flawed argument, that's proven fact.

The availability of fictional cub porn does not contribute to child exploitation. That's not fundamentally flawed, that's a fact, and it has been studied over and over again, and it has been proven over and over again. If you want to solve the problem, banning cub porn is objectively the wrong approach. It's fact, it's proven, and it's pointless to continue presenting your speculation as fact. That right there is fundamentally flawed.

Point is, if you really want to solve the problem of child exploitation, we're not on opposite sides of that. It's just that your approach targets the wrong people. Our approach gives an outlet to those who don't harm children while also freeing up police resources to go after creators and distributors of the real thing. You know, the people actually exploiting children. If you really want to solve the problem, it would help to get some insight from the very people you're speaking out against on solutions that are proven to actually make a difference.

Though it's somewhat refreshing that you seem to actually want to discuss the problem rationally rather than harass, doxx, blackmail, rage, block anyone who doesn't agree with you, etc., we get attacked for this all the fucking time. We've heard all the arguments, we've researched all the facts, because the facts are our only defense against the blind outrage we deal with every day. We know what we're talking about, because we have to. We know what we're talking about because we've been given no choice but to arm ourselves with the knowledge to defend ourselves.

If any kink could be "corrected" we wouldn't be having this discussion. If that were possible, would you want to hold onto a kink that got you targeted, harassed, doxxed, blackmailed, and dehumanized? If kinks could be corrected, the furry fandom wouldn't exist, much less cub porn.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

Kinks are like food, there are things in the food that you like which is why you can eat similar things. If what you like in food is sugar, you could only consume sugar but that'd hurt you. So even though people like it, they will not just consume that much sugar or at all. If someone does consume only sugar, we treat it like a medical/mental issue (or atleast try we're pretty bad at that still) I see where you're going with the orientation speak but to me it seems like a way to appropriate the lgbt+ conversation rather than actually dipping into the nuances of human desire. Orientation attraction and kink attraction should not be lumped together. If your identity is to be a furry pedo person, then yes, that needs to be corrected to better your life and others. Excusing it is not helpful or good. Self loathing is also not helpful, that's why you talk to people like therapists and friends to get the help you need. Doing such things alone will end up poorly a lot of the time(not always but that heavily depends on the environment and the person)

My point is not speculation. The main issue here is the fetishization of kids. That's what needs to be address. Cub porn or no cub porn, we need a better way to address such pedo problems. Thus, just allowing cub porn because it can reduce horrible acts that include real children is at the most a bandaid, not a solution. Your "fact" does not address my criticism and just saying "it's a fact" means very little in that regard. I can accept your fact is correct while still saying we need to do better.

It doesn't have to be police resources ya know. There are other agencies and groups in this world. Just having an outlet is not a solution. Input from pedos is something that should happen yes, but if your input is just "let it happen" then I'm going to say most people are not going to stop there for very valid reasons.

I've had a lot of life experience to know that harrasing/doxxing/etc doesn't help much for most people. I'm sorry you have to deal with that however you're dealing with that because the outlet doesn't fix the underlying issues and people will figure out some way to handle that. Sometimes in very destructive ways. If you've researched the facts, then you should also have gone to a health professional about this too, which it sounds like you have not. If you'd like to clarify you have gone to a mental/health professional about these topics/feelings then that would be good for you state now.

I do think people hold onto harmful things because they like it too much yes. Godwins laws blah blah blah, if you sit down and talk with a fascist they have facts, logics, and reasons as to why they are alt-right, white nationalists, etc and they will fight to the death for such things (in their heads at least). If you think a nazi can't change though then you're condemning a lot of people to an awful life. Society does better when we help others so yes, pedos do need real help. Also the fandom would exist without rape, pedophilia, etc. 80s children's cartoons proves that lol. The fandom has kinks because people express their sexuality and sometimes that means expressing kinks. Kinks are not the main focus of the fandom and seeing the fandom only as a kink machine is not healthy. Thus why there was such a divide at the start of the fandom with things like the burn furs.

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

No, you can't just compare kinks to food in that way. That's a false equivalence.

You don't seem interested in "helping", you only seem interested in eradicating fictional content that makes you uncomfortable, and you can't have it both ways. Yes there is fictional content out there that depicts acts that in real life would be abhorrent, but you're completely ignoring the data that shows that the fictional content does not cause, perpetuate, normalize, rationalize, or in any way make worse the actual acts portrayed in them. I get why you don't WANT to believe that is true, but it is.

As for the rest, I've been in the fandom for about 20 years and I've been deeply involved in the cub community for about 12, and I know what I'm talking about. To say that cub porn is a slippery slope is incorrect, and I know this because I have seen the truth first hand. If you were as deeply involved in this community as I am for as long as I've been, trust me, you wouldn't have one word to say about how dangerous cub porn is, because you'd know the people involved, and you'd understand just how ridiculous your claims are. I don't know what else I can say about it.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

Would you like to explain why someone can't compare kinks to food preferences rather than just saying it's a false equivalence?

Like I said before, to be an adult is to figure out how society should run. I would encourage you to look into how loot boxes work and the arguments for/against them to figure out that media and the way it's used does have an effect. What that effect is can be good or bad but ultimately we should encourage better modes of society. One where adults fetishize kids is not good for the kid. Adults have more power and kids are not sexual like a teen/adult is. It's not a disbelief in data, it's an understanding that no piece of data lives in a bubble.

I'm not that deep into the cub community for obvious reasons but I have known some people in the past. Small world and all. I understand it's not always a slippery slope and it can be helpful for certain individuals in good ways. However, like I said before, that is a bandaid to a bigger problem and not addressing it is disingenuous.

Again answer this: "If you'd like to clarify you have gone to a mental/health professional about these topics/feelings then that would be good for you state now."

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

No, I have not gone to a mental health professional, at least not specifically about cub porn, because A, I'm not going to fuck kids, B, I understand that kinks are not harmful, and C, I'M NOT GOING TO FUCK KIDS and I'm pretty damn certain about that.

If someone's going to fuck a kid, or engage in RL child porn, the availability of cub art is just not a factor. There would be absolutely no benefit if it all disappeared, and the facts are on my side in this. If anything, I would speculate that a lack of fictional porn would create a larger demand for the real thing. Just a speculation, but it would fit the pattern, rather than just my personal feelings.

So.. maybe you should be the one explaining why food and kinks are similar enough to be compared in that way, but I'll name a few major differences.
1. If you look at a picture of food, people don't treat it as if you're eating that food
2. As you said, consuming only sugar hurts you, but jerking off to only cub porn doesn't hurt ANYONE
3. Jerking off to porn can satisfy a desire, looking at a picture of food more likely creates a desire

Loot boxes are also a false equivalence. Loot boxes are deliberately designed to exploit people with gambling addiction issues, and thus is directly harming them, as well as actually exploiting children by skirting gambling law to target them. You could argue that an actual photo of child porn exploits/harms the child, but piece of fictional porn doesn't exploit or harm anyone.

Also, you said you've known some friends into cub porn for whom cub porn is not a slippery slope, but then that further begs the question, why do you think the slippery slope is the default? Why do you want to assume the worst about someone before you know them? You're willingly choosing to be wrong about practically everyone involved.

You can choose what foods to eat, and you can choose how to indulge your kinks, but you cannot choose the kinks themselves. A kink is there to stay, and it's going to be there, porn or no. Have you ever gone looking for art of a particular kink even when you've never seen it drawn before? It's not something that you choose to be interested in, and it's not something anyone can MAKE you be interested in, or not be interested in. It just happens. You just try altering your mind to not be interested in furry porn and let me know how that goes.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with indulging fictional content for ANY kink, and you're not going to convince me otherwise by making frequently debunked speculations about people that I know and you don't, or making speculations about my own mind, which, although minds are complicated things, I'm pretty sure I know mine a little better than you do.

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ MystBunny

So you prove my point. Better preventative action would be for you to discuss your fetishization of children with them even if you aren't going to fuck a kid. Freaky even coming close to the discussion of whether or not kid fucking could be involved is a concern in it of itself. So yes, you should see a therapist about these feelings and other people in your community should follow that example. And before you say "what about other kinks/activities/etc", yes, many other things should be discussed as well. A whataboutism is not a good argument.

Your statement "If someone's going to fuck a kid, or engage in RL child porn, the availability of cub art is just not a factor. " would imply that cub porn does not reduce such actions, yes? So the argument that such content reduces crime is inaccurate?
That's a knit picky point but your data was suppose to remove that speculation wasn't it? "Facts don't care about your feelings" is a dumb point to make btw. We're not arguing over a rock because you actually don't have feelings about a random rock. You have feelings about this which is why you will be biased towards defending it as I am biased towards removing it. You're arguing for a bandaid via using child porn. I'm arguing for a better systematic process of dealing with certain tendencies of humans to better their lives and not have the chance of it affecting children. People have been lured in by predators via such porn, so saying that it disappearing will do nothing is inaccurate. More knowledge about online safety, sex education, preventative care for people like you, and the removal of such material would be the best outcome to move towards.

I never said a picture of food. But ya, advertisers of the food industry to think you're going to eat it. Promoting that food on the poster helps their bottom line because it does bring in customers. Dangerous food products have been sold to people because pictures made them seem appealing. This is 101 of advertising.So,
1. A picture of food in an environment that expects you to consume it will lead to people eating said food
2. Anything can hurt anyone. The reason we do things is because they have effects on us, that is the main function of doing anything in life. Saying with the food stuff, clearly you're not just a looker/consumer of food, you're advocating for it too. Even if jerking of to CP was neutral, you are not doing neutral acts outside of it because all media affects us. You're building a community that could have better outlets and allow some people to do harm and give them the tools to encourage it. Even furries get angry at feral art because it depicts realistic anatomy of animals. Drawn CP lovers seem to make excuses like "it's just those bad people, not all of us" rather than "this is how these things can contribute to the bad thing and this is how we stop it". It ok to say the thing you like can be bad, it's wrong to do nothing about it.
3. Looking at porn creates a desire too. If I had never found furry porn I don't think I would have found all the kinks I like because furries are just a lot more open to talking about such topics. Good or bad, it's true.

Am I allowed to bring up the zaush thing where he used a picture of kids in swimsuits to use as a model for his drawings in which his previous art had kid fucking themes (until he had to change the ages for the descriptions of them) while also having clients joking about age fuckablitiy. Cause ima bring that up anyway to point out that even when no child porn is made, people who fetishize children specifically, drawn or not, will use other media to get off, use for reference, etc. Other kink lovers do this too. Heck, people use the animal of their sonas for expressions in pictures. What images mean and their intent of use and deception is art 101. Somewhere in the line, a real child could be exploited for your porn. Again, this is why

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

preventative care is good to have. The chain of exploitation is harder to make or it at the very least is smaller.

I've personally known 2 people into cub. The 1st person is a pretty popular artist and they're not into cub itself, they're into diapers. Diapers are normally associated with kids so put two and two together and you get cub porn focused on diapers. Now that has always begged the question, why not use adults. Is there kid fetishisting tendencies? Not sure about today but when i knew them they just didn't have that sort of environment to do anything bad and had pretty good morals, better than mine at the time actually. So a slippery slope for them would be weird unless they like, only started wearing diapers as their slope because again, they didn't fetishisize age to our knowledge. That fetish did def affect the media they consumed outside of that though. Although even then it moreso proved a point that they just liked the diapers and cute things.

The 2nd person was a manipulative person who harmed many people and no one even knew he was into cub until more recently, because he would hid the child fetish aspect behind the words "they're 18+" but really they were teenager/children. Them being in a community in which it's expected for them to seek a therapist to at least passively talk about these feelings would have greatly helped them beyond the cub stuff. They would be one of the people to have a very slippery slope and would have the environment to attempt it. They may have already done it, who knows.

Knowing of some other cubs, they do not use it in a harmful way mostly. Knowing of some others affected by cub porn negatively, that "not harmful use" does not seem to outweigh those negative aspects.

I understand the underlying reasons for my kinks pretty well so I haven't gone searching for unknown kinks. The closest thing to this would be trying to find combinations of kinks like say tf and chastity which is not drawn that often. Never been like "I really like hyper that I've never seen, let me find hyper" I like hyper because i saw someone draw it and I went "oh, that's a thing, neat"
Politically I've changed a lot and that has changed how I act. I still do some of the shity things I see as being bad but ya over time it gets easier to not have the same feelings I once had. Some of that change happens naturally, some of it takes effort. I will always love food but meat is less and less appealing, even though there are many meat based foods that are nostalgic for me and that have very special meaning to me and use to taste very very good. Human desire is weird but it does change for many reasons. Acting like anything is static is just a weird view to me ngl.

Again, no kink is netural. We live in a time in which it's still possible to get away with pedophilia and child abuse. In which culture still has a problem with discussing such issues. In which mental health is now just starting to be taken seriously but access can still be hard to obtain. Btw I'm not saying you're a bad cub person, I don't know you. I will say you're actions are wrong for trying to advocate for such material to exist without an environment that has outside people check to make sure you're not going off the deep end but ya. How can you know your own mind better than me when it's your mind telling you you know better than me?

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

Are you kidding me? Saying I'm not going to harm a child is freaky to you? I think maybe you need to reexamine your mindset on this entire thing. If the fact that I've never hurt anybody and am never going to hurt anybody then it becomes a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. I'm not going to run to a therapist every time the thought of cub porn pops into my head and doesn't make me want to go out and make it a reality. The kink can't be removed. Period. No amount of therapy is going to change that. I'm comfortable with myself no matter how badly you don't want me to be.

"	Your statement "If someone's going to fuck a kid, or engage in RL child porn, the availability of cub art is just not a factor. " would imply that cub porn does not reduce such actions, yes?

Alright, let me clarify that, then. The data shows that countries that have decriminalized possession have seen a drop in sexual assault cases. While this SEEMS to indicate, and I'm inclined to believe that this is directly related, I can't prove that it is. So more accurately I should say that AT WORST, it's not a factor, but there is a strong possibility that it does reduce it.

You say you're in favor of a better systemic approach, and I would agree, except that your "systemic approach" seems to be "suspect everybody, censor a thing that doesn't cause the problem, and make people not like what they like." You're bordering on thought policing. If someone is in a position where they think they need psychological help, fine, but don't tell me that making an impossible alteration to my mind is going to prevent something that isn't going to happen anyway.

"	Am I allowed to bring up the zaush thing where he used a picture of kids in swimsuits to use as a model for his drawings in which his previous art had kid fucking themes

You could bring that up, and we could have that conversation, but it would be pointless while we're still stuck on the extreme of passing moral judgement for enjoying purely fictional content with no RL implications whatsoever. If I said that furry porn in general is immoral, and you should seek help for enjoying any of it because it creates a community in which bestiality is acceptable, then we'd have to first establish that furry porn in general is not immoral before we could have a legitimate conversation about the rest.

Let's say that we had that conversation and we both determine that using a RL photo as reference to fictional porn is unacceptable. You want to punish everyone for that unacceptable thing Zaush did, so we'd be right back where we started.

When I was a kid, there was a trick-or-treating incident where someone was putting razor blades in apples and giving them to kids. Obviously something had to be done about that. However, we didn't solve the problem by forbidding people to give out apples on Halloween. That would have been overkill and ultimately unnecessary. Instead, a program was immediately put into effect where teachers and parents were educated on how to prevent this from happening, and soon it was common practice to cut up the apples before eating them. That's it! No need to put restrictions on people who were giving out apples without malicious intent, and the problem was solved.

If you want to solve pedophilia, you have to approach it fairly, and forbidding the fictional content is simply not a fair solution. You could quarantine kids away from all adults, and that would prevent sexual assault of children, and it seems that according to your own logic, that would be the right approach since having adults around children could potentially lead to one of them getting abused.

You keep saying that fictional cub porn is a band-aid solution, but if it's doing SOME good, then you shouldn't be focused on taking that away, and instead focus entirely on real, systemic changes that actually work to reduce the likelyhood that an at-risk individual would act on those impulses.

FaceRollNameHere

4 years, 9 months ago

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um... okay? Kinda out of the blue, no? What's your reason behind this post?

Koorivlf

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ FaceRollNameHere

The popular list feature shows many horrors

FaceRollNameHere

4 years, 8 months ago

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@ Koorivlf

oh lol.

MystBunny

4 years, 8 months ago

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"	Human desire is weird but it does change for many reasons. Acting like anything is static is just a weird view to me ngl.

Now I never said that kinks are static. I'm saying that you can't force them to change. You can mask them, you can bottle them up, or maybe they'll fade over time, but you can't simply get rid of them, whether it would make your life easier or not.

"	Again, no kink is netural. We live in a time in which it's still possible to get away with pedophilia and child abuse.

I want to reiterate that abusing a child is an action. A kink can't abuse a child or even make you abuse a child as long as you understand that it's wrong to take that action. If someone doesn't understand that the act of abusing a child is wrong, then yes, they should get help, and if they abuse a child or attempt to, then they should be punished, and then be made to get help.

Yes we do have a problem with discussing pedophilia, because quite often the solutions proposed are draconian, violent, excessive, or in your case, put the focus in the wrong place. I support systemic change in this area, but as long as we keep coming back to harmless things like a simple kink, nothing is going to be accomplished except oppressing a very large group of people without any real progress to show for it.

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