With very few exceptions, I don't delete past statements that I now believe to be untrue, misguided or otherwise wrong. Let me explain why.
When somebody talks about "Callout Culture," what do they mean? It's a complicated answer.
For a lot of people- especially people with very unpopular views- it's distaste for the idea that what you say and believe can have a real effect on things you do, like your job or hobbies or side-hustle. That you should be able to further whatever views you wish and be unaffected in a practical sense. This, of course, has never been true for anyone- whether it's someone getting in trouble for a racist joke or daring to be visibly gay or trans before that was "acceptable," there's always real consequences. I got harassed at my former workplace for having long hair despite never being seen by customers, and that's just one very mild example.
For others, though, it's about the people making the callouts themselves. Anyone who's spent a long enough time on Tumblr is fully aware of the way that many people make their lives about gossip- finding people who aren't Woke enough with this cause or that cause and condemning them for it. Statements like "Yeah well um I think you should all know that ____ is transphobic" and it's usually because of something they said years ago and don't even believe anymore, to the degree that they forgot they even said it. This, of course, moved onto Twitter, which is an even better platform for shaming people using past posts. The people in question are rarely doing so to protect marginalized people, or at the very least that's a distantly secondary motivation/happy accident in the path of them simply enjoying having power over somebody else.
Now we're so far into this back and forth that bad faith actors who don't care about anything are using astroturfing campaigns to ruin anyone they don't like, and places that don't want to kowtow to such transparent attempts are being forced to justify not responding to these dog and pony shows. Naturally, people who don't want accountability for having prejudiced opinions are labeling this as hypocritical.
There are two major problems with this entire setup.
1. There's no nuance. It's a trial with no lawyers and the sentence, socially, is harsh. The motivation is never to teach the person, but to cast them out. This might be appropriate in some instances, especially with regards to surreptitious attempts to infiltrate certain spaces, but for most people it's not anything so calculated- it's just ignorance, something we all have in droves and work our whole lives to alleviate.
2. We've never had such unfettered access to people's pasts before. It used to take a private detective to unearth some manner of seedy dealing long buried. Now? Everything's at your fingertips. Anything someone forgot to take down? It's right there.
This has created an impetus to delete anything and everything that mirrors all but the most up to date reflection of a person, creating this pristine image that can only be destroyed if someone saved the data. As if to say, "Nope! I, perfect person, have never believed that." And this... is really fucking unhealthy. For all of us. Hero worship and other parasocial relationships never work out in the long run because you cannot worship a person, only an icon- and an icon is a pale reflection of the person it resembles.
If you read all that carelessly, you might come to the conclusion that I'm against confrontation. I'm definitely not. If someone holds prejudiced views, it's really important we try to alleviate that. The thing is, we can't keep pretending we live in a world of people who are "Perfect Cinnamon Rolls" and "Ruined Forever." That's caustic. It's unrealistic. And it's only going to make all this worse. We need to have space to learn from mistakes, because like it or not, we always are. And that can only happen if we, as in all of us, leave up our mistakes and resist the urge to clean up our messy histories.
Absolutly true, and that scare me a lot! people are so eager to be violent against someone, a lot of them act like a pack of hounds waiting the signal for attack and they prefer do that before take a momment and reflect and that kind of thought only feed the more radicals facist groups that only want proofs for keep commiting monstrosities.
Absolutly true, and that scare me a lot! people are so eager to be violent against someone, a lot of
I was pretty furious about the James Gunn thing when I got wind of it. While people say he was attacked by the "alt-right", and this is somewhat true, it's more an example of the far right's outrage culture exploiting the far left's outrage culture. I just see it as two extremes fighting each other, and this movie that I won't be seeing anymore got caught in the crossfires. I agree about keeping up past statements and not "cleaning up" the messy history, but I'd also say everyone on every side needs to denounce and criticize the extremism in their camp as well as those with opposing viewpoints.
I was pretty furious about the James Gunn thing when I got wind of it. While people say he was attac
Cernovich pushed Pizzagate like it was his job. It was entirely about removing a critic of Schmuck L'Orange from a platform on the national stage. Here's hoping Disney unfucks their mistake.
I know that too, but even if the conclusion the public comes to is false, with enough red flags you can at least rub your chin and say, 'hmmm, this is probably worth a closer look.'
I know that too, but even if the conclusion the public comes to is false, with enough red flags you
That credulous chin-rubbing resulted in a lunatic bringing an AR-15 into a pizzeria. It was baseless nonsense spread by professional bullshit artists. QED.
I don't think you were involved with pizzagate in any way then. I find it hard to believe that anyone could see what they uncovered and not get a little suspicious. "I'm sure these walls filled with paintings of scared children half-nude in bondage gear are just for Podesta's aesthetic sensibilities! Makes sense to me!"
But yeah you're right, if my child was around Comet Ping Pong when all this came out, well I wouldn't fret about their safety in the slightest! After all, the elite, wealthy of the upper crust always have us little people's best interests at heart. I'm certain there couldn't possibly be anything sordid they do behind closed doors.
I don't think you were involved with pizzagate in any way then. I find it hard to believe that anyon
*siiiigh* Click this here. Done that? Good. Okay. Let's review the facts. 1. John Podesta isn't the person 'implicated.' It's his brother, Tony Podesta. 2. Art pieces that involve children aren't automatically sexual, the artist of most of them is their mother. 3. Art collectors are fucking weird. 4. You are on Inkbunny. There is cub smut to the left and right of you. Are you running a child molestation ring??
Come on man.
*siiiigh* Click this here. ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/her-artwork-was-ba
I don't consider either party to be "far" left or right. It's more fascists baiting totalitarians, based on the general ideological beliefs of the two groups.
I don't consider either party to be "far" left or right. It's more fascists baiting totalitarians,
this is ALL SO "Victorian" and Medieval in terms of witch-hunting: internet is doing in 2018 what Inquisition and Victorian Prohibitionism already did in 1200 and 1800-ish. we learnt nothing form history
this is ALL SO "Victorian" and Medieval in terms of witch-hunting: internet is doing in 2018 what In
A while ago, a few times I'd see an old 2-3 year old youtube comment get liked and I was confused because on the surface they were easily misinterpretable and I didn't remember them or what they could've been referring to in the video. So I asked someone about it, "Hey, I keep seeing these comments pop up I don't remember making that look kinda questionable! Did I get haxxed or something?" And they said it's probably just that, comments I don't remember making, and I let that sink in and opted not to delete any more. I embrace my cringe now.
You always have the best political journals. A while ago, a few times I'd see an old 2-3 year old
Yeah nobody is perfect, people make mistake and learn from them.
Anyways, i read over a few of the James Gunn Tweets in question, it basically looks like he was trying his hand at insult comedy, which is hard to pull off online. I wouldn't even call it a mistake, just a difficult venue to do such content, and that difficulty happened after the fact due to the internet culture turning into targeted toxicity campaigns. arg.
Yeah nobody is perfect, people make mistake and learn from them. Anyways, i read over a few of the
yeah but when its a back-stabbing narcissist who has done actual crimes and caused so much distress for a lot of people and pretends to be a total angel online always showing their fursona as the hero and good guy when its the opposite of their acutal self.
No those people you can call out and ruin freely.
yeah but when its a back-stabbing narcissist who has done actual crimes and caused so much distress
Could be Zaush, given he presents himself as innocent but has been accused of rape, of trying to fuck underaged-teens, and the whole "Zaush / CobaltDawg" discussion of a commission that included links to real-kidlings and discussing them in a sexual way?
Could be Zaush, given he presents himself as innocent but has been accused of rape, of trying to fuc
Well I did lose a friend indirectly because of Zaush. I had a argument about them with my friend, they misunderstood something i said. got very offended because they thought I was defending Zaush. and blocked me everywhere so I could not even explain what happend to them.
No its Blue Hasia. he made my 2012-2014 a living hell. I new him before he started getting that huge pile of art he has now. and in all of his art he is shown as the hero with a troubled past. who is very anti-porn (even though I have screenshots and proof commissions porn, the hippocrite)
Well I did lose a friend indirectly because of Zaush. I had a argument about them with my friend, th
I just don't like how hostile and vicious everyone seems to be on the internet now. I barely want to talk to anyone new out of fear that someone will use something I said years ago to bury me.
I just don't like how hostile and vicious everyone seems to be on the internet now. I barely want to
Star Trek - The Final Frontier was such a failure that we forget this one scene that for me is one of the best ever done in any ST movie OR series. https://youtu.be/WLzJAebfEIg
We NEED our pain and mistakes to learn from because no one "out there" is going to help us. We're on our own and that's the scariest thing of all.
Star Trek - The Final Frontier was such a failure that we forget this one scene that for me is one o
I agree with this 100%. Another server I was in was talking about Callout Culture with all the same kind of ideas you have up here for the most part... But praising it. These people have a channel that used to just be a kind of discussion place to talk about politics or other controversial topics without flooding the regular chat rooms for it. Now all that ever gets posted in there is drama and drags against artists and stuff for things they've said or stuff they "maybe" did like, 10 years ago. It got so bad that they actually had to make a new room just for people to be able to vent/talk about politics/etc. again.
Right now they're on a burning crusade against any type of underage art. I've talked with them about the whole issue of how it's mostly an outlet for people, and 90% of ageplay artists don't actually look at real kids that way, and even the ones that do don't have any plans or intentions to touch them at all. So they aren't helping anyone. Personally I'm not even super into underage stuff, Gwen and the Turnbaum twins being basically my only exception in the art you do, because I'm a sucker for gigantic asses. What I mean by burning crusade though, is they will delete stuff, and kick people for posting it, if someone even thinks it might be underage. To the point where me and another person, who both are into size difference, have to constantly go out of our way when we post stuff to say, "No, they're not underage, they're just short/the other person is just really big." or risk getting kicked out.
Between that place and just social media and being in servers where I only know a few people, not everyone in it, I've just become paranoid of saying or posting anything that might be considered "problematic" by the people in it. So even when I disagree with stuff people are saying or there's a political discussion happening that I feel I could contribute to, I just avoid it if I don't think the crowd is interested in different opinions.
I agree with this 100%. Another server I was in was talking about Callout Culture with all the same
This shit is scary, man. It's hard to be friends with anyone anymore because they might probably shut you out on whatever you might say that could be remotely ''bad'' People don't know how to stop and won't stop.
This shit is scary, man. It's hard to be friends with anyone anymore because they might probably shu
Very articulately written. You've expressed something that I've been trying to figure out in my head for ages, so I can refer to this to help me now. Thank you!
Very articulately written. You've expressed something that I've been trying to figure out in my head
TBH I've always wondered what this whole shit show on the net is about. Not only did you now tell me what it was but put in a context I understand. Man the net is definitely more toxic than it use to be. I mean yeah, there was toxicity but it wasn't quite on the same level as this.
There's a part of me that can't help but feel that certain advances in the net like some social media have given people to do something like this.
TBH I've always wondered what this whole shit show on the net is about. Not only did you now tell me
I don't use social media under my real name. I can either be honest about who I am, or what I am. I rather be honest about myself than my name. That way no asshole with a troll agenda can intrigue me out of job or family by putting me on the.pillary for dragging my views in frint of an incompatible audience.
For any view and oppinion, you find a group that will not tolerate it. If you are pro gay, I can post a link to your account in a conservative orthodox forum. If you are right wing, I can drag you in front of a anarchichaotic lynch mob. You can't have an oppinion that has no enemies, unless you have no oppinion. And you can ruin anyone by finding the crucial discrepancy between yours and those of someone important to you, then troll you both about it.
Thats the power of social networks.
++ I don't use social media under my real name. I can either be honest about who I am, or what I am
Definitely is damaging that apparently no amount of apologies or improvement is ever enough. Wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't caused some individuals to go "if I keep getting treated like this anyway might as well be like this".
Definitely is damaging that apparently no amount of apologies or improvement is ever enough. Wouldn'
I've always said you'll never change anyone's mind just by stopping them from talking, it's what the famous Tyrion Lannister quote is all about. I've noticed in recent years that any sort of discourse seems to be the thing that's disappearing from the internet and then by proxy it's disappearing from real life as that's the only way people think they can interact with others
I've always said you'll never change anyone's mind just by stopping them from talking, it's what the
I don't know if you intended this, but it sounds like you've swung the pendulum very far the other way and now demand that people surrender a fundamental right. I've said some stupid crap in my time, held ridiculous positions and really don't want that out there because it not only doesn't reflect who I am, it offends others and myself. I have the right to curate my own thoughts and environment. Within reason and barring legal issues I have the right to make spaces under my control look as I wish. It's... if I was to give a rough and imprecise equivalent, it's like you're saying I don't have the right to remain silent. Like, I can remain silent but that means I'm a bad person. If I plead the fifth that means I'm guilty. Those spaces under my control are mine, and again, baring legal realities, I can make them what I wish. There's nothing more to it. Then again I view it less as some kind of Orwelian history erasure (arguments can be made) and more a simple matter of editing a block of text, time immaterial. If I've made statements I no longer support, because reason moved me to a different position, I should not be held to them as though I still supported them. Way back when in ancient times I was a genuinely devout Catholic, I believed in magical woo, psychic powers, aliens, Atlantis, the Devil and other nonsense. But I don't anymore. See, I can say that, without having text to that effect because it really doesn't matter.
I don't know. Maybe I took the journal wrong. But I have the right to remain silent, I have the right to curate my space, and I have the right to have people have the most up-to-date information about my positions and feelings. It's okay, in my mind, to present what you believe, not what you used to believe. I don't go around chanting Pater Noster and rattling beads, so there's no reason for that to be what people think I do.
I don't know if you intended this, but it sounds like you've swung the pendulum very far the other w
Nowhere did I imply anyone doesn't have the 'right' to do this and I don't have the authority to make that declaration anyway so it's extra nonsensical that this would be what I said.
However, what I do want is for you to understand that your pristine image isn't free. It has a cost, and that cost weighs on the shoulders of everyone who gets unlucky. Because we all purge our past indiscretions, it means that whoever gets caught in a high enough profile way will be forever burdened with judgement for doing things that are far, far more common than this situation would imply. Certain people who can't erase their past- your Monica Lewinskies and the like- will get pilloried their entire lives because in a vacuum they appear to be scoundrels, while in reality they're merely one among many.
It's a societal cost, and we foist this debt on the few.
Nowhere did I imply anyone doesn't have the 'right' to do this and I don't have the authority to mak
in an age where PR is a perfected science, destroying your own reputation loudly and publically is the only way to be sincere bonus: by doing so, you guarantee that whatever following you have left is loyal
i believe that sarah jeong is at some level deeply saddened that she was not fired, and james gunn at some level satisfied. sarah jeong will write typical NYT tripe for 50 years, and james gunn will be able to write interesting movies (sure, with a lower budget)
in an age where PR is a perfected science, destroying your own reputation loudly and publically is t
you avoid having sycophants by systematically destroying any power or influence that would be up for grabs once you are toxic enough in the public eye, the difference between "loyal" and "sycophant" is blindingly clear
you avoid having sycophants by systematically destroying any power or influence that would be up for
If only it were so easy; toxicity is a currency being traded in massive amounts right now. People have created meritocracies based purely on how much projected societal rejection one can garner. The more offensive or awful one can be, the better. Of course it's all a massive sham, a production put on by people who desperately want to escape the confines of human social structures and thoroughly convince themselves that they can.
If only it were so easy; toxicity is a currency being traded in massive amounts right now. People ha
people have the instinct for it, but don't know how to do it correctly, striking out randomly with lots of collateral damage i think it's possible with a few carefully constructed paragraphs, totally g-rated and not attacking any individual, nationality, sex, race, etc. in other worlds anyone could anathematize themselves permanently while acting like the pope the goal is to keep all human relations intact aside from society and by doing so you never have to worry what public opinion in 2028 will be, and you never have to delete anything again
people have the instinct for it, but don't know how to do it correctly, striking out randomly with l
This is a lot more blatant now but self-editing happened a long time ago. I remember when Google absorbed Dejanews, putting 20 years of conversation history back on the web - people were clamoring for a way to take down their old statements, and they gave one. I considered using it myself but it just seemed too much bother.
Also seen webcomics sanitize their post history after they've been at it a few years. After a certain point your drunken rants and confessions just seem to add up to something they can't tolerate.
This is a lot more blatant now but self-editing happened a long time ago. I remember when Google ab
I honestly never understood why people would post political opinions under their own name. Unless you are running for office, keep it private or anonymous. Then again, many people seem to run for office in the court of public opinion - which is and ever was a tribalistic and profile-neurotic mess getting worse the bigger the gathering, and, especially online, gets as dirty as real politics really fast despite having much less to gain. I attribute it to evolutionary psychology, and I genuinely think it is something that went wrong in human evolution. Then again, there is genetic engieering, so maybe we can fix it.
I honestly never understood why people would post political opinions under their own name. Unless yo
