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by Kepora

I just got called a "Nazi supporter" and kicked out of a Discord for saying that Neo-nazis, as idiotic as they are (and I even SAID they were idiots in the conversation), have the right to hold their beliefs. Which they literally do under the American constitution, and that Antifa only gave them a platform to stand on by bringing violence into the equation.

Let me reiterate.

I got called a "Nazi supporter" and kicked because I inferred that we don't get to pick and choose who the 1st Amendment applies to. So long as someone doesn't act on those beliefs (the law-breaking ones anyways) or openly call for violence (which ANTIFA has done nothing but, AND acted upon), your speech is protected. You have the right to hold whatever beliefs you want.

I mean...Nazi Germany was famous for it's openness to other beliefs, wasn't it?

...wasn't it?

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HellDoradoLion

5 years, 6 months ago

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lol its not even worth it..... those guys are just a bunch of uptight wussies.... can't even handle a differing opinion

Kepora

5 years, 5 months ago

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@ HellDoradoLion

It's not even a differing opinion. It's literally the US constitution.

TonyRingtail

5 years, 6 months ago

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^ THIS^

Jimbear

5 years, 6 months ago

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You should know better than to try and intermingle with a bunch of retards. x'D

(By the way, do you have a Telegram? I tried to find you, but the username doesn't pop up in the search.)

Kepora

5 years, 6 months ago

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@ Jimbear

@ Kepora, though I pay a lot more attention to Discord.

KevinSnowpaw

5 years, 6 months ago

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Children have a very poor grasp on reality or the complicated nuanced spectrum that freedom of thought represents.

Political Progressives are mentally and often literally children. They often become conservative or classically Liberal as they age.

it's best not to even TRY if you disrupt there echo chamber your a heretic!

the people worth talking to are the ones who can disagree with your opinion but still want to here it. "I dont like what you have to say so be silent" is a red flag.

Shevek

5 years, 6 months ago

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@ KevinSnowpaw

I don't think the blame should be put on children. If any age is to be blamed it's rather 16-30. Kids are the ones that care least about politics, I think. They have better things to do.

KevinSnowpaw

5 years, 6 months ago

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@ Shevek

That age range is exactly what i was infering man

NeksusCat

5 years, 6 months ago

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Most people nowadays are uneducated and dismannered, they can't take other opinions than theirs, if they do not like something, they try to destroy it or throw it out.
Every word might offend someone in some way, because people became such a sensitive pussies, that they can't handle being offended.

Vel

5 years, 6 months ago

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First amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

It does not guarantee the safety of groups that preach hated and bigotry. It specifically guarantees your right to protest the government.

Not saying that a misunderstanding of what the first amendment applies to makes you sympathetic to Nazis, but you are giving them unearned validity when you spread misinformation.

Kepora

5 years, 5 months ago

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@ Vel

"	or abridging the freedom of speech,

It does right there. The only speech that isn't protected are explicit calls to violence. You're free to say whatever else you want, regardless of how tactless and distasteful it is. If you're trying to silence someone who isn't doing that one excluded thing, then you are in the wrong. If someone puts forth bad ideas in the open marketplace of ideas, you right them with better ones. Trying to just silence them pushes them into the darkened corners where they fester unchallenged with a platform to stand on. It's how the Weimar Republic tried to handle things, and look how that turned out.

Vel

5 years, 5 months ago

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@ Kepora

That entire sentence is all one idea, speak about, write about, get together in protest of, and petition, specifically the government itself. And that's just a guideline for making laws, there is nothing there protecting people from the consequences of your speech.

Zarphus

5 years, 6 months ago

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the simplest, most distinct way to draw the line here is
"your rights end exactly where my rights begin"

clarified: everyone does have free speech, but if someones speech directly leads to the rights of others being violated, that freedom is no longer protected.

in short: hate speech isn't first-amendment protected.

Kepora

5 years, 5 months ago

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@ Zarphus

Except it is. "Hate speech" doesn't infringe on anyone's rights - its just speech. If they take actions to harm your rights, then that's where the line is drawn. Until you do something or directly call for it, you're free to say whatever the fuck you want.

skyboxmonster

5 years, 6 months ago

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I think no one understands Amendments.

it starts with " Congress shall make no law" then it lists a few things including freedom of speech. then AFTER it mentions freedom of speech it lists
"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

notice that freedom of speech is NOT included under the "Rights" section.

private people can censor all they want. its only congress that cannot pass a law stopping it.

skyboxmonster

5 years, 6 months ago

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@ skyboxmonster

Deeper down the rabbit hole I can nullify the 2nd amendment too.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

it says WELL REGULATED. and MILITIA

every gun nut ever does not understand those words.

it does not give anyone who ISNT a member of "a regulated militia" permission to carry a semi-auto rifle into a coffee shop.
and unless guns were AT LEAST as seriously regulated as cars you cannot say the current state of weapons the US is "well regulated"

also the constitution is WELL OVER TWO CENTURIES OUT OF DATE!

ChastityCoyote

5 years, 6 months ago

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@ skyboxmonster

It was meant in the lexicon at the time as it is now. The Militia then was able bodied folks who understood that self defense was the most basic human right. Thats it.

Those that dont understand say that gun folks dont understand "their"opinion on what that meant is not what it meant.

And your wrong.

One of these days you might understand why that 200+ year document is why your alive now.

Well regulated is not a nanny state, as much as some think they need.