As a result, I don't want to use patreon anymore, so I've closed my creator page there. This culture of censorship is an absolute disgrace, to hell with everyone on board with it.
alex jones was patient 0, now that they know they can just get rid of every undesireable by just denying public acces is time for them to kill every dissenting voice on their platforms.
alex jones was patient 0, now that they know they can just get rid of every undesireable by just den
You didn't watch the video I linked, because he's not mentally ill and is a liar. Below are the official reasons for the banning. Violating long-standing policies against child endangerment and hate speech. Violated standards against hate speech and bullying. Was involved in harassment or encouraged it. Violated terms of service prohibitions on discriminatory and hateful content. Dehumanizing language about immigrants, Muslims, and transgender people, as well as violence glorification. Instances that promoted hate or discriminatory intolerance against certain communities and religions. Watch the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zju0QXNSKN0&t=34s
You didn't watch the video I linked, because he's not mentally ill and is a liar. Below are the offi
I was under the impression that he actually believed most of the things that he said. Explain to me how a person who believes the things that Alex Jones believes is sane!
I was under the impression that he actually believed most of the things that he said. Explain to me
Hopefully this will put an end to the e-begging craze and people can just do shit for it's own sake and not to make money! Sorry but I've never been a fan of 'that' platform and never will be. This just helps to reinforce my dislike of it.
Hopefully this will put an end to the e-begging craze and people can just do shit for it's own sake
"...people can just do shit for it's own sake and not to make money!"
Right. SO artists can just do free art for everyone, starve and die. Or computer coders. Or carpenters, farmers, doctors, writers! Fuck why not just let people do what ever the fuck they want and everything will work out!!
Good plan!
"...people can just do shit for it's own sake and not to make money!" Right. SO artists can just do
You know Knife, YouTubers were making videos WAY before Patreon became a "thing"!
I'm aware that artists need to make money, but the thing is Knife that they ALLREADY can make money without Patreon! It's called 'commissioning their services', they also don't have to owe those morons any money to keep their platform going. Any extra costs are often paid for by the commissioner, say PayPal fees for example, but that's just something that people had accepted a long time ago.
So yeah trying to start a fucking argument with me is real productive!
You know Knife, YouTubers were making videos WAY before Patreon became a "thing"! I'm aware that ar
Youtubers used to make money from ad revenue, then the Wall Street Journal decided pewdie's a nazi and suddenly everyone's ad revenue was halved, some creators were even blacklisted. The payment processors like stripe (patreon's payment processor) are the ones encouraging; tos changes, enforcing moral rules, and even just selective interpretation of the rules (the case Roarey linked is an example of this). As such unless someone who is a free speech absolutist makes their own payment processor and it isn't deplatformed by it's competitors, the artists will still have to follow these rules. Crittermatic is a fantastic example of this as they had to change a character in all their animations, then a couple months later, the rules were reinterpreted and they had to get rid of the character completely or be kicked off patreon.
Youtubers used to make money from ad revenue, then the Wall Street Journal decided pewdie's a nazi a
Not all YouTubers make money you know. They just make videos for the sake of expressing themselves, which is what YouTube was originally made for to begin with, before they went all 'corporation' on everyone. Sadly that and common sense seems to be missing from people's heads on the internet these days, giving rise to greed and stupidity!
Not all YouTubers make money you know. They just make videos for the sake of expressing themselves,
No Shit. But I was commenting on the stupidity of your original statement not what you thought of Pateron or PayPal or commissions. That's all. The way it was worded just sounded wrong and hit a nerve. And for the record, I'm not sorry I commented on it.
No Shit. But I was commenting on the stupidity of your original statement not what you thought of Pa
Wear ever you like it or not some will see the hordes of people use the platform to get money from people can be seen as e-begging from a certain point of view, you're just too ignorant to see that!
Wear ever you like it or not some will see the hordes of people use the platform to get money from p
Yes I Do. It was made for content creators (of any kind) specifically to ask for financial support for their endeavours. While it's true their are suppose to give more back to the people who contribute to their cause, at the end of the day it was a bandwagon for creators to hop onto, turn their passion projects into cash machines and think that they can turn it into a regular source of stable income, of which this controversy just proves that you can't rely on the internet for said stable income all of the time.
Yes I Do. It was made for content creators (of any kind) specifically to ask for financial support f
So YOUR problem is that a lot of artists made it a paywall and started charging people to see their best work. Or ANY work. Ok that makes sense. Believe it or not that was NOT what I was going to use it for. But sadly, like always, assholes had to screw up the machine and here we are. For the record I believe Pateron or something like it could work. But I'm afraid the damage is done so it's pretty much over.
So YOUR problem is that a lot of artists made it a paywall and started charging people to see their
The site or at least the idea is supposed to have good merit towards it, but it seemed like everyone is just using it now as a money making machine and in a way it's killing the whole 'being creative for the sake of just being creative' attitude that we used to know. Making money was an after thought and sadly nowadays it really isn't.
Using the internet to make money is (unless you actually own a well developed business) always going to be tricky. It may work for a while but then there's usually some catch that will eventually mean that they can't make more money anymore for perhaps a number of reasons. I only see the internet as a temporary or short term way of making money through methods like these. I fear that some who use Patreon may become too used to having money come their way and if people's circumstances change and they can't support them anymore, the Patreon would then wonder how come they are getting say $10.00 less a month and then lose say another $10.00 if someone else also had to cut back.
I know you can set it up so that people can only give so much a month to their various Patreon without them worrying about breaking the bank, but still there could be a time when people may need to use that money for themselves and rightfully so. In that respect the Patreon loses out and may not have a backup plan for such an event. They should try and not become too reliant on the service as much like investments the amount of money can go down as well as up. Patreon (the site) likes to convince people that their income can only go up or at least that's the impression I get with it and not really go into the dangers of the possibility that their income could disappear as much as it could appear.
It's concerning if a Patreon has indeed made it their only source of income and if that were to disappear, they could be out on the street. Many may not like to hear it, but nothing really beats having actual employment somewhere as a stable form of income, even then if you had lost your job there may things that prepare you for what comes ahead, having one last mandatory payment before your employment is terminated etc. You won't get that with Patreon, if anything they probably might try and get away with some kind of account termination fee, hopefully they won't stoop as low as that.
But yeah my concern is that people could become too reliant on this service which has good intentions, but can be flawed and slightly annoying that every Tom, Dick and Harry keeps saying to people 'Check out my Patreon' every five minutes.
Though I do acknowledge that there are some people who would only use their Patreon money to aid them in the project that people do pay to see more of and you were (or was) in that category. Fair enough, but yeah you said so yourself, the people who use it solely to make an extra buck has really tainted these good intentions.
The site or at least the idea is supposed to have good merit towards it, but it seemed like everyone
You forget Roarey that doing that is technically slavery. Doing stuff like making videos or drawing up stuff online is optional.
Yeah the same can be said about Patreon itself, people aren't forcing you to do it, but by God to be reminded that everyone has a Patreon now is really annoying and that it proves that people just want to use it to make a fast buck (or quid as you guys say in England). Any integrity toward just drawing art for it's own sake seems long gone and anyway long before Patreon people who really wanted money could just ask people for commissions rather then singling out individuals who don't contribute to their Patreon account.
I can actually recall you were one of those who also did commissions work, making it slightly redundant to have a Patreon account as I all ready pointed out that circumstances can easily change and that the amount of money you get with that could vary. Sure it might be a stable form of income for a while, but it's not to last. So you might as well just ask for people to take an interest in your commission work or have a temporary sale or something to get people enticed. There are ways of making a bit of extra money then having to reply on a service which has proven to be controversial and flawed to it's own code of conduct, but then that seems to be the internet al over these days.
You forget Roarey that doing that is technically slavery. Doing stuff like making videos or drawing
The point is that creating art is an act of labour as well as an act of creativity. Having free access to the fruit of that labour is a privilege rather than an entitlement. So if an artist puts their work behind a pay wall, they're doing nothing unjust. Instead, it is about whether or not the fans of an artist are willing to pay to have access to that work, so the artist has to balance income with exposure. Being an artist in the fandom isn't a great income compared to the skill and experience involved, so something like patreon allows more artists to do more work, by having a better income from it. It is easy for you to say creativity for its own sake, but you aren't the one spending the hours of work that go into a piece, the thousands of hours that make a gallery. Resenting artists for making money from their hard work simply due to income models that don't give you free access is nothing to do with an artist doing something wrong, it is just your own dislike of it as a consumer, who wants to see more art for nothing.
The point is that creating art is an act of labour as well as an act of creativity. Having free acce
My point is that making money should be an after thought and not the primary drive to which an artist should commit their time too and that some artists would rather just draw to express themselves, rather then just do it all to attract to an audience. But that's your choice. I'm OK for paying for commissions up front in that case, I'm not really comfortable to having to pay a monthly fee for something which I may or may not want. At least with a paid commission I know what I'm getting.
My point is that making money should be an after thought and not the primary drive to which an artis
An afterthought? On what grounds do you presume to say what artists ought to be doing? I'm of the opinion that people should do as the please, provided they're not hurting anybody. All the great art of all the ages has always required patronage, the most complicated forms of art require vast sums of money to produce. One is at liberty to give oneself fully to creative endeavours provided they have the finances to commit to it. That's what patreon is there to help provide. Nobody is being ripped off by pay wall content.
An afterthought? On what grounds do you presume to say what artists ought to be doing? I'm of the op
It's complicated overall to please everyone. I'm not a fan of Patreon, I think of the platform as nothing more then a visible sign of content creators getting greedy and non-realistic for the reasons I've all ready mentioned. Anyway, you're rather quick to defend a platform you yourself are no longer a member of due to a fuck up 'they' created. Just saying.
It's complicated overall to please everyone. I'm not a fan of Patreon, I think of the platform as no
I'd say you're greedy for the work of others and resent paying to see it. I do indeed defend what patreon was created to do. What I do not defend is how they are behaving now that their project is doing well for itself, kicking people off the service who never contravened their terms of service. Alternative sites provide the same service, which I approve of.
I'd say you're greedy for the work of others and resent paying to see it. I do indeed defend what pa
And the point is that seeing artists work is a privilege not a right, so if an artist paywall it that is their decision and while you have a right to be upset that you can no longer see it for free, you will forever be in the wrong if you try to demand it should be free.
Or do you also think it's wrong to have to pay to see movies, or to watch episodes of tv shows when they aren't currently on air. Or maybe it should be free to listen to all music. And gosh while we are at it all video games and books should be free as well, right?
I may not have the money to support any of these artists and get sad when some move to full paywall, but I won't try and stop them. They deserve to make money from all the work it takes to make their art and if moving to a paywall is the best way for them to do that, then they should do so. It isn't my right to see what they produce, it's an artists choice whether or not it should be publicly visible. If at some point it becomes non viable, many will move back to not being a full paywall, but that also usually comes alongside them having to do the art in their now reduced free time from needing to work a regular job to support themselves.
And the point is that seeing artists work is a privilege not a right, so if an artist paywall it tha
A word of advice don't bother posting to old topics, unless you want to rekindle old arguments like an arsonist wanting to set fire to something that is all ready lit up? It makes you look like as the British would say 'a wanker'!
A word of advice don't bother posting to old topics, unless you want to rekindle old arguments like
Yet your retort has nothing to do with the topic. Yes in an ideal world you would never have to pay for art, but in that ideal world an artist wouldn't need to make money off their art to make a living doing what they enjoy. This obviously is not an ideal world, so don't be an ass and just appreciate what you do get free.
Yet your retort has nothing to do with the topic. Yes in an ideal world you would never have to pay
My comment to this is a bit lateish but my input is the fact, I have no issue (or had no issue) with Patreon, my main problem were the artists who STRICTLY used it as a paywall, flat out scammed many users of their money by rarely updating their content and demanding a lot of money for low quality content (I seen some patreon users demand 30 dollars for a peek at artwork that look to be made by a 8 year old who just began drawing, suffice to say those patreons no longer exists).
Honestly the whole "Patreon only" ordeal left a bitter taste, since it usually happens not for financial support but for greed. (And trust me, I seen people make the DUMBEST excuse to justify it, said people being very financially stable)
My comment to this is a bit lateish but my input is the fact, I have no issue (or had no issue) with
Using Pateron for a paywall was the LAST thing it should have been used for but these people*the artists who do it* just don't seem to get it. And that's sad cause it ruins it for everyone else. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with it but I'm glad you understand the difference. To me the idea of a paywall is and always will be wrong.
Using Pateron for a paywall was the LAST thing it should have been used for but these people*the art
The guy at the center of this controversy, didn't put any of his video's behind a paywall, it was just his income source. Second, while some people do e-beg, the thing about patreon is, you don't have to use it. I'm following some artists who have most of their galleries behind a two year paywall, and I don't care, they are free to do that.
The guy at the center of this controversy, didn't put any of his video's behind a paywall, it was ju
How so, by voluntarily paying someone who I want to see succeed? That's less of being taken for a ride than having to buy food at a restaurant I don't like because I can't eat bread and they're the only gluten free place around. I'm not even a patron to that artist I mentioned, because I think two years is an unreasonable time for a paywall.
How so, by voluntarily paying someone who I want to see succeed? That's less of being taken for a ri
They are just trying to be 'elitist' in a way by saying 'Hey if you can't afford to be a Patreon and see my art then tough shit"! Anyway, the platform is going down, they fucked up and that's all there is to it at the end of the day and I say 'good riddance'. No doubt some other platform is going to come in and become the new e-begging whore site that everyone signs up to, but we'll cross that bridge if and when we ever come to it. As the late Stan Lee would say "nuff said!
They are just trying to be 'elitist' in a way by saying 'Hey if you can't afford to be a Patreon and
In short words: The safety team of Patreon applying the community rules on the Patreon Creators WHOLE ONLINE PRESENCE and not on the creators page like the guidelines say so.
Means by THEIR rules, you should only be banned from Patreon if you do hate-speech on Patreon itself.
But in reality, even if you say on your Facebook something critical about politics or about people, Patrein find it and will ban you for it.
That means in the case of Roary here, they might check out his pictures and his "messages" he has done with them and eventually banned him for say something critical.
In short words: The safety team of Patreon applying the community rules on the Patreon Creators WHOL
But thats exactly what the Safety team does. And the head of Patreon not even know it cause for him, the team's responsibility ends with the name of the domain.
But thats exactly what the Safety team does. And the head of Patreon not even know it cause for him,
Closing my account. Fuck patreon. Them deplatforming BitChute was what did it for me. That has nothing to do with content, it's just big tech going after competitors.
Closing my account. Fuck patreon. Them deplatforming BitChute was what did it for me. That has nothi
I found it interesting that the Patreon CEO said that Patreon supports Free Speech and then banned Sargon for using free speech. Huh!? He said that Patreon didn't care what you said elsewhere but Sargon was banned for using unacceptable free speech on another venue. Double huh!? Well, everyone better get ready. Sooner or later, those people that are banning free speechers will eventually come after ANYBODY they dislike, even us, simply because they don't like the idea of anthro animals.
I found it interesting that the Patreon CEO said that Patreon supports Free Speech and then banned S
