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ThaPig

You can't learn talent.

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Today I was talking to an old lady friend of mine who is half my shrink and half my adopted mother.
We often talk about my personal issues and I appreciate her advice.

We talked about my art and she has the opinion that I could be a successful artist if I had more confidence in myself. Which is partially but not entirely true.

I was saying the chances I ever land an art job is very small considering my age and lack of formal art education compared with all the young and well-prepared artists I would have to compete against.

Of course, she loves me and she thinks my art is the greatest ever, but she has no frame of reference, so I showed her some of the best furry art here to help her understand how many artists are out there who are much better than me. She was really impressed by some of the stuff so I explained her some basics of digital art and how I'm way behind the average in my digital and 3D art skills.

So she insisted I could be as good as them if I try hard enough and learned to use the same computer programs as the good artists.I tried to explain that even if I learned to use the programs and techniques I could still not be that good, because the main thing is not what program you use, is your artistic talent.

However I had problems explaining that part in words.

It's not as easy as it sounds, because talent is a hard thing to define. For the layman it looks very easy, you just have to learn whatever program they use and you'll doing stuff that looks like theirs.

So this is the way I tried to put it.

I could spend several years studying music theory until I recognize every note on the scale and how to play it in a piano, but I would still not be capable of composing like Mozart.

I could learn everything that there is about the technical part of singing opera, but that would not give me the voice of Caruso.

I would practice running every day and never grow the legs of an Olympic athlete.


There are things that are not learned, there is something there that is not acquired with either theory or practice. There is a little knack there that some people have and other's not.

I have my own knack for some particular kinds of art (like silly cartoony comics) but I know I don't have what it takes for some other styles, like realistic painting or porn. I just don't have it. I could get kind of close with lots of practice, but I would still need a great effort just to produce something mediocre in genres where other artists are naturals.

Talent is not a learned skill or a reflex you gain by practice. There is a little something there that you are kind of born with it.

Don't you think?

Do you agree with me?

How would you define talent if you had to explain it to my friend?


P.S: Yeah, I showed a 75-year-old lady porns, including but not limited to things she didn't know existed like futanari and hardcore anthro versions of MLP, which she found amusing too.
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Added: 5 years, 6 months ago
 
nehmyncolad
5 years, 6 months ago
Vincent van Gogh is talent. Never envied him.
ThaPig
5 years, 6 months ago
I would cut my ear off to have his talent...   oh, wait...
Simic
5 years, 6 months ago
Talent is based on your methodology and your abilities. In short, you know what method to draw parts in the sketch, inking and color.

There is a young artist around my age is kosperry
She is a very talented young artist despite her age.  
Simic
5 years, 6 months ago
Talent to me is a nature vs nurture topic. Either you born with a talent or you gets talent by doing it. Talent and IQ are equal to how many efforts you take and know how to be efficient in it.

Example in your drawing, you know how to sketch the drawing, but the inking is a big difference in digital art; therefore, you have to keep track of your progress of drawing. Later you do flat flat color and you can choose cell shade or soft shade. As long you are ambition and not complacent.  The part in the drawing is this, you have to use adobe photoshop or other photoshop for the special effects.
Waccoon
5 years, 6 months ago
Yeah, I agree.  Skill and talent are not the same thing.  It's a lot more complicated than "you need more practice" or "you're not trying hard enough".

My basis for accepting my limitations is not how much time I've put into something, but how much it interests me.  If I really, really like something and do it regularly as a hobby, and I still suck at it, that's a pretty good indication that I'm not naturally talented.  I've been touch-typing every day for 30 years, but my 8-year-old niece types way faster and more accurately than I do.  I spent a year taking up the banjo because I love the instrument and music dearly, but I can't play even the simplest songs worth crap because my hands are just not the right size (I should probably try a bass guitar some day).  I used to draw regularly, and I did get better, but once college was around the corner, I knew I'd never be able to improve fast enough to compete for a job.  As far a stand-alone pictures are concerned (not comic strips) I stopped drawing regularly since 2008.  I knew I had no future in art other than an occasional indulgence.

Yet, there's a lot of stuff that I do really well, and, ironically, I hate doing it.  I was a warehouse dispatcher for almost 10 years and worked my way up to $20/hr.  I was really good at it, despite having no prior experience, but I despised the job and eventually quit.  It was driving me into a massive depression, even though I was making good money and did the job well (well, corporate modernization didn't help, of course).  I'm also good at a lot of computer stuff, but f**k me if I'm getting a job doing that garbage.  The world changed, and nobody wants what I can do.  I can't stand working with computers anymore.  I can't un-learn the old, proper way of doing things and follow the latest fashion trends.

Sometimes I wish I could forget all the things I know and get some skill credits I could apply to something else!  Yes, it's very hard explaining to people that just because you're good at X, doesn't mean you can easily learn Y.
Norithics
5 years, 6 months ago
"Talent" is a term derived of a certain kind of meritocracy. What's good is decided by what's popular, and there's really very little else to it. Mozart sounds like shit to many people, because enjoyment of art is subjective- and this is a feature, not a bug. Popular artists and people who analyze them decided what "talent" means and anything else isn't even considered.
ThaPig
5 years, 6 months ago
I disagree. Mozart was a genius no matter what opinion people may have about his music. He composed symphonies at the age many kids are still learning to read and write. Even if you hate his music, you have to admit composing it requires complex mental processes that are beyond the ability of a regular child.

He had objectively demonstrable talent that had nothing to do with popular opinions.

Many people also have talent in things that are totally unpopular among their peers. Doing complex calculations has never been a popular pastime among the masses, but we have heard of many people who have a natural talent for mathematics.

By that standard, we could say people like Charles Darwin and Alber Einstein had no talent for science because their theories were widely rejected when first exposed to the world.
Norithics
5 years, 6 months ago
All of your metrics are subjective. There's nothing objective about any of those value judgements, because ultimately it's a circular argument: They have talent because they're good, they're good because they have merit, they have merit because they're talented; there's no off-ramp that actually engages on any objective provable ground.

That isn't to say that people can't develop their skills at things, but skill isn't talent.
ThaPig
5 years, 6 months ago
If someone has a natural ability to do something easier than the rest, that's not subjective. The talent is there regardless of being appreciated or not by the rest of mankind.

Take the example of Jimmi Hendrix. He had a natural talent to play guitar even before he had ever touched a guitar. As a kid, he mimicked playing guitar with a broom. Nobody in the universe could judge if he had talent or not because the music was inside his head. The day he had an actual guitar in his hands the world became aware of the talent... but the talent had been there all the time.
Keeran
5 years, 6 months ago
I can agree and disagree on the case of talent being something that is not learnable. Some people have a natural talent  based on their family's occupation.  Others,  are believed to be talented due to their ethnic backgrounds,  but even then, it's not easily determined whether or not it's genetic or due to the exposure of that field.

Believe it or not,  When I first  saw Danbooru/Pixiv,  I believed that All Japanese people are really good at art and drawing anime, but throughout the years of browsing, I noticed some people aren't actually good at all.

but  funnily enough,  I had a friend form High School who was a Japanese exchange student, and what she told me is that most people end up imitating other people's works until  they can mimic those  features and apply it to their work.

In conclusion,  I see talent being the ability to pick up or learn a skill easier than others. But Talent isn't  enough to make you a great artist. If you don't have the aptitude,  you'll always be stuck on your talent, never growing from your experience.
SenGrisane
5 years, 6 months ago
You can earn a living as an artist no matter how bad or good you are, but doing so requires striking just the right cord at the right time and/or meeting the right people. One Punch Man was not very well drawn, but it was the right thing at the right time.
But its like with becoming famous on general. Pretty much everyone can do it, but the chances are tiny and there is a lot of luck involved.

As far as creating good art goes, being talented helps of course, but learning theory and practice are still a big factor. Passion for your craft and willingness to improve will get you farther in the long run. If you are talented and passionate that enhances the progress of course.

If you were to try to get work at some studio, you would much likely have a hard time. One part of learning to draw professionally is that you get a network you can use to find work.
ThaPig
5 years, 5 months ago
I gave up making money out of my art a long time ago. I just know I can't do it. But that part has little to do with talent, I really hated drawing another person's idea, if it doesn't come from me it's painful.

The network part is also true. I never had any formal art education, but I had my network of artists who did stuff together... the problem is they are all dead now.
bulletcrow
5 years, 6 months ago
I think the main thing is to do what you like, but be willing to expand out on your ideas of what you like.
Don't worry too much about what you think other people will think of you after you do some porn or fetish work.
Also, don't worry about trying different styles just for the hell of it.
ThaPig
5 years, 5 months ago
"Doing what I like" it what I'm doing now (at least artistically) but my point was how many people assume an artist can just become super excellent at art just by "working hard at it".
GreenPika
5 years, 6 months ago
the world "talent" in this day and age usually means, you can put the ball in the hoop. Now I have serious differentiation between that and the ability to create original material which I call that being a creator. Many copy. Many practice. Many fain being a creator but few are actually the real deal. The real deal is something you are born with. it's something you can't learn. you either have it or don't. Having talked to you a good bit, I think you have some creator in you. This is why I always encourage you not to give up, even though I sadly lack any monetary reason to give to.
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