FA Suspension by AvogadroToast < Journal | Inkbunny, the Furry Art Community

5 years, 1 month ago

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You're not one of the elite 10 who can post all the cub porn they want. Sadly, the vast majority of artists have zero say in any dealings on FA but a tiny group can post toddlers by saying "they're of a species that looks like this into adulthood." There is no fairness on that site, sorry. I've know the site founder in years gone by & he has zero fucks to give.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Feryl

"You're not one of the elite 10 who can post all the cub porn they want."
That's the thing! I don't want to post cub porn at all! I follow the rules. The thing I posted wasn't cub at all

FriskyWoods

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Feryl

I was really hoping he was going to get shitcanned by IMVU after he sold the site to them. No dice. That place is nepotism city, and he's the mayor.

Feryl

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ FriskyWoods

I'm not even sure why they kept the site when every furry in the world basically told them to go sit on a sharpened stick. Second Life was bad enough, some faker site pretending they know what furry is is simply vomit-worthy. But I guess they've held on long enough that there's now a new generation of "furries" who think IMVU is the birthplace of furry.

More like the abortion of furry. When someone asks me if I have a IMVU furry character I usually block them immediately. I'm sorry, you came from a world I don't wish to explain away with truth.

aunkown

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Feryl

What happened to Second Life?

PepperOtter

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Feryl

Curious, what's the species? In not on FA a whole lot :3

Todeskiddy

5 years, 1 month ago

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You´re a good cat. You did everything right. Don't let yourself pushed down too much by it.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Todeskiddy

What's got me upset is that I can't tell how to keep following the rules except to post no porn at all! The criteria in the rules is that the character can't have 'a child like body or be under 18', but my art wasn't either of those things. How can I confidently post anything at all?

Todeskiddy

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

did you got a warning for these ones?

Guess they choose it like... "Oh Roger, he draw cubs sometimes, everything he post must be cub porn."

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Todeskiddy

That's the one they banned me over. It's even got underarm hair. I'm not sure what I could have done to make it better. Bigger penis? And no, I didn't get a warning at all. Just a week long suspension and a warning that the next one will be a permaban.

Icestorm

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

wtf , thats an adult . i mean it doesn't even follow the head rule for kids.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Icestorm

That's what I told the appeals person in my appeal, but they don't seem to care. They just said 'The character's age was identified and its appearance was not changed between content.'

Which makes me think that THEY think I posted it somewhere as a cub drawing. Maybe it's the 'boy' tag? I tag all my art with 'male boy female girl' for the same reason I tag my character with 'siamese siamese_cat cat', so that it shows up on any search term. A 'boy' tag doesn't mean he's underaged. It means he's male.

Icestorm

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

RogerButSmaller wrote:

Tinderfox

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

Sorry if it’s late but, at that point you just ask them how the character should be modified to look “adult” enough for them. If they can’t give you a straight answer then they’re bullshit (but it’s FA so we already know that) and you shouldn’t even try to tiptoe because they’ll ban you for whatever anyway apparently.

kitsunelegend

5 years, 1 month ago

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"	What criteria do they use to determine if a character is an adult or isn't, when the artist's work and word isn't enough?

The criteria they use is "whatever the mod feels like at that time". And to be fair, this isn't the first time a mod has gone on an anti-cub power trip over on FA. Almost seems like they just go through submissions every once and a while, and randomly choose pictures that MIGHT be cub, even if the character is clearly not.

Its really fucking shitty, but until Dragoneer gets off his ass and actually implements some decent mods that know what they're doing, theres nothing we can do...

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ kitsunelegend

I would understand if I were banned due to an "anti-cub power trip" but my art wasn't cub. Not even close. It's so tame I feel comfortable posting it to my main twitter.

What REALLY upsets me is that the appeal process is where these things are supposed to get hashed out. It's my chance to say 'No, actually, this isn't cub. As you can see, it isn't a 'child like body' and the character is over 18. I'm the artist.' but they denied my appeal, too.

kitsunelegend

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

It may not seem like an anti-cub power trip, but it is. I've seen it before. Some mod gets it in their head that they can go around and remove any picture they want, and claim it as cub, even if its clearly not. Usually its flat chested women, but sometimes it can even be males who are clearly over 18.

Also, I would never trust the appeals process on FA. Its run by those same mods who have some kind of god complex or something. Whatever they say, goes. Regardless of what the artist says.

Its really shitty, and you didn't do anything wrong at all. Its literally just FA being stupid. If I were you, I would just forgo FA entirely, and just post everything to your twitter and IB instead. And very very rarely post to FA anymore.

TanukiArts

5 years, 1 month ago

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You could have just been unfairly targeted and "punished" for being a known cub artist at all.

FA has some very shitty, power drunk mods.

Fusionxglave

5 years, 1 month ago

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FA will hunt you down and make you follow the rules, even when you follow the rules. They force their morals on you even when they don't follow the moral codes themselves.

It can be super disheartening to receive bad news like this but I just want to tell you that things will be okay, and your characters are magnificent.

I may be paranoid on this, but I think FA is envious on certain artists.

GoldenFlowerBoy

5 years, 1 month ago

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Edited 5 years, 1 month ago by Owner

You're a good boi.

But I'll admit, your not the only who they screwed over lately. Theirs a artist I follow that got suspended for a 2012 picture that the mods said was "cub porn", when it wasn't even that, he doesn't even draw underage characters and when he does, their aged up and he tried to appeal things, but he basically got screwed over like you did.

The mods over at FA are some really shitty people who don't know how to do their job right and actually don't work it out with people. They just always screw people over and then brush them off, when they try to defend themselves.

Ainoko

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ GoldenFlowerBoy

Hell I got a 7 day suspension for a pic I posted back in 2009 that the admins 'assumed' was cub

GoldenFlowerBoy

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Ainoko

Yeah, that stuff shouldn't fly...

Banning somebody over some really old pictures is really poor judgement on their part.

SynnfulTiger

5 years, 1 month ago

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Inkbunnys a nicer frendlier place anyway FA is a shit show in general.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ SynnfulTiger

I don't know.. The comment sections here on IB can be really vitriolic sometimes, compared to FA.

kitsunelegend

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

I've seen 15 times more drama and toxicity over on FA than I have ever seen on IB. Hell I've seen more drama and toxicity on FA than I have on IB and twitter combined! And thats saying something... >.>

starlyte

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

To back up kistune's response: IB is a smaller community so it seems like drama is bigger here. You gotta remember FA has like ten to 100 fold the users IB does. So when drama hits there its localized and gone just as quickly. IB it lingers as theres less so more of us are affected by it. Think about it. FA loses an artist you barely hear about it. IB loses a cub artist and its everywhere.

Tigerfestivals

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

Anywhere furries gather, there will be drama.

Nevon

5 years, 1 month ago

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Firstly.  Good job doing your best to follow the rules and be a good person!

Second.  I dont use FA but everything I hear about it makes it sound like a desolate wasteland with warlords doing as they see fit with the pist apocalyptic world they created

An exaggeration but hearing this.  Just seems like a mod wanted you gone rather than you doing anything wrong.  Q_Q

ChadBull

5 years, 1 month ago

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FA is on a kick right now where they'll base their policies on whatever the top few twitter popufurs want. If the top few are going through a "cub porn is evil" phase, then the FA admins will crack down on it. Of course if you're one of the most popular artists then they're willing to bend the rules. Remember how this time last year it was the "All Republicans are Evil" phase and any characters in a MAGA hat or wearing a military uniform that looked even remotely like a Nazi (even uniforms from Allied nations) were banned?

BrokenPupper

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ ChadBull

None of us care about reactionary diatribe, take it elsewhere. :3

EroKord

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ BrokenPupper

wut?

Maou

5 years, 1 month ago

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Roger, you sick kitty! You know you're not allowed to draw small or average-sized dicks on FA! Modify this image to have him at LEAST 8" flaccid or else! You know only CHILDREN have dicks that size in THIS furry community!

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Maou

Gosh, I know right? His dick isn't even that small. It's totally human-normal. He even has underarm hair.
I'll admit his head is sorta big, but so are fursuits.

Ainoko

5 years, 1 month ago

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Lavender pic?

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Ainoko

Mhm. https://inkbunny.net/s/1724222

PrinceEden

5 years, 1 month ago

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Maybe Height, and facial age?

TheLastGasp

5 years, 1 month ago

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I'm assumin it's cause it doesn't have a dog or horse dick *hide*

Yeah. Been kinda torn on where to post stuff. Thankfully writing gets like no scrutiny *mwuhaha*

But yeah. I don't see it. At worse i could see a "hey this looks ambiguous, please clarify in description"

A little amazed my lil flatchested mascot hasn't gotten flagged

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ TheLastGasp

I would have loved for them to send me a warning and tell me to clarify. Or, second best, to accept my intent on appeal and let me repost with a better description.

BrokenPupper

5 years, 1 month ago

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Exactly who was the admin that did this anyway? It can't be that easy for someone to look at the cub smut outside from here and deem all of your work as cub smut.

I can tell something's up.

Ainoko

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ BrokenPupper

The admins use a no name account to institute bans and suspensions BEFORE noting you about it

ScottySkunk

5 years, 1 month ago

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You can post sleek males or flat females safely unless its sfw or femboy. And even then they may get it wrong. And dont care. I dont use furaffinity as much as i used too.

EvanSKVRL

5 years, 1 month ago

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If it's the pic in your gallery here from 4.5 months ago, you have it labeled as cub, and they've made cub calls based on IB posts before. That's right, FA checks your shit on IB to see if they can use it against you.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ EvanSKVRL

I would love for you to show me where I have it labeled as cub
https://imgur.com/5J3KS0x

EvanSKVRL

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

Apparently you were referring to a different image. When I did a gallery search for "lavender", the only one that came up was this one: https://inkbunny.net/s/1722979

Sorry for the confusion.

IsabelleUrsaga

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ EvanSKVRL

Its this one. https://inkbunny.net/s/1724222
It isn't labelled as cub. Anywhere. It isn't intended to *be* cub. But because its a character with a slightly larger than normal head who is sometimes drawn as a cub, its automatically always a cub, right?

EvanSKVRL

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ IsabelleUrsaga

Different image, please see above reply to Roger.

JustLurking

5 years, 1 month ago

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You can't win against someone who is determined to see you as a ‘rule-breaker/trouble-maker’. There will be no arguments made in good faith, only excuses provided that justify the decisions they have already made.

Try not to let these kind of people get you down. There are other, healthier, platforms online.

Th0r0n678

5 years, 1 month ago

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Honestly FA mods are just fucking dumbasses... I've had my own issues with them in the past, I stopped posting NSFW art on there because I want to avoid further trouble. I totally understand that this might be a hard (or impossible even) step for you to take, though. Their actions in this case were entirely unjustified and simply incorrect! You're far from being the only one affected by this, btw, another (big-ish) artist I follow on here had the same thing happen to them, being suspended for something that was never even intended to be considered cub porn...
It really is a tough situation, FA being absolutely non-transparent about what you're allowed to upload and inkbunny being... Well, creepy and discomforting in the comment section sometimes...
I really hope this mess gets sorted out, Roger! Stay awesome, okay~

mrpandragon

5 years, 1 month ago

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The criteria to determine if a character is an adult or not is whether or not you're sucking the admins' cocks, and that you don't post anything "incriminating" anywhere else.

Because they toooootally don't ban for off-site activity. Nope. >3>

Ravi

5 years, 1 month ago

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You didn't deserve that. I'm sorry you got banned (was it a perma ban or suspension?). I don't have much history or knowledge of how often FA does this kind of stuff but you literally didn't do anything wrong.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Ravi

Just a suspension. It's actually over, now; just ended a few minutes ago. It was for 7 days. But it also means the next offense will be a perma-ban, and because this offense wasn't intended, how could I possibly prevent the next one, except by not posting anything?

Ravi

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

I wish I had a decent answer to give.

If I had to give *anything*, trying to lay low and stay off any radar's over there. Maybe only do small art dumps over there every once in a while (if you mainly use FA). I'm sorry you had to go through that.

RiskItForTheBiscuit

5 years, 1 month ago

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What criteria do they use? Strictly none. FA is a major scam, and the admins have been well known to be incompetent and extremely scummy at the same time.

This includes lying about hardware prices, lying about donations to the site, simulating DDOSes to get money, not banning the people they like, trying to cover up (alleged) rape stories because the concerned person is an artist that's doing commissions for 'neer, and so on.

There is no way to fix this, people just don't want to leave FA, some even get stupid enough to defend the site.

Roop

5 years, 1 month ago

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they did the same thing to me, and kept the suspension even after I showed them that the artist of the pic I submitted said it wasn't cub, I showed them that the person who reported the image said it was a mistake, and plenty of other evidence. some admins there just straight up don't give a shit about their site's artists if they -have- an InkBunny account that they use for cub stuff

ezalias

5 years, 1 month ago

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FA is a terrible website run by terrible people.

I had an image removed that was just a headshot of one character. The rules cited for this were completely made-up.

One time I reported an image and it took them a year to do nothing about it. An entire calendar year. Receiving that response was worse than silence.

One artist blocked me... like seven years ago? for asking her to stop re-posting the same "hey I'm streaming" image every single day, back before that bullshit become an unstoppable flood. She changed accounts and FA won't let me watch that account. I am not allowed to be aware of art. That's better than Twitter's bullshit where they try to hide information that signed-out randos can see... but still, what the fuck?

Nevermind the bastards forced us to delete all our cub shit. It wasn't enough to declare a major change with zero retention of stuff that was allowed at the time - they couldn't even erase content themselves. You had to do it, and it had to be their inscrutable standards.

No surprise they're still broken.

Chelsea

5 years, 1 month ago

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meanwhile Letho get away wiith everything, andhis art look a lot more cub than yours

Neos8

5 years, 1 month ago

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Sorry to hear that they didn't appeal the case. That is pretty shitty and for them to not use common sense to tell the difference.

Smolfoks

5 years, 1 month ago

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FA is a shitty site run by shitty people. I wouldnt let it bother you too much tbh.

pentrep

5 years, 1 month ago

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The risk of cub porn is very real for many. This site is a haven for those who enjoy it but still at a risk. FA doesn't want to deal with the drama so I'm sure you can understand their dilemma.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ pentrep

I would understand their dilemma if I had posted cub porn over there.

I have not. There is, therefore, no dilemma.

pentrep

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

Yeah, I understand. They complain about nothing usually.

SoggyGoat

5 years, 1 month ago

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I know it's a popular site but FA is a broken dumpster fire run by idiots so... Still, sucks that you got suspended. :/

Brandynskittlefox

5 years, 1 month ago

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Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. The admins of FA are a bunch judgmental morons at best (that's putting it lightly). Please keep making your awesome art and being you!

Alfador

5 years, 1 month ago

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This is why I haven't posted anything to FA in years. I keep my account for watching and occasional commenting. Can't ban me for posting cub if I don't post anything.

lucashoal

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ Alfador

Like you comment at me =p

Kalibran

5 years, 1 month ago

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FA is a wretched hive of double standards and an ugly interface

thecooler

5 years, 1 month ago

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Been there, got the t-shirt, and welcome to the club
still got and upload stuff there tho, you just have to do
as I always say, keep it up and keep it kool

WaltzNerdOtty

5 years, 1 month ago

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I'd hardly consider the pic a teen, left alone a cub, I mean even an untrained observant can clearly see the proportions are not of a kid. You did everything good, but has said multiple times on this comment section, FA staff is just fucking awful at both role and being decent human beings.

ZekLullaby

5 years, 1 month ago

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I just stop uploading there and I never felt better and more confident about my art. You don't need them but they need all of us. I just hope the site to get fixed or slowly die.

CodyFox

5 years, 1 month ago

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Give him a big dick and problem solved. It's sad to say but that's the truth. And I LOVE big dicked characters lol. But yea, FA mods are going to be biased against small dicks, I guarantee it. They'll use that as the excuse to say it's cub.

AvogadroToast

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ CodyFox

According to their email, they said 'the age of the character was identified and its appearance was not changed between content' which means they're saying they identified the age based on another place I posted it. So, Inkbunny keywords I'm guessing.
Except it was never tagged with 'cub' here on Inkbunny, because it was never intended to be cub. It WAS tagged with the 'boy' keyword, and maybe that's why they think it's cub? But that's an identifier for gender identity, not for age. Very frustrating.

kitsunelegend

5 years, 1 month ago

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@ AvogadroToast

They probably used other pics where it WAS intended as cub, and then based it off of that. Its extra fucking shitty, but thats FA mods for you...

Zamiake

5 years ago

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Im pretty sure they will auto identify you as a cub artist. id dump them. fa is a trash heep any way

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