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FlyingFox

The problem with Patreon.

I see more and more artist hiding their art behind 1$ dollar paywalls and I do not like. Sure 1$ might not be much but it adds up. It's the same as micro transactions in games or subscriptions on Twitch. Hiding what would otherwise be free art on Patreon is a good way for me to lose interest in you at least :/

Of course there are exceptions. Like if an artist made a fully colored comic in order to sell it, then I see nothing wrong with it, but a'lot of artists just post normal shit there and asks for money. I say take comissions or do Auctions if you want to be paid for shit.

All of this is my personal opinion of course. People have the right to disagree, but it wont change my outlook on it.
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Added: 5 years, 8 months ago
 
Azoth
5 years, 8 months ago
I can agree with that stance.  Hopefully they're offering a sufficient reward for the cost and not just doing what they'd usually do for free.  People who claim it'll help them "have more time for art" or something usually get an eyeroll from me.  
JinxMcKenzie
5 years, 8 months ago
agreed it ruins their reputation and sorry but I can't spend 1$ to 480 artists that I watch every month. I'd rather get a commission :3
FlyingFox
5 years, 8 months ago
Exactly, and some take 1$ for a week making it 4$ a month. Could you imagine paying 1920$ a month? XD Exagerating I know.
JinxMcKenzie
5 years, 8 months ago
only to you or
clyndemoon
clyndemoon
XD
donpuma
5 years, 8 months ago
I agree and do not forget of there are artist  who do not upload any art  un months
CurlyShep
5 years, 8 months ago
Yeah I've fallen into that trap with an artist I really liked. I liked being able to support them and then they would just go missing for a month or two at a time, so I didn't really know what I was paying for at that point.
Pawz
5 years, 8 months ago
Agreed! Tho i dont mind if its a timed release (within reason aka less then a year). I do mind when they downsize the resolution to oblivion so it looks like crap (or ridiculously small)on a 1080p monitor...not to mention that 4k is a thing now...
On the same note hiding the porn versions behind a paywall is stupidly frustrating.
Pawz
5 years, 8 months ago
I feel like reverse Oprah...You don't get money! And you don't get money! And you don't get money!

And the worst offenders don't even let you attempt to get a commission without being a patreon or a particular level of patreon. Here's looking at you Anhes. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

/endrant
donpuma
5 years, 8 months ago
I agree, because even there are artist  that does that and they "choose" who will make a comision and I know at least 3 artists I do not want to mention
Fanthrose
5 years, 8 months ago
Totally agree.
donpuma
5 years, 8 months ago
I agree, it is a way to beg for money un the internet, and it is so disapointing due to that, moreover I had seen a certain artist  who complained about his cómic being posting online and Patreon was his way of living, I think this is just a way to loose interest  
TheLastGasp
5 years, 8 months ago
Some of this is patreon rules. No porn public viewable. So $1 patron requirement keeps them from being banned
BrokenPupper
5 years, 8 months ago
Sadly true.
KNIFE
5 years, 8 months ago
What about the artists that use it for a tip jar.
Put what you can in and the artist will be able to keep producing
better quality free work while putting sketches and stuff in the Pateron to keep it active.
taurex
5 years, 8 months ago
i don't mind them hiding their art behind a paywall but if they do then they have no right to complain when the fans just leave them.
axlegear
5 years, 8 months ago
I'm laughing harder at the dozens of artists being banned because Patreon isn't really cool with feral, cub, or most furry porn
lukasshep
5 years, 8 months ago
I agree that an artist shouldn't use Patreon exclusively. There are lots of artists I would love to donate to, but I can't afford to give $1 to $20 per month to hundreds of people. The few artists I donate to post their art on free sites like this, then put the high resolution files on Patreon. I don't mind paying a few bucks for hi-res files I really like. There's no way I would donate without knowing what I'm getting. I also don't like the subscription model since they may stop posting and I could forget to unsubscribe. I would only pay above $20/month if I get a monthly sketch or something. It would be nice if you could pay just to get access to one post you really want as another option to subscribing. I understand artists want a reliable monthly income instead of random commissions and sales. I don't mind paying for that but it has to be worth my while each month.
AzureMarsupial
5 years, 8 months ago
I mean, that's their prerogative. Keep in mind that art doesn't just come out of nowhere. Why feel you are obligated to get it free? As far as harming their rep goes, most artists usually get pretty established with a fan base before they make a paywall, and the paywall doesn't always grab all their work. Hey, just another way to make a living. :3 Or at least helps. Every dollar counts.
Emergency
5 years, 8 months ago
I agree
MystBunny
5 years, 8 months ago
This, and fuck the excuses for it, too.
AzureMarsupial
5 years, 8 months ago
No need to be mad about people making a living. :P
MystBunny
5 years, 8 months ago
Not to make a direct comparison here, but a person can make a good living as a hitman, does that mean I shouldn't be mad about them killing for money?
AzureMarsupial
5 years, 7 months ago
I mean, no offense, but that is a really awful comparison xD One is literally -killing- people, breaking all moral code and law. The other is asking for money to view a finished product. No moral codes are being broken by that.

A better comparison is you wanting free food from the grocery store.

MystBunny
5 years, 7 months ago
As I said, I wasn't drawing a direct comparison. My intent was to refute your logic that "making a living" is above criticism. No it's not murder, but neither is it candy. It's a market that works just as well without paywalls and has for decades.
AzureMarsupial
5 years, 7 months ago
If you aren't drawing a direct comparison why even say that? xD; That's literally zero point.
MystBunny
5 years, 7 months ago
Again, I said it to refute your logic. You agree that "making a living" doesn't make it right. That was the point.
AzureMarsupial
5 years, 7 months ago
But that doesn't refute anything xD; It literally makes zero sense dude.
MystBunny
5 years, 7 months ago
" No need to be mad about people making a living

My point is that this logic is flawed. It's not a rule of thumb, it's a platitude. It means what you want it to mean. It applies where you want it to apply. If you were to say that "murder for profit is wrong" and someone were to respond with "No need to be mad about people making a living" Does it carry any weight whatsoever with you? I used an extreme example to illustrate the flaw in that argument, not to compare artists to hitmen, but to give you a sense of what that argument means to anyone who doesn't think paywalling is fair.
AzureMarsupial
5 years, 7 months ago
Well, actually, more like free candy, because it's not something you *need* to survive. It's extra, tastes nice and is fun. Literally the same thing. If you walked into the store would you actually expect them to give you all the free candy you want because you think it's wrong to make you pay and work for it?
BrokenPupper
5 years, 8 months ago
That's great, but unless the people having any concern about getting everything for free stsrts commissioning the artist them they will just be ignored.
Emergency
5 years, 8 months ago
I don't really like it either, but I can see and understand why they do it.
OriontheCougar
5 years, 8 months ago
That's why I block the keywords Patreon and Censored.  It removes a good portion of the paywall stuff.  If I find a few artists that slip through the cracks then I just block their artwork as well.  That only goes for artists who primarily post stuff you can't see without a subscription.  It's like I said on another post.  If I gave $1 to every homeless person I see everyday I'd be broke.

Having said that it's an artists choice to do so and that's fine. But I don't have time to mess with it.
FlyingFox
5 years, 8 months ago
I blocked the Patreon keyword yesterday actually.
Axleonder
3 years ago
The dynamic of Patreon and artists doing this is they don't want to interact with you, except for you to open your wallet to them. And it is toxic.
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