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Please tag your cub [short repetitive rant]

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Please tag your cub
Please tag your cub
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It's EASY
it's LITERALLY THREE LETTERS LONG
THREE
LETTERS
LONG

TAG IT

I don't want to have to leave this site
but just having the thumbnails in my browsing history could get me into trouble (not counting the awkward situations brought by browsing the site around people who don't mind seeing porn but will still ask "why is there a kid having sex in that picture?")
I KNOW
I KNOWWWW
I've made this SAME JOURNAL more than once
But
for fucks sake

[Edit just in case]
This isn't directed to mistakes/typos but to people who just .... don't tag it at all

[Edit 2]
Honestly people who are real invested in defending people who don't tag/tell me to deal with it kinda worry me.
If this journal was about scat or gore or vomit I'm sure no one would react the same as some people did on here.
Tagging is simple.
Refusing to tag is being an asshole.
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Added: 2 weeks, 1 day ago
 
SebastianTheRoo
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Hehe cute
InquFox
2 weeks, 1 day ago
People not tagging things is just part of the art community...
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
there are sensitive topics that SHOULD be tagged.
If people aren't too lazy to click on the little "N/A" box, they're not too lazy to write a 3 letters word in one of the boxes.
Harleking
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Sometimes it happens they forgot.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeah my journal already says that
InquFox
2 weeks, 1 day ago
one click is easier then three letters just a heads up...
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Takes about the same time honestly
kitsunelegend
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I think they need to make it where adding tags to your pics are like, necessary to even being able to post the picture at all. A lot of people on FA are really bad at this.

I hate forcing people to do things, but like, the whole reason tags exist on this site is to help find artists, and also let people block tags they dont want to see.

And you're right, its NOT hard, but at the same time, I guess some people are just far too lazy. =I
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeaaaah like.. not tagging kind of ruins the purpose of being able to find or not see things.
And tbh I really wish IB, since it allows it, would add a box to tick if the submission contains cub content.
seeing as it's kind of "know" for it, and that it's one of the main reason a lot of people will avoid the site, it doesn't help the reputation of the place when even when adding the tag and multiple variations of it doesn't prevent users to see the stuff...
Keeran
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Biggest problem is when I see it Not tagged as "cub" and tag suggestions are blocked.

Also, you might want to add "loli" or "shota" or "kemololi" or "kemoshota" to your blocklist too.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeah that's when it's the worst tbh.
I've added all of those I think! Usually if I see it it's because nothing is tagged. Still glad for the "suggest keywords" function tho
Harleking
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Downside, ya even see no sfw-cub-art..
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
the blacklist system allows to decide if the blacklisted word applies to only mature and/or adult rated things
Harleking
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Ah ok. Didn't notice that point. Thanks :3
Anri
2 weeks ago
Ooh that's actually good to know. I'll still keep using multiple tags to try to hide it from people who Do Not Want though. :3
BreakingCloud
2 weeks, 1 day ago
A good Inkbunny feature would be where a tag is REQUIRED to list it as cub or not. "Does this picture involve sexualized cubs in any way? 'Yes' 'No'" because I agree, it bothers me when people don't tag their shit and I have to see it.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeaah
I mean, there's already is a box for violent content, too, which is an other touchy subject for many, so why not that?
Kadm
2 weeks, 1 day ago
If you see a person not tagging things that should be tagged according to the keyword policy, please reach out to us via the Support Ticket system with links and we'll take care of it. That's why we have a Keyword Policy :)

https://wiki.inkbunny.net/wiki/Keyword_Policy
Keeran
2 weeks, 1 day ago
This. It's what I do when I see someone post NSFW cub art  and they block keyword suggestions.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I add the tags when possible, but it seems like it's been happening more often lately, and with some specific artists, but I'll be honest I'm a bit wary of contacting the admins/mods about trouble because of responses I've received before...
Kadm
2 weeks, 1 day ago
If people are repeatedly violating policy then it needs to be addressed. I can't speak to your past experience, but I believe that a Support response carries more weight than a journal asking someone nicely, especially if they're a habitual offender. Regardless of your feelings towards us, we're here to enforce the policies that make up the site.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Thanks. I'll probably try filling in a report when I'm like
more awake and able to formulate stuff correctly
Kadm
2 weeks, 1 day ago
At the end of the day, those of us involved in helping to run the site generally have the best of intentions. If you've had issues, I'm generally pretty open to engaging to have a look at things, and offer clarification where we can. We want folks to be able to use the site, and part of that is people being able to avoid things they don't want to see. I've got some ideas going forward to help with that, but new stuff takes time.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
The past issues were more of a personal thing, and not exactly things related to the rules of the site (would rather not mention it) so I mean.. I guess it'd be worth it for that
xBlazex
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Meanwhile over on FA, there's no blacklist/whitelist system at all so I end up being forced to see thumbnails of scat art or whatever that I would REALLY rather not. Bah.

But yes, the tag system here is quite robust and should absolutely be utilized.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeaaaaaaaah honestly I rarely browse FA at all bc of that
NekoVeil
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I also wish there was a way to tag pages for additional tags separate from the submission itself. Like where there's a page for a watersports version and a page for a scat version. I don't want to see those but I still want to see the clothed and nude versions.
Vladimir
2 weeks, 1 day ago
but what if the characters are chibis?
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Then they're chibi.
StrangeBreed
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Some fine detective work...
Keeran
2 weeks, 1 day ago
It's elementary, my dear Watson. *smokes pipe full of bubbles*
QueenKami
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I have to keep myself from making this journal. I know I'd get boo'd for saying it but it's like if someone doesn't like bestiality and people are just throwing that all over without tags??

I add them when I can-especially to ones that have "Cub" on the thumbnail, but others I'm not so sure about tbh. I try to do some "research" on the characters but I think a tick for "cub" art could be a little good? At least for sexual situations because I know people do forget and there's a couple language barriers here and there that may make it awkward.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeah
a little "yes/no" thinger for "does this picture contain underage characters in mature/adult situations?" would be so great
and if it was a required thing, even better
Keeran
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I had to report someone a long time ago because they reposted an Aogami pic and even used the thumbnail that said "cub" on it. When I tried to  suggest it on the eyword, the blocked it, and a lot of us  complained to the poster about it. Eventually  I took it up to the mods and they  forced the tag on the list.

I think that it's important  that people respect the site and tag appropriately as not everyone may like what you like and  you gotta respect that.
QueenKami
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I've always been on the side of "tagging helps you AND people using blacklists."

If you tag horse on a pic with a horse people can find it easily with the tag and people who don't like horses can block it. Not adding the "cub" tag is a pain for a lot of people involved, be you be the artist or the people who don't feel like seeing it lmao
Keeran
2 weeks, 1 day ago
yeah, certain artists I have somewhat of a problem with in general when they don't tag stuff in general. Like "anal" for example. I've been told by some people they have it blocked, and when there are artists who have submissions with it and don't tag it as such,  it rustles their jimmies about it when they find tag suggestions are off.
QueenKami
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I understand the rustles lmao

I don't care to see stuff like watersports but when someone tags like... "Male" "female" "cat" and that's it but there's like bodily fluids and everything there its like ?? How did you not
StrangeBreed
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I agree with this message whole heartily. Everyone has the right to enjoy what they do and not have to see what they don't. If people are ignoring the tags because they are on some high horse they should honestly quit this site. No one is special, no one has the need to act high and mighty about their fetish. Tag your shit, whatever your shit is
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
👍
DireKyre
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Everyone should tag everything. Whatever your content is, tag it. Like... shit it's not that hard, and the tag system helps people not to see things they don't want to see or things that make them uncomfortable.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
True
I mean
At least for Mature or Adult rated stuff
DireKyre
2 weeks ago
Naturally, if it's tame it's not as important.
Shello
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Tag yoir stuff in general.
xpanther
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Tag! You're it!
AxleFurret
2 weeks, 1 day ago
That's what the community tagging suggestion space is for.

I still run into people that forget to tag something as simple as male and female... Or there are the people that try to be "cute" with tags.

All we can do is tag the stuff when we see it, many art sites don't give you that option.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Forgetting the sex and/or gender tags is kinda weird to me. Like
It's literally the first suggested thing to tag
Selene
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah tagging is important
dmfalk
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Much like drivers who refuse to use the turn signal lights when they're about to turn..... :P

d.m.f.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
This is an oddly accurate comparison
Otlan
2 weeks ago
Don't EVEN get me started on that -_- ...
Floofy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I is sorry D:

Just double checked, I missed like 7 in my last art flood D:
Really wishing they could add default tags for your account!
Pumapaws
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Most of the stuff I post has 20 to 25 tags in it.  I can't remember if I am one of those offenders or not.  If I were, it wasn't intentional.  Though with how the crack down with NSFW on the rest of the web and Inkbunny being just about the only furry art community that still allows cubs, it is the culture here.   Leading to my point of I wont be surprised if this place shuts down cubs all together anyways.
Floofy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Too many tags is something I've found kinda odd.

I mean, if there's a bunch of thing going on sure, but character names and usernames are just weird to tag.
Usernames especially, since users can get them changed and only mentions will get updated but not tags.
Pumapaws
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Artist names are great for when an a particular artist dosn't upload art but lets the person upload it them selves so you can look for all that artist art.  Character name for if I only like one of your characters and don't care for seeing the reptile character a profile has.

So characters names are more useful then the artist name though as a artist name may change a few times.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Oh yeah I totally forgot about the blocking by artists thing
It's real neat
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Default tagging would be incredibly useful! That or like.. Tag packs that you could save and select would save time, and help with mistakes and typos a lot
Floofy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah

Like Floofy-chain pack: Female, cat, kitten, cub
Then I'd add other stuff that's in the pic ^n.n^
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
honestly that'd save so much time!
Kadm
2 weeks ago
I actually kind of like this idea. We've been kicking around an artist attribution idea for a few years, which recently lead to me thinking it would be nifty if we could do character attribution and tie it to character sheets. No promises on timeline, because there's a million other things we need to do, but this could be an interesting project in the future.
Kitani
1 week, 6 days ago
I second the interest in a customizable "tag set" that we can save and use in the future. Maybe the ability to make a few different saved sets, or even make it a function of the character sheets as mentioned. I would LOVE that feature.

(Also, HI KADM! <3 )

~ Kit
Rathfoks
2 weeks, 1 day ago
You could make an alt account for browsing non cub that has the tag blacklisted maybe? Idk. People suck at tagging, so this is gonna be a lost battle every time
Floofy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
The [saucy] (probably) does have it blacklisted, hence the rant about making sure they're tagged
Rathfoks
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I get it, trust me. I wish people would tag scat art every time, because i want to slap somebody every time one of the untagged thumbnails slips by into view. It is unfortunately a losing battle in every aspect regarding this topic, since it relies on nothing more than people being mindful/not lazy, and there are no actual repercussions for not doing it properly.

Inkbunny is going to have untagged cub, furry sites are going to have untagged scat art, and theres not much you, I, or anyone for that matter can do about it sadly.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah I already have it tagged. The main problem is that scat, while not my thing either (as well as more content that I've got blacklisted), isn't illegal here.
Deepdark
2 weeks, 1 day ago
How about instead of expecting everyone else to change their habits, how about you dont have this site up when your around people. Or perhaps dont feel like you are responsible for other people.

If someone says "Why is there a kid naked in that picture" You just say. "I know.. its unavoidable in this fandom, you just have to ignore them."

Of course I wish people would tag everything. But I also live in the real world where people dont live by my rules.
Chucky
2 weeks, 1 day ago
This!^^ The furry fandom has been around long enough that we know what we're getting in to. I assume I'm going to see anything and everything on any furry site and view accordingly.
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
"Regular" furry porn and cub porn really aren't the same. There's a reason why inkbunny is the only place that will allow it
devacy
2 weeks ago
The reason why Inkbunny allows it is because it is art not pornography. It wasn't taken with a camera it was hand drawn whether it is digital or not. Most animals mature to a mating age faster than humans, it isn't unrealistic to see it portrayed. Furthermore these aren't "kids" they are characters who are young in appearance and the person or people behind the characters and art are adults. As far as other sites not allowing it, they are prude and cowardly to censor art just because someone wants to whine about the subject matter and they are too scared to actually understand the lettering of the law. Fact of the matter is it isn't illegal as long as no ACTUAL child is involved in any way at any level. No matter how much you want it to be, cub art is not child porn or pedophilia any more than furry art in general has to be bestiality, it just isn't.

As far as the tag goes, sure tags should be used so people can filter stuff out that they don't like to look at. Fact of the matter is however it isn't everyone else's responsibility, especially on a mature site, to babyproof their art for anyone else. Be a mature adult; if you click on something that you turn out to not like, don't bitch about it and just leave the page to go look at something else; it is literally that simple. You should know especially by your own comment that Inkbunny IS the site where this art subject will be, if you don't ever want to see it go somewhere else... otherwise you have to accept the fact that you may on occasion or even frequently see something you don't want to see.

Deal with it like an adult, not with a tantrum like the cubs you condemn. This is YOUR hang up, not theirs. You start censoring art and music and words, then you start to censor ideas and thought crime, then basic actions become illegal. That is how it always plays out, that is why we have freedom of expression. People are going to have different ideas and preferences, you might like them all but that is life. You CANNOT control others, so stop trying to and instead take steps you can control like which sites you go to and who you watch. Minimize  your own risk of seeing something you don't wish to.

Scat, cub, etc it isn't illegal because there is no need for it to be. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you get to make it illegal. I don't like tattoos and piercings, my mate has both and that is perfectly fine. No one forces you to look at the stuff, they just don't. You aren't stuck on any page and have to look either, you can leave the instant you can clarify it isn't to your taste. Instead people want to bitch about it in the comments of the page... only prolonging how long they look at something. Stop it, grow up.

The turn signal comparison... not it isn't the same. In one situation you have to go to the store to have food for the family, you have to go to work to afford that food. The turn signal is for safety of yourself and others so they can understand what is going on around them on the road. It is physical. Art on the other hand is logical, it isn't a physical threat in any way.

Lets clarify a problem with tagging too while we are at it. I bet you want everything tagged, every gender, every kink, maybe even every species of animal. Huh sounds like we are getting racist in here. Wait, that isn't ALL the tags though, we can tag color... and we can be more specific, we can tag red hair and black fur, and green stripes. To put in EVERY tag would take a long time and when you think you are done, I am sure someone can find one you missed. Then we get political and back to the racism aspect. There is a reason why labels and tags are a political problem. They are divisive, they are used to manipulate others, they allow for groups or individuals to be targeted for discrimination just like you are using it here whether you think that is what you are doing or not. It may not be your intent, but the damage is all the same. To bind one is bind us all.
Saucy
2 weeks ago
Cub porn IS illegal in Canada.
Any representation of a child (or teen or any age younger than 18), real or not, in a sexual situation is coincided child pornography.
The law here DOES apply to drawn stuff.
devacy
2 weeks ago
The key term is child. That is a dog...  or a fox, or a w/e. Accidentally clicking on something and thumbnails aren't enough to signify intent. Anyone can create a masked link to something unsavory or potentially illegal. Leave the page as soon as possible and don't save anything from the page. It again is that simple. Again if anything what you are equating furry art to is bestiality in general. They have very little to no real grounds to actually act upon furry art not involving humans... I wonder why inkbunny doesn't allow human depictions... they understand the actual legality here.
Saucy
2 weeks ago
If the character who is a dog also has the body of a child, it's still considered cp, and it's still illegal here.
From what I know Inkbunny allows it and not human characters bc their payment processing service allows one but not the other, and I'm pretty sure server location is also an other factor.
Kadm
2 weeks ago
We don't have a payment processor anymore, strictly speaking. Inkbunny is completely run on donations, and actually registered for tax purposes as a non-profit. There's less legal ambiguity around things that strictly speaking cannot exist, in most countries.
Saucy
2 weeks ago
Ahh I didn't know about that
must be old info then
LilyBird
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I'm guilty of forgetting to add the tag some times but theres always ppl suggesting it almost instantly, I mean I understand why it could bother you, there are many things untagged that I dont want to see, still tho, if your problem is that others see it in your history some how, you can always check in your browser to delete certain things after you close it, I mean just for security reason I set my firefox to basicaly reset itself every time I close it so no passwords or cookies or anything can be extracted from it. Just a suggestiong :P
Saucy
2 weeks, 1 day ago
it's more of a legal thing
like
can't get into trouble really if it's viewing without intent of viewing, and it's really about owning(like saving to the computer/phone/etc...) that could get me in trouble with the law.
:'D I really don't want to have to pay fines or face jail time bc of that
LilyBird
2 weeks ago
Then even more so, I would suggest you to look into how to set your browser to delete everything after its closed o3o
Saucy
2 weeks ago
yeah I try and delete my history when I think about it
Otlan
2 weeks ago
I can understand if it's just being forgetful, especially if it's late at night and your brain is trying to shut down. But if your willfully not tagging your art, that's just being a dick. Tag your art. It's fairly simple, not that hard and dosn't require a lot of brain power. They should make it so that you can't post with out the proper tags.

What really drives me nuts though is when artist combine pics together, mostly because it winds up there's stuff in there you want to see and also stuff you don't want to see, so then if you have blocked tags that are in on that Tag list, you can see the whole post.
Saucy
2 weeks ago
pretty much yeah

And yeah I don't often post like... sketch dumps or whatever, but I try and make upload by batch of related things (and separate sfw and nsfw)
Otlan
2 weeks ago
The only question is, how would you put something like that in place?

God bless you then, I wish more artist had your work ethics.
Saucy
2 weeks ago
Honestly no idea...
Keyword bundles are something that was brought up, and I think it might help a lot
maybe suggestions underneath the boxes?
Otlan
1 week, 5 days ago
Hmmm, possibly. It'd be halpful if there was a way to scan and analyze the picture, then have the tags filled in automatically. Would help streamline the whole process.
Saucy
1 week, 5 days ago
it'd be pretty neat, but stuff like art styles and character colours/markings might confuse the AI
see: tumblr AI marking a lot of SFW things as NSFW
Otlan
1 week, 5 days ago
Mmmm, good point -_- . The Tech is there and the sciaence seems sound, it just needs tweaking.
MeganBryar
2 weeks ago
I really don't understand why so many people seem to have such an aversion to tagging. It only takes a minute or so and it helps people find you, or avoid things they don't want to see. Honestly, it just seems to me to be the courteous thing to do. You don't even have to sit there and exhaustively catalog every little detail. A few key words are more than enough.

Then again, I actually kind of enjoy it. What do I know?
Saucy
2 weeks ago
I think just following the thinger when submitting is usually good enough
The gender of the character if applicable
The species
The kinks or themes
that should be good enough imo, and really not all that long to tag!
MeganBryar
2 weeks ago
That's pretty much what I do, yeah, and it takes no time at all. I spend much longer trying to think of a good title for a submission than I ever do writing the keywords and relevant information.
Saucy
2 weeks ago
God thinking about titles is the worst fdsggfsd I always end up trying to make some kind of pun/play on word/joke
InquFox
2 weeks ago
If you're a super human Hahaha, look im not defending not tagging things, especially things like cub, but the fact of the matter is, there is 2-3 times more effort and time into tagging just one word then just clicking N/A Seriously i checked. Did it take me that long? No not at all, maybe a second and a half, but it only took me 1/2 a second or less to click the N/A box and scroll down and what i've learned is there are more lazy people then active people and 9/10 people will take the easy route then the hard one. Personally i think the N/A box should be removed, and the kink/keywords be mandatory that way they couldnt upload with out tagging, SF does the two key word minimum rule. Idk its just my thoughts on the matter
InquFox
2 weeks ago
okay IB, just not reply the the comment i wanted to... -w-
Saucy
2 weeks ago
Yeah I do believe it should be removed for the kink/theme box. For gender/species it'd be harder bc... lets say you're showing a background that you've drawn, there isn't much gender or species going on! But requiring the other one would be good.
If only for people to type "sfw" in it or something if it's sfw
InquFox
2 weeks ago
Yeah i can agree on that point
NekoStar
2 weeks ago
Honestly, I get where you're coming from. However, browsing the site in safe mode is a step you yourself could take, that is also quite easy to do. Especially when others are over your shoulder or something. Secondly, tagging submissions is more to help people find a specific type of thing via keyword. It is not mandatory, nor does it make you an asshole if you don't tag your art.
Ideally, you SHOULD tag your art appropriately for many reasons, but I disagree with the standpoint that you HAVE to tag your art.

It's much easier to change your own browsing habits/settings than to change an entire community's tagging habits.
Again, i'm not 100% disagreeing with you, but not 100% agreeing either. I just wanted to speak my opinion, and I hope it doesn't bother you that I have said my piece.

I hope whatever comes of this, that in the end your experiences with the site only improve in the future. ^^
Saucy
2 weeks ago
Tagging SHOULD be mandatory for an enjoyable experience for every user

I want to see lewds too. Me drawing and looking at porn is something all of my friends are aware of, and I just don't browse at all if I'm around people who aren't comfortable with it. I shouldn't have to witness things I have blacklisted because someone can't be bothered to care about other users.
Again, this is about purposefully omitting tags, not about forgetting ones or having a typo in it. Mistakes happen. Not tagging is still being unfair to other users.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
I get where you're coming from, I do. I'm a straight male in the anthro community, what do you think I see 80% of the time? Lotsa dong. Am I into it? Nope. Do I like seeing it? Not unless it's penetrating a female (not that there's anything wrong with anything else, but hey we all have our sexualities and preferences.)

However, using the example someone else here in these comments brought up: People SHOULD always use their turn signal. People SHOULD treat others with respect. People SHOULD not make a mess in a public restroom. There's plenty of things people SHOULD do that would make life better for everyone, but that doesn't mean they're going to do it, and in THIS particular case, there's no rule or law saying that they should tag their artwork, properly or improperly.  
  
We want people to be considerate. Not just in tagging, but in all facets of life... But that doesn't mean they will be. Your choice here is to either complain every single time you see something you don't like because someone didn't tag it properly, or to find ways around it, or find a way to live with it. :/
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
Did you seriously compare being straight to enjoying porn of underage characters?
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
Scat, Diaper, Inflation, Vore. I can use any of these fetishes if you would prefer. I don't like any of them, and yet you can't do a google image search without seeing some character as robust as a small planetoid.
My point was that MY preferences don't exactly make the rules, same as yours don't. You don't want to see something, and I get that. However, yelling at people to fix their habits won't get the results you want, no matter how much you want it.

(I like that the rest of my comment went ignored.)
Again, yelling at the world to use their turn signal won't make everyone do it. As much as I wish it would.
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
" Honestly people who are real invested in defending people who don't tag/tell me to deal with it kinda worry me.
If this journal was about scat or gore or vomit I'm sure no one would react the same as some people did on here.
Tagging is simple.
Refusing to tag is being an asshole
Kadm
1 week, 6 days ago
Actually, it's not something they need to live with :) It's something people are required to do to use Inkbunny. Failure to do so can result in suspension of submission privileges or being banned from the site.

https://wiki.inkbunny.net/wiki/Keyword_Policy
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
Wasn't addressing you, but sure, i'll play along. In the link you posted, there is no mention of 'NOT using keywords' getting you in any trouble. Abusing the keyword system for things like harassment, yes.

Other than that, they are just stating what I did in my first comment, that keywords are helpful for the artist to get their works found easier, and for others to find their works easier. It's a win-win. I'm not arguing for ppl to NOT use keywords. I use keywords cuz I want to reach the right searches. I'm saying if someone uploads something, and doesn't want to put ANY keywords, (besides the required minimum) they shouldn't be punished for it, and there's nothing in this link that says they will be.

In fact, there is a part that CLEARLY states that the minimum is fine, and you don't NEED to do more than that: "You are not obliged to add more than the above described minimum keywords to your submissions but we suggest adding as many as you sensibly can if you have time to do so."

As a mod, I would expect you to know the actual terms of the site you moderate.
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
It clearly says this under the "minimum required keywords" tho

" Keywords describing the essential themes portrayed in the submission. Eg: macro, inflation, cub.
It is especially important that you add keywords describing themes that you think users would commonly use to find your submission or what they might commonly wish to avoid seeing.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
"Essential themes." What's essential to you and me, and what's essential to the person uploading these 'offending works?' Where is the link to the wiki that defines this? What's the 'minimum' in regards to this?

This only raises MORE questions than supplies answers.
To be clear in case it wasn't, (to you and anyone reading our convo) though I have stated it many times, I am not arguing that people SHOULDN'T tag properly. They should. I do. But I disagree with them being penalized for not tagging something they didn't think NEEDED to be tagged as such. "Hey how come you didn't tag that your work had someone with a mohawk. They clearly have a mohawk and I hate mohawks. I have them blacklisted and you never keyworded it. I'm going to report you."
(Now before I get another "Cub =/= hairstyle" comment, don't take the comparison literally, it's an example.)

I don't think the above example is fair to the artist who drew the... mohawk... character... Do you? They didn't tag the mohawk cuz they didn't think it was 'essential,' and up til now, no one has complained to them. They've been on this site for years, now all of a sudden they're being reported or possibly banned? They thought this site was different from FA, and they could post mohawks here without a problem! :C
Kadm
1 week, 6 days ago
When we look at what is considered essential, we look at the number of submissions that contain a tag, the number of users blocking that tag, and the likelihood that users will block the tag in the future.

This is generally a pretty common sense sort of thing, and we don't go around banning people for the first instance of anything. In fact, in most instances, the first contact isn't even a warning, in the traditional sense, but rather educating the user on their obligation. If a negative behavior continues, then we take further action.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
So... then as I said in the other reply to you, if this is handled this way, why does Saucy feel the need to write a journal like this? Personally i've never had these types of isses. Maybe my skin's a bit tougher or I don't make it a habit to browse a site containing porn/cub when i'm in public...

It seems like band-aids are being used for a problem that's being made out to be... bigger than that? I'm not the one with the problem here, honestly. Was just giving my two cents, and telling Saucy that, though I get where they are coming from, I disagree with the 'call to arms.' approach, expecting everyone around you to change to make YOUR quality of life better for YOUR browsing habits.
Kadm
1 week, 6 days ago
If it's a band-aid, it's a seven year old band-aid. The policy has been exactly as it exists since 2012. I think we see this sort of journal because a lot of people don't realize we're not omniscient. We can't know about rule violations that don't come to our attention. When reported, we act on them and correct the situation.

I think the journal is also a personal expression of frustration. I appreciate when people report things. It gives us an opportunity to make the site better for folks, either by correcting a problem, or removing a habitual offender.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
Well sure, a problem needs to be reported, and that's what you guys and the system is for. I read in another comment apparently they didn't want to report it because of responses they got in the past or something, which... makes me believe they don't want to find a solution, they want to stand on a soapbox. Hence the journal.

I decided to see what the fuss was about, weighed in, and well here we are.
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
How DARE I make a journal about an issue I'm having on my own profile :'[
Wishing people would do something that's required by the site's tos is sooooooo bad of me I'm sorry! You obviously know SO much better than I!
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
You're allowed to make a journal on w/e you want. I commented, agreed with you to an extent, disagreed on another point, you got upset that someone's not 100% agreeing with you... All in your rights, but I'm not sure what you're expecting.

You want solutions to problems with the site, tell a mod. You want quality of life stuff, wishing 'general public' would do something, that's... not gonna get results as quick as you want em, if at all. :/
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
Still allowed to make the journal and not change my mind
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
That's fine. I was never trying to change your mind. I was just voicing my opinion on the subject that you brought up.
I'm sorry you aren't open to a different perspective, but that's your prerogative. Truly hope that your issue gets solved, whether that's through force by the mods, or if people become more respectful and self-aware as you desire.
:)
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
Don't need any other perceptive.
Mine is the same as what is required by the site's tos, so I don't need to be "open to the idea" given to me by someone who'll draw kids having sex but  not gay men or trans characters.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
Once again, that's up to you. Some people think the Earth is flat too, and don't need another perspective.
However, if you're going to bring up things I will/won't draw... I mean... Why shouldn't I decide what I will/won't draw? I'm the artist. If I decide I don't want to draw something that's... kinda my right? What's exactly your point here lol?
You may not draw cub, but I mean... you draw diaper stuff. While we're on that subject, what do you suppose that fetish is about eh? I mean personally I haven't the foggiest, but... you know... surely there's a connection to children? Just maybe? Lil bit of... pot callin the kettle black? ;)
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
Yeah an adult in a diaper is totally the same as a character who is a child obviously.

Anyway, you're the one who thought that your opinion was so important you had to come on someone else's journal to make it, so either you deal with the fact that your opinion is neither needed nor wanted and go away, or you deal with the fact that this is my journal and I'm gonna say whatever I want on it.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
And you can. Never said you couldn't. Not once.
This is my comment, and i'm saying what I want here too. :)

No need to be upset. I have multiple times expressed my only hope that you get what you want out of your experience here at IB, even if I find it a bit totalitarian. You have only replied with anger and accusatory statements. Which of course, you're welcome to do so. Doesn't bother me. Though it does get a bit repetitive, and I don't see our discourse coming to an amicable resolution so... I guess this will be my last reply. Feel free to have the last word if you wish, you seem like the type of person who needs to. I won't be replying further as i've said what I had to a long time ago.

Hope your issues with browsing IB gets resolved, and you continue to draw what you want without persecution, just as others who use IB are allowed to do. :D
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
You could have stopped replying once you were told you were wrong about the rules but whatever.
Kadm
1 week, 6 days ago
Please let me break things down a little bit.

" Minimum Required Keywords
As the submission owner your are obliged to add the following minimum of keywords to your uploads where applicable:

The sex of individuals that appear in the submission. Eg: male, female, herm.
The species of individuals that appear in the submission. Eg: fox, rabbit, raccoon.
Keywords describing the essential themes portrayed in the submission. Eg: macro, inflation, cub.
It is especially important that you add keywords describing themes that you think users would commonly use to find your submission or what they might commonly wish to avoid seeing.


" This Keyword Policy forms part of the site rules which all users of Inkbunny are expected to abide by.


As with any violation of site rules, there may be consequences involved. You are not correct. Not abiding by the keyword policy is absolutely cause for revocation of certain privileges on this site. The minimum you clearly speak of covers all of the above examples you replied to Saucy with, and we would absolutely enforce tagging those essential themes, and if a user chose to repeatedly ignore their obligations, eventually take further action.

You may believe that they shouldn't be obligated, but they are. That is the reality.  
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
*Shrug* I just don't think they should be penalized for something like keywording. Using words like "Expected to" and "May be" aren't definites. Rules should be written and enforced as definites. Is it a cub, or is it a tiny bipedal anthro character? Who decides? You? The artist?

I don't know, I guess that's something for you guys to figure out behind the scenes. Seeing as how this is (apparently) a rampant problem Saucy has had to deal with for a long time, I guess you guys have your work cut out for you, and I wish you the best. Maybe someday we'll have cars that automatically use the turn signal, or women who don't keep loose bills in their bra... or people who don't fart in public... til then we'll just be where we are I guess.
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
Boo-hoo
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
Summed up your whole journal. :0
Kadm
1 week, 6 days ago
The policy has worked for seven years without issue. People, when asked to correct their behavior, correct it, in most cases. In the cases they don't, we probably didn't want them here anyway.

All rules being completely black and white is a pretty difficult thing to accomplish. In most cases, we defer to artists desire to tag certain things. However, when an artist describes the piece as cub in the description, but chooses not to tag it, that's either an oversight, which they can correct, or bad behavior, which we will curtail.
NekoStar
1 week, 6 days ago
Without issue? *points to this journal and our convo*

Whatever needs to happen, hey. Hope it happens I guess. I'm doing fine in my corner. Frankly, that's all I had to say on the subject. :)
Rabbot
1 week, 6 days ago
..I can't believe how much this blew up.  It's not hard to tag your stuff, I mean, why not if you've already gone through all the effort of creating it? I don't understand what people are so mad about.
Saucy
1 week, 6 days ago
Apparently I'm bad for wanting people to respect one of the core rules of the site
Reiko
1 week, 3 days ago
Welp...I just checked if *my* stuff was tagged and now I feel like an asshole. Updated it now, at least.
Saucy
1 week, 3 days ago
Please don't, it really is about purposefully not tagging
Reiko
1 week, 3 days ago
Yeah, that sucks. :/ I ended up writing a little post of my own 'cause the replies to this journal are absolutely exhausting and I'm sorry you have to deal with them. https://inkbunny.net/j/346222-Reiko-boundaries
talon2point0
1 week, 2 days ago
I really like that IB allows the community to add tags to submissions. While yes, this feature can and has been abused, it's a nice auto correcting system.

I feel you for those ones who A: opt out of this feature and B: don't tag their very seedy smut. Those people are super sketch...
Uluri
2 days, 3 hrs ago
Tagging art is really important, especially on a site that offers a blacklist.
Tags are very very VERY important, and gosh darn yeah people do hecka
complain beyond infinity if I didn't tag my Gore or Snuff art, and I actually
find it really dumb that the same can't be said for other themes of NSFW art.
It's incredibly inconsiderate to viewers on a site with a blacklist.
There are actually so many tags that people don't use at all, too, to make it easier
to filter.

I agree with a lot of others that having a minimum amount of keywords tagged should
be required. (Heck I think it should be required on all sites to have a minimum.)
Minimum 5 is probably pretty good amount. I can fill that out real easy just by
going down their tag list thing.
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