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Norithics

Banned from FA.

So, after god knows how long now, FA's powers-that-be decided to get around to actually enforcing the rule they made. Here's the note chain from this afternoon:
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1285/convowu.jpg

I come back from a shower:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8716/suspt.jpg

To be honest, I didn't really expect the suspension at all! I thought the conversation was civilized enough. But apparently they decided a slap on the wrist was in order. That'll teach me to not have a secret thought police in my head!
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Added: 6 years, 5 months ago
 
SkyeEldrich
6 years, 5 months ago
FA has gone downhill...  I can't believe I ever used to like them.  Anyway, welcome to Inkbunny, last bastion of love and tolerance for cubs on the internet. :3
Kupok
6 years, 5 months ago
You know what, I don't even need to convince people to leave FA.

Eventually FA will boot every relevant person to InkBunny.
Amaterasu
6 years, 5 months ago
haha thats funny and sadly true xD
DOtter
6 years, 5 months ago
...or SoFurry, or Furocity, or FurNation, maybe Deviant Arts...
threyon
6 years, 5 months ago
I hear dA has some admin/censoring issues, as well.
yssupnikcid
6 years, 4 months ago
Though I see some that are STILL there. Strange.
AndyBanez
6 years, 5 months ago
still buggering with them..they should have closed theri festered pit ages ago..imho

sorry for you anyway! :(
PsyChuan
6 years, 5 months ago
I'm amazed it took this to make you realise FA is a bag of dicks. x:
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
I'm amazed you think this is news to me.
PsyChuan
6 years, 5 months ago
Touché.
Rokkan
6 years, 5 months ago
You didn't seem to be denying to follow the AUP at all, merely stating what is right and what the rule described. It's their discretion to delete the images they see fit, not yours.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Heyheyhey mister bossy-pants, don't you start confusing them with facts this late in the game- they're trying to instill a culture of fear, here!
KeeperSeen
6 years, 5 months ago
Can't say am surprised, This may sound like just pointing fingers but I consider sciggles being the main reason why everything has gone down and Dragoneer is to sprung over her to do anything else other then listen to his dick.


Also IB's better anyways =p
Rokkan
6 years, 5 months ago
"Oh no how dare you obligate me to do my job here's a suspension that will teach you"
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh it'll teach me SO GOOD. Show me that suspension, baby, I want it in my-
Oh. It's... it's only three days long.
It's okay, it happens to a lot of guys.
Rokkan
6 years, 5 months ago
ahahahahaha good!
DragonPen
6 years, 5 months ago
Well i am not surprised. FA has been...as everyone has been saying before me, going downhill. I mean i can understand that they dont want certain things...but the big reason they denied underage characters is because of money...and loosing accounts from European countries. But..i know of a few characters that may look like children but are in fact adults. Pity we cant just say that for some art on there and get away with it. Hell their policies are the reason i did not post my Bunnie Rabbot on there...bunnie is considered underage if i recall.
Incaros
6 years, 5 months ago
Actually, someone pointed out apprently that it WASN'T cub porn that made them lose some of the advertisers and paypal. Paypal at least dislikes ALL porn. Even if FA had never allowed cub porn, Paypal would have still dropped them due to the non cub porn. They just used it as an excuse, according to some.
DragonPen
6 years, 5 months ago
...and now i dislike them even more. FA has become so..so...fascist.
Incaros
6 years, 5 months ago
I've only heard it from someone else, so don't hate them more JUST because of what you hear from me. I HIGHLY suggest you investigate it yourself if you can. I don't remember the name of the person, but it shouldn't be hard to find. I've tried not to get an opinion of FA but...after hearing so many different people complaining about what is essentially the SAME thing. Kinda hard not to. Once I got logged out of FA, I just stopped bothering trying to log in...as I keep making up random passwords on FA after they got hacked, and keep forgetting them.
PorcupineFucker
6 years, 5 months ago
I say FA is shit anyway. Too many policies and guidelines. I mean, if you're going to host a porn site, let people do it how THEY want to! I've dealt with this before though, just an overzealous administrator trying to look cool by suspending people who completely fucking burn him.
LabrnMystic
6 years, 5 months ago
What? Didn't you already clear out some of that stuff and do a gallery wipe? O_o
EricAdler
6 years, 5 months ago
I believe he did, and that appeased the admin of the moment.  But not a different admin is looking at the gallery, and he is not using the same judgment as the previous admin.

The FA admins need to set some solid rules about what is or is not allowed; their own refusal to be concrete about the allowed artwork is the main reason people are fleeing it. any variation of 'up to the discretion of the admins' when it comes to an AUP weakens the 'concrete' definitions.  It's like the definition of porn as 'I know it when I see it,' that's not a definition, it's a statement of 'My opinion is more important than your opinion.'  And nobody's opinion on art is more important than anyone else's, with the exception of the artist who made the artwork, and possibly the sponsor who commissioned the artwork; they have more weight in calling the artwork 'not good,' since they are the ones who made it and/or/ directed its production.
LabrnMystic
6 years, 5 months ago
They are going to eventually drive me out, too. I swear.
Nyterious
6 years, 5 months ago
Interesting. Will you go back after the 3 days?
JTPF
6 years, 5 months ago
Good question.. If I were banned I'd go from that site for good..
Skoon
6 years, 5 months ago
Furaffinity is a piece of shit. Frankly I'd like the site to lose ALL following.
Incaros
6 years, 5 months ago
I'll still miss the FA that once was, if for nothing else, for the fact that many artist simply won't come to Inkbunny. That, and the fact I'll have to refind them on here. :I
Seolsaw
6 years, 5 months ago
Why do you think most FAers are at other places now? You included. Im surprised you went back with this in place to be honest.
TachiKusanagi
6 years, 5 months ago
Proves to me how retarded the admins on FA are. Really, what the hell? You talk to that admin in a civilized manner, basically as you don't know what he may see as "underage art" and all he does is suspend your account permanently?

What did he think? That you troll or something? Is he that freaking retarded? Oh well, 'Neer and his bunch just slamming more holes into the ship.
specterHSC
6 years, 5 months ago
Blah on FA. That's why I use Ink Bunny as my primary furry site. Much more user friendly too. Either way banned suspended or just in different on FA I'll still follow you here.
ravenvenice
6 years, 5 months ago
wow congrats on the fa ban LOL actually i'm suprised i haven't been hit for it yet. though i can't remember if any of my stories actually included under age or not. *scratches head* no wait...i know i have a few teen stories still up. But yeah seriously. they expected you to do their job? That's awesome. Sure, i could see if it was posted AFTER the AUP update...but even then. at least give the person a list of what needs to be deleted. what if you didn't know you had something underage and it was all the way back on like page 50? 0.o not my job to go through and decide what's "cub" and what's not. not my job. v.v anywhoo. welcome to IB lol hope it works better for ya.
Nyanki
6 years, 5 months ago
If I ever got banned from there, I'd probably make a new secret account just to watch my friends, and just upload my art elsewhere.  It's a shame though, FA used to be the best.  I could upload all my art there in the good old days.  Now I have to sort which pictures can go to which galleries, since they all have various restrictions or types of art that just don't fit in (I wouldn't bother uploading English comics to the Japanese Pixiv for example.)

I won't bother going into how stupid it is to worry about fictional character's ages, we've all been over that many times already.
Rinnsi
6 years, 5 months ago
Noooo my favorite person who draws thingies! you shall be ...wait, i'm watching you on here.  Oh well, i like Inkbunny better for certain filters, but too many people use FA to just leave it. Meh
ScrapsSharpsplinter
6 years, 5 months ago
I only make music, so I'm pretty safe (by that I mean obscure X3) but yeah, I kinda agree with most people, FA has really gone downhill in terms of.. well, a lot of things, actually ^^;;

Though your argument was definitely civil, if the admins make a policy, they should follow it themselves, meaning that when they say they'll take something down for violating AUP, they need to do it themselves rather then being lazy
sedkitty
6 years, 5 months ago
"Hey, Norithics!  People have told us you're doing a thing.  Stop doing that thing!"
"What thing?"
BANNED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzpk5dMhVE4
Blazger
6 years, 5 months ago
Maybe he banned ya cause you insulted his "Intelligence" along the lines of that intelligent conversation.  I think yer stuff was just fine.  Always gotta be a butt-hurt admin that has to hate on something THEY don't like and not every other person's views.

Either way don't sweat it.  The day that place goes to hell will be a celebration to many.
Lamia
6 years, 5 months ago
I've drawn quite a lot of cubs in my time but am not popular enough to get reported

well either way, I pretty much just draw ponies now anyway
Incaros
6 years, 5 months ago
....yay for ponies! <3
Fennex
6 years, 5 months ago
Watches then ^^
Eviscerator
6 years, 5 months ago
*Throws medals at.* TIME FOR A PARTAAAY! Lesh get drunk..you gotta keatsh up wit me tho!
Nezu
6 years, 5 months ago
Sorry to see it happen to ya, atleast we can still see ya around here.
Pentor
6 years, 5 months ago
According to FA standards, that was not a polite conversation at all. You started being rude the moment your first reply was something other than immediate obedience.
MeanFilene
6 years, 5 months ago
When I saw, "I got banned from FA", I thought,
" "Dear god, I hope that's not Bazeel doing this."


And it was Baz.

<--Quite sad, already.  That guy was made admin barely 24 hours ago and is already waving the ban hammer.  Looking at your convo, I would've hoped he'd start with something more clear-cut.  Pretty disappointing. :|
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
... Ahaha! They hired a new guy just to take me down? Weak-titties.
Denizen1414
6 years, 5 months ago
Wow...thats a kick in the lugnuts. Oh well, no worries anyway
Incaros
6 years, 5 months ago
I've been hearing more and more about FA becoming corrupt with power. I wonder if they are that hardlined with everything, or just with cub/kinda sorta looks like cub stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if they weren't since they blamed loosing paypal due to cub porn, when it was apparently porn in general that did it. But anyway...welcome to Inkbunny fully. I guess. X3 To be honest, I haven't logged into my FA account in a long while, so haven't really been affect by it that much.
ZephonTsol
6 years, 5 months ago
I think the thing to keep in mind with this is that FurAffinity itself isn't a piece of crap, the mongoloids who run it are.

There was a journal I posted a long while back. Generated some pretty significant heat about the step from banning shota/loli to banning cub. I was told I was wrong, got laughed at, trolled, so on and so forth.

Then a user came by and trolled me. I banned her from my journal as is my right. She surpassed it and continued trolling...because she was an admin. Won't say who, don't care for her.

The point is that you should probably think heavily on how much time you actually had to refutiate this 'crime' before they slapped judgment on you. And how that kind of thinking wouldn't stand in any real court.

But then, hey, it's Norithics. You probably already have, you clever nut you. :3
cjh
cjh
6 years, 5 months ago
i tried to read their side of the conversation but all i could hear was fart noises and HUHHH HUHHHH HEHHHH HUHHHH heavy breathing as they jerked off to the ban log

i dunno man maybe i need to see a linguist
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Ffffhahaha

Those dialects can be hell to parse!
rolandguiscard
6 years, 5 months ago
FA: Run by children, for children!
Incaros
6 years, 5 months ago
Hey, you shouldn't say things like that. Children might be offended by the comparison.
ElfenSciuridae
6 years, 5 months ago
Three days suspension?

The problem I see that not that is was civil on your part (as it was in reading the posts), but its about you bending over and complying their demands which you refused.

I seen and been part of similar situations on other boards and what I say to that - Fuck'em! They want to police their boards from creative minds, its their loss. May they go the way of Furry World (died: Summer 1998 with 10milion members because of shit like this and one of the powers that be shut down the service entirely, because he could).

You're one of the best artists I seen, Norithics. But because of the art but because of the art and its content. Artists who conform to the wishes of the powers that be are not artists, but rather ass licking whimps who will do anything within their power to appease the powers that be to be recognized by them and not the gods and muses of creations.
InsecureFlaky
6 years, 5 months ago
From all the people I know from FA. I never expected to see you having issues with that site

However as many have stated that site is slowly sinking deeper. And the admins will only realize until is too late
They shall regret this mistake. Just give it some time
MeanFilene
6 years, 5 months ago
EXACTLY-- I never figured that Nori, that easygoing, charming dude would be having a problem. :F
LewLegend
6 years, 5 months ago
that's just bullcrap
Alfador
6 years, 5 months ago
I'm absolutely astounded. Amazed. Nay, flabbergasted.

...that it was only for three days. @_@
ScottyKat
6 years, 5 months ago
heh im not surprised. they wiped my gallery of cub and suspected cub are long ago.
I dont care how paranoid they are... I wont try to sabotage them.. they are doing it themselves.
KageRyuuUji
6 years, 5 months ago
Only reason I still have an FA account is that I plan to have humanoid nudes that may or may not be acceptable here, for reasons I still do not comprehend. The whole part of non-furries not being acceptable here is kinda retarded in it's own way, but definitely better than over at FA.

Regardless, I'm not saying what you said was wrong, however it was not Tactful, so it's obvious to me why an authorty figure on FA would feel insulted enough to push for your ban rather than accepting the validity of your claim. Though next time, lie through your teeth and state they are not cub and in fact adults, then offer some BS story of them being looked down upon for being so small and generally they'll leave you alone. Results do very.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
They're not a cop. I don't owe them social niceties, nor do I know them personally. Considering the context, I was about as polite as I could be.

Furthermore, it hurts them a lot more than it hurts me, so I can only even laugh at the idea of that manner of bootlicking.
KageRyuuUji
6 years, 5 months ago
They operate the site you used to use, it'd be like going to someone's house and arguing with them over their house rules.

Regardless, I understand how you feel.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Let's go with that analogy, then.

I was in their house, and they told me not to dress 'weird' while in their house. However, they insisted on not concretely defining 'weird,' while telling me that I should be able to use common sense to know what they meant. I continued to dress the way I do, and they let me, until one day a new guy arrives at the house and says I need to stop dressing weird. I tell that person that if it's such a problem, they can just remove all the clothing in my room that they think is 'weird.' They kick me out.

And I was supposed to respect this person? Hardly! Again, it doesn't matter enough for me to care!
KageRyuuUji
6 years, 5 months ago
You forget that "new" person still runs and operates the house you visited, so regardless you were in their house. But I don't care enough about this argument when the point is moot.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
I... don't know what your point was to begin with, really!
KageRyuuUji
6 years, 5 months ago
The point is if you don't want to be kicked off of someone else's site, obey the rules regardless of how ridiculous they are. And the point is moot because you've already been banned. Though I suppose if they give you back your account, you could still use this information. If you care enough to return.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Yeah, I couldn't obey the rules because they refused to define them.
KageRyuuUji
6 years, 5 months ago
Hence, ridiculous.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Indeed!
wolfespada
6 years, 5 months ago
Eh, don't let it get you down, man.
NeoAthena
6 years, 5 months ago
yea those admins are real dickheads i was banned 5 months ago for posting something my brother draw for me granted he traced it but they dident even hear me out
DarkFoxProjectX
6 years, 5 months ago
Fa has been goin down hill since the banning of mature cub work possibly even before then its sad...i have an account on there still but i don't submit  anything else there, i've pretty much moved to this account an im here to stay :3 i enjoy all kinds of artwork an the Fact FA used to be that way but now they've gotten "picky" or  "closed minded" or w/e its their own fault an loss i love to see ppl show their work an try their hardest an do something they enjoy an love,just gotta deal with the BS at times but those who refuse to give up will continue to work on what they enjoy an those who try an ban block or bitch about it will get pissed off knowing they won't win :P
heavy
6 years, 5 months ago
Don't worry.... They are sluts of US government! =D
EtherSaga
6 years, 5 months ago
Well said, sir. *golf clap*
jrc1120
6 years, 5 months ago
Wow, and I thought the admins on DeviantART were retarded.
sirkain
6 years, 5 months ago
Gah! Damnit FA... Oh well, you got your spot here and your fans will follow I hope.  Their loss, for sure.
Chaytel
6 years, 5 months ago
" Norithics wrote:
FA's random people arbitrarily put in administrative positions sorta-kinda caved to their own bad decision-making to actually half-assedly take a shot at enforcing the unenforceable rule they made but vaguely kind of didn't make.


Fixed that for ya, babe. Good on you for keeping it classy and simply asking Baz to enforce the rule, which of course they can't do or are too lazy to try. Also nice too see the new guys at FA continuing the proud administrative traditions of censorship and incompetence.
Clairissa
6 years, 5 months ago
Is that 3 days? I have no idea what the whole 0000.00.02 means.
GASP
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh wow. I believe that last picture should read "User suspended for refusing to do my job for me"

WolfeChan
6 years, 5 months ago
" MrGasp wrote:
Oh wow. I believe that last picture should read "User suspended for refusing to do my job for me"



Amen to that Brother!!!
Roxxas
6 years, 5 months ago
eh whatever. their jerks. and idiots. I mean really banning your stuff whilst allowing .. filth to accumlate all over the site
Flexible
6 years, 5 months ago
It's a pointless rule, they're merely attempting to maintain a positive look in the eyes of benefactors they couldn't get before.
Genwyn
6 years, 5 months ago
Pretty typical of the children moderators of FA, sorry it happened to you. :( Really wish that place would just die already.
lock444
6 years, 5 months ago
seriously its like getting into that "what is art" conversation with someone who if they feel like their losing the "argument" they can shove you out of the room XD

well heres hoping a bunch of rampaging loli sex fiends swarms their HQ and mercilessly pulls those sticks out of their asses ;)
Mackdog
6 years, 5 months ago
Ya... I still use FA for whatever, trying to dodge their AUP landmines (Having been once reprimanded over one trivial political image meant to make fun at Canadian politics, which was mistaken as a jab at FA, and was forcibly taken down with a stern talking to). I still use it, mainly to keep tabs on friends and pals.

IB, on the other hand... is my guilty pleasure.
DevasiaMentality
6 years, 5 months ago
I barely operate on most of the art sites that I frequent anyway, and FA is one I'm becoming less and less bothered with the longer these bullcrap rules are enforced. Granted Cub porn is not what draws me to this or any other site that permits, but when knowing the rules were changed because of laws or money or something along those lines, it does grate on my nerves.

Plus I've yet to meet a single admin anywhere that I thought was on the level, though my history in that regard has given me a rather biased disposition.
ShanetheFreestyler
6 years, 5 months ago
And again FA proves how they love to suspend and outright ban anyone who even is even vaguely believed to be in violation. :/
AlexReynard
6 years, 5 months ago
<shakes head> If, when a person proves you wrong, your reaction is to punish them, then you have showed yourself to be a cowardly, worthless piece of shit who should be tarred to a busy intersection and run over by fat men on riding lawnmowers.

You have my empathy, Nori. I've been there, done that, and got the t-shirt.
Sheylyra
6 years, 5 months ago
I saw it comming that you would comment on that Alex. >^.^<

I think we both have the same oppinion about the peeps that run FA atm.

Hey Nori, if Alex gives you an advice, hear him out, he is the coolest and wisest guy i know.

Sheylyra
AlexReynard
6 years, 5 months ago
Awww, thank you much.

Actually, it may not be a good idea to take my advice. After all, I pissed them off to the point where they gave me a temporary suspension ...for ten years. <rolls eyes>
FuzzFace
6 years, 5 months ago
I believe FA still has a place for furies. why, if not for them, it would be on IB's shoulders to carry all the furry porn on the web. basically speaking, storage space is a necessity, and that's something FA has brought to the table.
Rhemora
6 years, 5 months ago
the dream police they live inside of your head? >.>

Really though I guess it was only a matter of time till someone did something.
Waccoon
6 years, 5 months ago
So you weren't actually banned... just suspended.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
So far.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Though I've always heard perma-ban and temp-ban, so it's all just banning to me. The idea of 'suspensions' is weird and newfangled.
humbird0
6 years, 5 months ago
Looks like it'll take 24 hours for them to finish sifting through the gallery as you suggested.
In the meantime, it seems to be out of your hands.
After all, you cannot remove pictures from an account that you have no access to.
YukiAkuma
6 years, 5 months ago
I don't think there's much I can say that hasn't already been said. So um.

Thank goodness for Ink Bunny?
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh everyone here bashing FA... without FA, IB probably never would have come to fruition. Think about that for awhile.

And Baz is a new admin, he just got the word over the weekend about it. He's a good guy too. You know you've got some, potentially questionable characters Norithics, this shouldn't be all that surprising. I'm kind of surprised at all the vitriol flowing against FA here though. It's not their fault the laws are written such as they are and Dragoneer doesn't want to risk the liabilities he might face from cub art. I'm a fan of cub art, obviously, but even I understand it's in a legal grey area here in the US.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
You're right, without FA worsening and bloating painfully under the weight of its own userbase, IB wouldn't exist! I don't know what that really says, though.

I don't care about this guy or whether he's Hitler or Jesus. He left himself wide open for criticism by handling that hilariously from a purely professional standpoint. I wasn't surprised! I just told him to do it because I don't have the censorship cheat sheet, and apparently that was worthy of punishment... but not enough to actually matter.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
That's not what I said and you know it, don't be an ass yo :V. I've never once had problems with FA, same as many other people. You just have to see it from Dragoneer's standpoint. I've never really talked to the guy, but I understand why adult cub art is no longer allowed there. It could have been handled better, yes, but sometimes decisions have to be made quickly. That's the pains of being the owner of a site sometimes. There's no need to be confrontational about it.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
That's a load of crap. What decision? The one to ban artwork that in no way allowed them to get another payment processor after the damage had been done? It's because the decision was made quickly, hastily, without research or analysis, that it was so poor. There is no sage wisdom to be had, because it was done off of gut instinct- the same gut instinct they're trying and failing to codify now.

Also, I don't see what's so confrontational about it. He said 'remove this stuff,' I said "You do it, I don't know what you want," and here we are.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
You're being confrontational with me, I didn't say anything about being confrontational with Baz/FA. I really don't appreciate it.

I like your art. But, again, you're already aware some of your characters/art is questionable, you admitted as such. Don't blame FA for enforcing their policies.

But whatever, I'm not gonna argue about it. You're welcome to your views and your opinions. I'm just questioning the motives of the community at large when there's so much unbridled vitriol for a site over one thing that everyone should be well aware of is in a legal grey area in the US.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Confrontational? Hardly. If you wanted to pass judgement on the whole of this userbase, you could've- but you invoked my name, and thus, my response! I don't know what you were particularly expecting when you tried to scold me for something I haven't done- namely, be surprised that they're enforcing it. I'm well aware that they're doing it; the methodology is what's piss-poor.

Also, this idea of legal grey area is something cooked up by the feds to scare everyone into policing themselves, much like FA is hoping for. In reality, the legal precedence for these types of cases have either been no-contest (which proves nothing, literally nothing) or have been thrown on top of additional charges. In reality, trying to pin someone for an imaginary crime- and one regarding something as subjective as art, no less!- is a prosecutor's worst nightmare. Not to mention that the feds are well aware of these kinds of websites already- if they thought it was worth their time, they'd already have moved in.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
You're welcome to your opinions then, I can't change them. You told Baz to do what he feels is necessary, and he did. And thus you face the consequences, such as they are.

I had pictures removed too. The ones with Sherly that are in my gallery here. I didn't argue the point though.

I still like your art, but I really feel you're going about this the wrong way. But I'm not going to argue anymore about it. Do as you see fit, it's your call.
Issarlk
6 years, 5 months ago
Even if we ignore the suspension message for a second, I don't see how it's necessary to suspend someone for 3 days in order to clean his gallery. It's not like Norithics would have reuploaded each picture just as the admin deleted them ; he seems like a reasonable person, unlike the clown who suspended him.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
You're making pretty big assumptions about Baz there man :V. He's a pretty responsible duder from what I know.
Mewtwolover
6 years, 5 months ago
" Norithics wrote:
That's a load of crap. What decision? The one to ban artwork that in no way allowed them to get another payment processor after the damage had been done? It's because the decision was made quickly, hastily, without research or analysis, that it was so poor.
I agree with that. Alertpay also dropped SoFurry but they didn't banned cub stuff.
Daneasaur
6 years, 5 months ago
There is some new Admin on FA who honestly likes taking anything veaguly questionable and flagging it, then if someone objects to the flag, they ban them.

Seriously, someone there has a superioroty complex.
MichaelHiggs
6 years, 5 months ago
I pretty much stopped postin
g there last year. Only have an account there to watch others that still do. I get more feed back from my art here than over there anyways.
sangaire
6 years, 5 months ago
you were in the right asking for clarification he was the one that was fucked up.
Mohiten
6 years, 5 months ago
From what I've read of the conversations, yea - admin isn't doing any good to his reputation by flagrantly temp-banning people who say "Do your job".

I don't care for cub art myself - I don't think sexual activities between minors or adults and minors is acceptable (including depictions of such). Period. Going by my own definition, there is nothing in your gallery on FA that I'd find offensive. Suggestive, certainly. But nothing that, by my straight and narrow definition, I could get offended by. It's also a plus that you have plenty of adult characters doing naughty things to distract me from the few and far-between works with your child-prodigy-psychologist (which aren't all that bad, and even hilarious).

I also have to agree - ambiguous definitions leave room for rules lawyering on the part of the prosecuted, and by the looks of things, FA admins (however new) seem to fight back with a heavier hand as a result - instead of fixing the problem by clearly defining their own AUP.
Woolfbeard
6 years, 5 months ago
hm... Well I am still a member on FA even though I am not an artist but since the"cub-policy" of FA I created my IB-account, so it was worth it. :3
yiharbin
6 years, 5 months ago
I got suspended for like literally a week for drawing porn while age blocked

I thaught it just meant I couldn't look it up
(I was only doing a request, I am not THAT into porn, lol)


but, still.... their reaction was bull. They are saying since I am a minor, I cant DRAW porn.
and then they go through my gallery and take out anything they really feel like (they said they only took out the porn, but they deleted some very innocent stuff too, and it was absolutely infuriating!)
Glendening
6 years, 5 months ago
I figure between InkBunny and Hentai-Foundry we have decent replacements for anything FA could have provided. Heck even so-furry is trying to revamp and try to become useful once again.
Amaterasu
6 years, 5 months ago
every week one of my watches is getting banned so the 'FA IS SHIT' bandwagon has kinda passed for me.

I still think its garbage but im kinda done dealing with it.

i am pretty sure that FA is governed by enough twisted Admins to make it a bad site, but also the sheer number of users it has over inkbunny and so-furry. that being said i do not think they will ban their top watched users (Blotch, DCrabbit, Etc.) because that would cause a huge loss in users.

but who knows. in the world of IB vs FA, Fa still sadly wins because it has been here longer, but Inkbunny will get big soon and hopefully wont get so big that the admin here turn sour like back on FA.
Shapeshifter
6 years, 5 months ago
verbally slap the administration -> suspension/kick, if not ban

that's how it is :P

But I really like how you... "hit" them :3
GunslingerDragon
6 years, 5 months ago
Ah joy. Yet at the same time on my journal list here is a complaint about admins deeming a pokemon picture with nurse joy, fully clothed and whatnot in the background with an "oh my!" facial expression, as including a human in a sexual situation and removing it. That same nebulous (or nebulously applied) definitions seem to be in effect around here, but instead with regards to humans.

That's one of the reasons I haven't really used Inkbunny, most of what I draw is very humanoid, and I don't feel like trying to figure out their definitions of things here. Maybe I'll eventually put some stuff here and just see what happens with it.
Chaytel
6 years, 5 months ago
I dunno. That seems pretty clear-cut. If it's the picture I'm thinking of, there's sex going on in the picture's foreground. It's not between humans, but by virtue of her being there, she's a human in a sexual situation, as the observer. It's certainly a much easier rule to define and enforce than FA's nebulous mess, in any case. If nothing else, The IB administration is trying to work on ways to relax and or eventually eliminate the rule, as I understand. Even if they never do, at least it's a clearly stated rule that's been around from the start, and not some random thing foisted on the userbase suddenly and without warning for reasons that were demonstrably untrue.
GunslingerDragon
6 years, 5 months ago
Good point, and quite true. It still leaves a bit of room for interpretation, in my mind, but far less so than FA's policies where that room for interpretation is pretty much a good chunk of the rule.

Nice to hear that they're possibly maybe trying to get rid of that, the whole vibe of "we don't want no dirty stinkin' humans here!" is what has kind of put me off of using inkbunny.
Cambot123
6 years, 5 months ago
Well, it looks like it's time to move some pics to here. (I did save a few of your Tailsko pics) and when you do break them here, if you want FA users to see them, don't block the guests please (I wouldn't)
Shokuji
6 years, 5 months ago
My experience with FA recently: https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3144254/
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh hoho wow. How do they fail to actually remove anything of mine, but they go Gestapo on you?
Shokuji
6 years, 5 months ago
No idea, but it spawned this rant I originally posted on FA but figured I should remove it before they suspend/ban me as well:
" Before I begin, remember that if I didn't care about this place I'd just leave silently and let this place implode on itself. The people who complain are the people who still care enough to stand up and say something because they'd like to see things change for the better. So if you're considering bashing me for what I'm about to say, realize you'll only be bashing someone who actually cares. That said, here we go:

I've been on this site for a solid 5 years but I can't say that things have gotten any better since the day I arrived. The site seems just as old & broken as it's always been, with features commonly talked about but never seeing the light of day. Donations were poorly invested into quickly outdated hardware, not even a couple of years ago the users of this site donated well over $10k after the servers died for good & now we're back where we started with outdated equipment being overloaded with traffic from a inefficiently written site.

Policies have never been solidified, users are always dealing with ever changing upload polices and the mods interpretation of them. Extremely poor staffing decisions by the site owner, not holding their staff to the high-bar needed to moderate a site like this one, as well as employing their fiancee as a mod which is a blinding example of conflict of interest. The staff shoots first and asks questions later, having removed countless submissions without contacting the user who uploaded them to clarify any possible misunderstandings.

I've witnessed several occasions where someone trolls (harasses) another user and nothing happens to them, one of which I personally submitted the ticket; no staff responded to it for months and then told me it was too late to do anything about it. There has also been huge breaches in security and privacy, beyond the leaking of private messages for everyone to see, the site owner has also silently implemented (what I would consider) spyware that follows you off-site collecting information about what you buy so that the originating site gets a commission. Speaking of off-site, mods are known to snoop around other furry sites as well as Facebook specifically to dig up dirt on you.

How many blind eyes can one turn? How much can anyone ignore? No site is perfect but this one has so many marks against it any time they do anything else controversial or just plain wrong no one thinks anything of it; it's just another drop in the bucket. The only reason people cite for staying on FA is because of how many watchers they have, or because all their friends are here. Traffic is the only strong point for popular artists and common users both! Not the features of the website, not the reliability of it's up-time, not the sensibility of the staff...

As long as the mentality of users are "I don't care about their morality until I get banned myself so I have no reason to switch websites." (real quote, btw) I suppose FA won't have to worry about losing their traffic. And don't forget, judging by how the staff runs this place, how they abuse our privacy to quietly sell us out for commissions, and all the other things I've brought up above... you are nothing more than 'traffic' to them.

Thanks for reading and allowing me to share my concerns through free speech & civil disobedience.


And, if you'd like to read a bit deeper into this, I have a private (friends-only) journal I'd like to share with you (if you're willing to accept my friend request) saying some things I'd rather not make truly public just yet. No worries if you're not interested but I figured I'd offer to share. =)
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Yeah, the first time I left FA, it was due to harassment from the userbase. That subsided, so I returned.
Now? I think it's definitely a sinking ship at this point, I don't think I'm coming back.
Shokuji
6 years, 5 months ago
As you can read, I feel the same way. X3
That said: Welcome to Inkbunny! =p
Cambot123
6 years, 5 months ago
" Norithics wrote:
Yeah, the first time I left FA, it was due to harassment from the userbase. That subsided, so I returned.
Now? I think it's definitely a sinking ship at this point, I don't think I'm coming back.


Well, I guess when the time of you ban wheres off, tell them you moved again.
kyecoonvox
6 years, 5 months ago
I'm honestly surprised they haven't try-ed to ban some one for having cub art on a nother site yet    FA- you have cub porns on ink bunny account delete it or we will ban you from fa >>:E
kyecoonvox
6 years, 5 months ago
>.> gusse i was a bit late to say that looking at shokujis reply >.<[
Shokuji
6 years, 5 months ago
Webster
6 years, 5 months ago
'Neer's latest journal shows he's looking at various AUP bits to refine. FA seems to be in a bit of a one step forward one step back cycle. Hopefully it'll get better.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
It takes 30 steps back to make a single step forward. No thanks.
threyon
6 years, 5 months ago
Crap, not more bonehed admins on FA! DX
SpaceCat
6 years, 5 months ago
FA is run by a bunch of retards who somehow think they are the only fur-art site on the net. I stopped posting my works there last week. you'll get more love here on IB anyway :P
Echoen
6 years, 5 months ago
I asked Dragoneer himself about this. The reply: "There is more to this story than was posted here."
Chaytel
6 years, 5 months ago
I think I could ask Dragoneer what he ate for breakfast and that would be his reply. He's got a keyboard macro to type that out for him by now. Constantly fail to pay IronPath on time and lose the host. 'More to the story than posted here.' Covering up possible rape committed by massively popular member. 'More to the story than posted here.'  etc. etc. Considering I live in the same house as Nori and have access to the same computer, I have just as much access to that chain of notes as Dragoneer does. The story was what got posted here. Admin makes bad call, hilarity ensues. It's not like this isn't a weekly thing on FA.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
If there was, then it was on the scheming backroom end of things where I can't see! =D Because everything you see here was the limit of my interactions.There was no secret handshake or omitted conversations or anything- full disclosure. I sent two notes and came back suspended.
WolfeChan
6 years, 5 months ago
Wow I wish I could be half as Eloquent as some of the people here but I tend to speak from the heart and that is not the place eloquince comes from it would seem! :)
EdwardHowton
6 years, 5 months ago
I, who do not do art, had a run-in with the admins as well. I used to have in my Scraps a picture I took of my Mount&Blade character bristling with arrows, crossbow bolts, javelins, and throwing axes, both front and back, which I framed and put one of those demotivational-style captions on it.

That picture was pulled because I didn't own the rights to the contents.

However, in my scraps, I currently have a photomanipulation of the Sistine Chapel's ceiling mixed with the Birth of Venus, so that instead of reaching to bearded sky-daddy Adam is instead reaching towards Venus's naughty bits.

Somehow, that picture wasn't pulled, even though I don't own the rights to the contents, and even though it's been there longer than I kept the M&B one.

Also oddly, the M&B one was up for about a year, and if it in fact violated guidelines, then it violated year-old guidelines.

I think whichever admin is on duty that day is on either swing of his bipolar disorder is appropriate and feels bored and wants to try being a power-corrupted douchebag.

I think I got locked out too for asking why the other picture wasn't removed as well. No response, just childish "DON'T QUESTION MY AUTHORITY" ban-hammering, like here.

I prefer FA's layout to InkBunny's, but there's no arguing that it's run by a bunch of petty navel-oriented dicks. I wonder if they're unionized.
Nightdrifter
6 years, 5 months ago
Based on the title I thought you were permanently prevented from your limited participation within the FA community. Actually, your only gone for a while.

Still, it is ridiculous that the rule insists that its up to the discretion of the administration, yet nobody of proper rank or title wants to bother sifting through the galleries for what they feel might be a bother. They expect other uses to be psychic and know exactly what bugs them and continue to make constant changes until it is up to the specific standards of that admin/mod. Oh of course then there might be another one that has a different opinion, and wants MORE stuff to be removed because this one just doesn't like Gwen showing up in some of the less suggestive images that the first one looked over, but simply cannot tolerate it, so you'd be forced to clean up again . If they have a problem with something they may as well just get the job done themselves and inform the user of such. Not expect the users to do it for them.

Moderators moderate, they should be doing their job, not punishing those who do not do it for them.

You were right to say no.

I've seen actual banned users for the same reason though, while I'm not saying you should be relieved, it could have been worse.

Keep on rockin' Nori.

MajinK
6 years, 5 months ago
And that makes....I think 20 of the artists I follow now booted from FA. Well, I still follow you here, and I'm pretty damn sure every single one of your FA followers is here too, so no worries on that
Anu
Anu
6 years, 5 months ago
fuck the polis.

Let's start a riot :V
Ein
Ein
6 years, 5 months ago
Can't say as I'm a fan of over here either, though I do keep an account here to watch some artists. I can't bring myself to actually post anything here. If only there was some magical website that like, let you post whatever you wanted so long as it wasn't blatantly illegal, and had working filters so you could turn certain kinds of images off.

I know I could do with seeing less diaper, vore and guro. But other people do and what the hell. Leave em to it.
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Um, why don't you put those in your filters, then??
Ein
Ein
6 years, 5 months ago
Oh, I do, where available. But it's not always full proof depending on site. And not all these gallery sites have the option to do so.
AlexReynard
6 years, 5 months ago
Hey Nori, just read your conversation with Luca. It tickled me pink.

Him: I'm afraid you'll find that you are wrong about simply everything.
You: No, you're wrong.
Him: Egads! Don't take that beastly tone with me!
You: Um, all I did is what you did. Except I proved my points with facts.
Him: Well, I never! I cannot bear this abuse any longer. You obviously got what you deserved!

I love how 'you have a right to your own opinion' has become the new way to say 'you're a fucktard'.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
oh shush you =p
AlexReynard
6 years, 5 months ago
Well, you did act rather foppish. Never bring a scuffle to another man's page if you don't already have your dukes up to block. ;)
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
Especially because I'm a cheapass and will just keep spamming Tiger Uppercuts.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
nigga that's hella gay :V

and then I use nothing but Clawpomb goats everywhere. MORE OBSCURE GAME REFERENCE.
AlexReynard
6 years, 5 months ago
I don't know what you're referencing, so I'm just picturing you punching a guy and your fists are actually tiger heads.

...Actually, that sounds like something they'd do for an Old Spice commercial.
lucashoal
6 years, 5 months ago
It's a Street Fighter reference. Sagat specifically, apparently.
Meclio
6 years, 4 months ago
That's even worse than Ryu The Hadoken Boy D: Nori, you scary!
jimwormmaster
6 years, 5 months ago
Meh, I haven't been keeping up with my FA submissions in ages anyways.  I check the flashes occasionally, but the submissions queue has just been piling up.  Due to the AUP crap and all that, I just kinda shift it to the back of the list.
Rikmach
6 years, 4 months ago
So, when the ban expires, will any pictures be removed?  Or will they stand by their policy of "We're too lazy to do it"?
HypnoFire86
6 years, 4 months ago
Crap, I actually took the time to remove my stuff from FA.... Should've left it for those retards to deal with.  Oh well, I'm comfortable here in my new home on IB
LupineAssassin
6 years, 4 months ago
*HUG* You'll get through this.
Drbigt
6 years, 4 months ago
Inkbunny has some really silly rules about humans too but the difference is that their admins and staff working are mature inviduals and by the end of the day, you will walk out of the conversation with one satisfied.
Deadreaver
6 years, 4 months ago
WoW :D Hope they have da music ready!
PrawoJazdy
6 years, 4 months ago
Have you considered the protest move of changing your FA icon to match the InkBunny default? The more visible such a protest is, the more obvious that there's a message.

(I insecurely think that wasn't clear. Your IB icon would remain what it is, but your FA icon would change to IB's default.)
LisaSkunk
6 years, 4 months ago
I agree with what you wrote. *hugs*
xeminic
6 years, 4 months ago
i totally agree with what you wrote, i also got banned from fa also on the grounds of my ex girlfriend and her friends complaining constantly about my account, out of nowhere i got a 3 day suspension, then a 5  day, then a 30, and then permabanned  now here is the crazy thing, during the time increase, i was unable to even login (which is the idea of a suspension) and yet the timer was going up for no apparent reason, i shot off an email to the mods and asked why am i getting increased suspension even though im already suspended, well i found out after a good time later that my ex had made a nice giant hey everyone report this person journal for about an hour and the mods didnt even take my side of of the story.

now after being banned, i went to a few other sites, and guess whom followed. the ex and her friends.

but there is my 2 cents on being banned. i wonder if their is any others like my little tale
Meclio
6 years, 4 months ago
Neh, I mostly don't like having to make accounts all over the place. But when I heard that you had gone Nori I decided I had to make one for here. I'd pondered it before, so it wasn't a big deal. I just knew I'd miss your quirky humor and intelligence too much if I didn't.

I can't say I'd have been any different with that admin. I don't suffer fools any more lightly than you do and the fact of the matter is that admins and mods sometimes develop the habit of taking claims at face value and not truly paying attention. Or, as you said, want you to police yourself. I had a somewhat similar sort of thing happen to me once where I wound up butting heads with an admin, but that admin (for a different site) was a lot more reasonable when I confronted them about it.

The issue was basically that I had harassed a user somehow, I claimed some bias and that they had not read what I wrote, and in the end they read what I wrote and realized I was right. That's the abridged version of course with some softer language. The point is that I'm with you on holding the staff of a site to their responsibilities and talking to them like people, not some almighty figure.

Do I think you could have policed yourself? Maybe. You're a smart fella. You could have even chosen to err on the safe side. But that's not really the issue. Things aren't well defined and it isn't your job. Not to mention that the policy is rather pointless as I'm sure you've been over numerous times.

So, basically I guess I'm saying... I respect your principles and can't really blame you, I had to keep following you cause you're awesome, and god damn it I had to make another account- I hate having so many accounts.
Norithics
6 years, 4 months ago
I know exactly what you mean, multiple accounts are like multiple club cards- just cluttering up your wallet and being one more thing to remember. =P

But yeah! It really just is the principle of it.
Meclio
6 years, 4 months ago
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. It's like club cards. And you're leaving more finger prints all over the internet XD which may not be the greatest thing that could happen.

I hope IB treats you well cause it'd be a shame to one day come to the internet and have no Nori stuffs.
Milkie
6 years, 4 months ago
Well ain't that some shit?

I don't frequent IB much, mostly because I don't watch many artists here. To be honest, you are pretty much the only thing in my inbox, and this new and unfamiliar site has me wondering just what of mine I can post. After all, pretty much 0% of my stuff was actually drawn by me.

I was wondering what had happened to you, but I didn't check your page. Saw you sign in and out of the occasional messaging service, but even then I still didn't talk to you. I reeeeally should have. >_>;

Well, my IB will pretty much always be here. Might take some time for me to get my ass on it, but I'll keep up well enough with you and your art this way... though I may learn/see things much later than their actual posting.
AlexanderValentine
6 years, 3 months ago
The day FA goes down, I will weep tears of precious joy, knowing that the Dictatorneer and His Compatriots have failed...

Again.
Toneless
6 years, 3 months ago
I had a similar experience with deviantArt.  Administrator not communicating.
If an administrator sees a problem with it, then the administrator should explain and discuss with the poster.  Ideally.  Yeah, I know, there are only so many hours in a day and so many admins.  But still - if there isn't time to explain, discuss, or do their job, then they should skip it altogether ... come back when they have the time.

However, you who criticise them for the basic rule of no underage sexual images: do so under the knowledge that it is required by law in some places.  Yes, drawings.  Illegal. Marks on paper: I think it's a really stupid, bad law in all sorts of ways. I think everyone should oppose it and flaunt it and fight against inaninty.  But when it's a law, that reduces my indignation against those who cave in.
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