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The existence of god muah

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this is just gonna be some tipsy rants I made to one person who said there is no existence of god, this was criticism of jordan peterson, as he is not a true christian:

1.then you have not studied science. There is overwhelming evidence of design in every field, biology and physics primarily. Are you aware that the evolution is an attempt to explain the overwhelming evidence of design in physical structures....and worse...every 40 years since beginning of theory it gets worse AND THEY FIND MORE DESIGN, which they have to try to explain. Physics, the whole idea is based on natural law that a intelligent creator made universal natural laws. In fact, that universal natural laws still exist is evidence again of creator. But lets ignore that...the natural constants of the universe, +20 of them are all designed to be withing 1-2% (except gravity as weakest force) to allowing atoms and stars to exist....there is no reason for this, except creator. Infact, atheist scientists go so far to explain this, that there are infinite universes, not scientific and cant be proven, to explain this...we're just the lucky one...and 99.999999999......50 more all are dead starless, atomless universes....to say how much our universe is "lucky" What's worse is cosmological constant can not be changed at all for atoms or stars to exist....not one digit in all of its measured 50+ digit length. Not one digit...50 digits down is 1/10x50th discrepancy...its like winning lottery every day of your life for millions of years. So science pretty much points to intelligent creator who designed life at the very least. SOrry they didnt teach you this in schools.

2.just as an aside...the thing i find most fascinating about humans is how your blood gets back to the heart...pressure is dissipated from heart when it gets to capillaries...fluid gets dispersed into cells or else the pressure would explode the capillaries...but this also carries the nutrients and oxygen to cells. However, it gets moved back to heart from 2 systems...the fluid gets collected from lympathic system and cells and plasma goes back through low pressure veins. Both get back to your heart by muscle movement. Your exercise and involuntary movements push the blood and fluid one way, because (evolution made genes to do one way valves in both systems where they could only move one way...LOL, lol if you believe mutations in genes made those one way valves in BOTH systems) they literally seep back into heart. The lymphatic system connects to veins right before it enters into heart, because god/genetics? And really it should not work...it sometimes doesnt...this is why your extremities fall asleep when you dont move them.

3.  my 17 page treatise on why the christian god is the creator predicted by science according to relativity. Science predicts creator...he must be outside time, since that is creation, 4th dimension. He must therefore be eternal, unchanging, everlasting. He must be outside space...and yet permeating space, as anywhere he is not, to create, would not exist...so he is everywhere, omnipresent. He must know everything, as he created everything, hence omniscient, and since he is source of all energy, must be omnipotent. It's odd founding christian fathers not only stated these things, but argued how they could occur in their limited knowledge, this DEMANDS these attributes. The rest of paper, which is lost to time, traces moral attributes of god, and could be expanded on...like how god apparently does not like premarital sex.

4.EDIT...i forgot...he must create universe not in past but in ONE PIECE....start to finish...its already done from his perspective....this does have interesting prospects for theology...the war in heaven is still going on...its eternal-ish...in this perspective, when did satan fall to earth...I think whenever the apocalypse begins....the last 7 years...the 7 years missing from daniel's prophecies when christ died...2000 years later is 2030.  Oddly +7 years its after israel became a nation again and 70 years after isreal retook jerusalem, 2037, 7 years after first date.  It's odd we have 1 world currency based on mark/chip on hand forming now without which one can not buy or sell.  And this odd world debate base on globalism vs nationalism in which nationalism is an evil thing according to media?  no?

Wibbley wimey timey stuff...(side note...was watching video on performance bias....stupid people are too stupid to see their errors and think they are better performing...while competent people downgrade their performance, as they think everyone gets this....with average level people knowing their faults and judge themselves more accurately...I wonder how people do not get 4th dimensional time?  Me and my roommate were watching the weeping angles of doctor who...and I had to try to explain to him the temporal mechanics of it.  I dont know if he got it.  No insult on his intelligence...because that is multivaried thing...he is far more mechanically inclined than I and knows a LOT more than i do about that stuff...)

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Yiffox

5 years, 3 months ago

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someone make a comment...prove me wrong pleaz...srsly. if you have opposed views, dont care...would love to hear them, only rule no attacking people, only ideas

JuliaNinetails

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@ Yiffox

While im open to the concept of god, i don't really believe that a man created the universe, even the science of atoms can explain the creation of stars and planets, there was even a theory that we once had two moons.

i really don't believe satan exists either, but god is not all good and satan is not all bad.

what really confuses me is when im looking at family trees, im left wondering if we all share some kind of relation (other then being human), this makes me think that maybe there isn't a god, but something else going on that defys scientific laws.

Yiffox

5 years, 3 months ago

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@ JuliaNinetails

you seem confused, dont believe in god or satan, but they are equal.  What I stated above was that the universe appears impossibly designed on all levels, which implies existence of a creator.

As far as other question, whatever the creator says is good.  Disobeying him is bad...one of points hinted at, is extramartialial sex, which he says is bad...whats odd is there's the majority of STD's either kill you or harm you greatly.

By definition going against the creator's will is bad, and that would be definition, so creator can't go against his own will.  Satan is not all bad, but evil, going against his will. Nothing is ALL bad, as he created all things, things are only corrupted versions of good.

Well science says we all came from one woman according to mitrochondrial studies...the only question is how long ago, they say 60,000 yrs?  but it depends how long mutations take to occur and their presumptions.

Yiffox

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@ JuliaNinetails

ALso god is not a man, he is described as eternal, nonmaterial, changeless, everywhere, all knowing, all powerful....all of this as said is necessary if creation occurred nonlinearly, but wibbley wobbley all at once, as it would HAVE to have been according to relativity. God creates the universe moment by moment from beginning to end, so must know everything, be everywhere, also since outside time, changeless. As a kid, I found this idea fascinating because people have argued for 2000 years how these traits are possible.

Believing in satan is also a little easier for me, because as a kid, my brother in law was a satan worshipper from Sicily, had pentagram under his family's kitchen table, wore a gold goat's head ring with ruby eyes, was blessed by an african witch doctor as a kid and had something in the dashboard of his car given to him by witchdoctor which he wouldn't tell us what it was. Probably human one would guess. We werent raised christian as my dad was catholic and mother Episcopalian, so they decided not to raise us religious at all, but we converted about my age 10. I was youngest person baptized in our church as you had to take a class and pass to show you know what it meant. Anyway, broinlaw sat in on our devotions one day, a time of bible reading and prayer, and while we were praying he started making glutteral noises, his pupils turned into slits and his neck puffed up. This happened twice before he converted to christianity. NECKS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO PUFF UP!

NoddMouse

5 years, 3 months ago

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I was a little kid that didn't know much about Christmas other than "presents, yay!"

Then I was an emo, edgy teenager that was totally into the book of revelations cause I thought it would be awesome to see the world ending around me.

Later I was agnostic, as I had seen no proof that any gods exist.  All evidence presented to me required mental gymnastics on par with what flat earthers have to believe in order to adhere to their theories.

I was a full out atheist for several years after stumbling upon some videos online made by prominent atheists who easily debunked any religious jargon that was thrown their way.  Richard Dawkins especially made an impression on me when someone asked him "What if you're wrong?"  His very intelligent, non-confrontational reply can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg

And after a few subtle but thought provoking life experiences here I am now: an agnostic pagan that believes there are indeed hundreds of gods though I have no concrete proof of the existence of any one of them.  I simply think of them as energy based beings that exist on a different plane than ours.  Did any of them create the universe?  No, they simply live in it with the rest of us; albeit their lifespans can last eons compared to our current hundred years or so if one is lucky.

The Christian god is just one of the many such entities in existence.  But I sincerely doubt he cares about whether you eat shellfish or pork, nor does he worry about if you're wearing clothing woven from two different kinds of cloth, and he certainly doesn't care about who you share a bed with.  It would be like one of us closely monitoring the daily habits of every single ant in a large colony and being ready to instantly punish any one ant for carrying the wrong kind of leaf matter home.  We all have better and more important things to occupy our time with, and so do the gods.  And just as our daily habits are unknowable to ants, what the gods go about doing on a daily basis are things we can scarcely dream of.

Yiffox

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@ NoddMouse

Well already presented you scientific evidence that our universe appears absolutely designed to allow atoms and stars to exist.  And evolution is a theory to try to explain the overwhelming evidence of biological design by means other than a creator, however, its an impossible theory to actually work, it is not very science based and most of its original evidence has evaoporated as we learned more about biology.  Also as I said, every 40-50 years there MORE evidence of design, genetics, DNA, and lately epigenetics that is um, problematic for the theory.

Interesting that you believe in the opposing religion of paganism, which was copypasted to almost every civilzation.  Christians would explain this as unoriginality among demons presenting themselves as gods.  Lucifer is usually presented universally as the sky/thunder god.  Oddly he's usually depicted as losing an eye and a reincarnation of his own father who was killed, who marries his mother.  Isis/Osiris/Horus.  Hell even in Bible his "son" the antichrist loses his eye in future, about 14 years from now in my estimation....strange how that symbol is on our dollar bills.  There is a reason the Roman gods could easily associate their gods with the Greek ones.  The only original one, is Islam, which was a pagan cult that just ripped everything off from Judaism.  They still worship a meteorite and touch it through vagina shaped hole.  Allah was originally a moon god with 2 daughters (hence the moon and star on their flags...funny how they can't get rid of symbolism.)

Here's the thing though, since you said you loved relevations, so did I as a kid, it was my favorite book.  It clearly depicts a limited nuclear war in which mountains of fire kill 1/4th the population and poison 1/3rd the earth, and then kills another 1/4th from famine and strange sores.  Here is the most interesting part to me, Islamic end time prophecies are opposite christian ones.  Our antichrist becomes their last imam.  Our false prophet becomes their Jesus (yes they actually think Jesus comes back to earth and declares last Imam the true prophet.)  Our 2 jewish prophets become their dajjal and false prophet.  Both say the antichrist/last imam will enter into jeruslam and set up worship of himself in newly built temple (the Isrealites already have all the things made to make new temple)...and the he will start a slaughter of jews there.  Bible says to jews there, flee into the mountains when this occurs.  You should look this up, especially with islamization of Europe going on.

Also see my real satan worshipper story above.

Yiffox

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oh forgot to mention, because I just found this out, looking up proper way to spell dajjal and looking at wikipedia to find out what they call the other guy associated with him as I did not remember. I'm just calling him false prophet as I couldnt find that out, that may be improper term, but if you like Dr. Who, this was weird thing. The dajjal is supposed to appear carried by 2 angels....like dr who did in that christmas special with the titantic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E33vAhs4bNs

Yiffox

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" Jesus gave only 1 commandment in the New Covenant, to love thy neighbor as thyself."
NOPE nope...that was 2nd commandment.  You have a problem with context.  The first commandment was love god with all your heart.

In other words, god comes before yourself and others.

You havent offended me at all.  I think you misguided as I have pointed out.  You dont have the knowledge of science to see waht I am talking about design in the universe, where you dismiss it so lightly.  Maybe its sad that I have learned so much is just seems obvious to me, and I may fall into Dunning Kruger effect.  It's obvious to me what I say, on multiple lines of science, math, history, bible, mythology, and your argument against is well flat earth.  As much as its obvious you are right on your one line of flat earth argument, because you have not studied any of the multiple lines of evidence I present, because flat earth is enough.

Really look this up:  Dunning Kruger effect.  I do not mean to insult you by putting this forward...but one of us clearly knows more about what they are talking about than other.  Have you ever heard of cosmological constant till I mentioned it?  I can tell you its history through Einstein, Lemaitz(?) the catholic who proposed big bang.  Can expand on that with atheists who didnt like and it proposed other theories..but you just wanna argue flat earth.  Its boring.

Seems all your arguments are just many many many of your one argument.  But sadly, I value these disputes, because sometimes, someone makes me look up something new.  You have not really done that with your one flat earth argument.

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