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RoareyRaccoon

The Heart of Social Justice

I think I'm in a better position now to articulate why exactly I left social justice and the socialist left completely behind. I've spent a couple of years making fun of and attacking it, but not getting to a deeper reason for why I view it so venomously these days. Not a small thing either, considering I've been willing to abide my reputation being ruined in many ways just to be able to criticise it. There's no way I'd do this without a damn good reason. First thing's first, what do I mean by "social justice"?

Feminism, diversity policies, hate speech policies, political correctness in general. These are social movements predicated on the idea of controlling people, to "teach" people to be a certain way, with the hand of the government enforcing the ideas recommended by these movements. Social justice looks at demographics of people and infers imbalances of "representation" are down to oppression or discrimination. People are categorized by an ever increasing set of variables, like race, sex, sexuality etc. In short, social justice collectivises people, sorts us into boxes prior to playing a gigantic game of chess with those boxes. Everything in society is viewed in terms of power and oppression. Who is being oppressed and who is doing the oppressing is the first thing to be established, from which follows the "remedies" to these "problems". If a company, say, is 80% male and society around it is 50% male, the imbalance of "representation" of the sexes is a problem to be remedied, it can only be because of discrimination, an imbalance of power. To cut right down to it, social justice is a flat-out denial of individual human agency and treats people as interchangeable units of their categories. How could it not be, if we are to actually believe that the employment of more "women" in a company increases the representation of women? Does each woman represent women in any meaningful way? Only if you believe people in each group are essentially the same can this make any sense at all. If a random gay white male called James gets a job at a business in my area, does he represent me just because I am a gay white man? I don't even know the bugger, give me a fucking break.

So why do I detest all this so much? It isn't just on a logical level, though that is a large part of it, it is something more fundamental than that. It is enough for me to be willing to have my reputation and character disparaged horribly. I don't say this to play the victim, on which count I have been repeatedly accused. It is the statement of a fact, to go up against social justice ideas is to pay a price, one I accept responsibility for and would not have taken the trouble to speak out if I wasn't willing to. It isn't just that social justice ideologues try to make the lives of dissidents miserable, it is that it makes everybody miserable. Miserable and helpless.

To contextualise what I'm about to say I need to resort to anecdote. For well over a decade I was firmly on the left (I'm still left now, tho classical liberal), I thought Socialism was a good idea, even Anarcho Syndicalism. My life revolved around the principle that our destiny as human beings was mostly dictated by forces outside ourselves. I've been through a lot of shit in my life and my sympathy for others who have been through shit has remained constant. Back then, I believed most of this suffering was down to the shortfalls of society, that there just wasn't enough help out there, that desperate people were all around and nobody gave a toss. It was a comforting philosophy in a way, because it meant that it wasn't my fault that I'd suffered, it had been done to me. Now, it's true that shit happens, probably the most true thing to say about life is that "shit happens". It is true that circumstances in life can advantage some and disadvantage others, in countless ways. The mindset of social justice is to try to log all of these advantages and disadvantages, an account book of mitigating circumstances. A tragedy audit. I used to think of where I'd be if I hadn't been clinically depressed for over 20 years, if I hadn't had over a decade of severe anxiety, if I hadn't been through all the crazy, scary, scarring nastiness. I looked at others who hadn't been through a fraction of it with envy, that if only I hadn't been handicapped I could have had a great start in life, I could be going places dammit! Coulda woulda shoulda. If only those privileged by circumstances could recognize it. When I turned 30 I happened to start listening to Jordan Peterson talking about various things, after I saw him in the news online, causing a stir with his talk about compelled speech. One night, early morning really, I was listening to him talking about personal responsibility, mulling over what was being said in my head. Something snapped. Here's a truth, a basic, simple truth: no matter how right you are about how badly life has fucked you, there is no progressing anywhere with the mindset that life is holding you down. To see oneself as a victim of circumstance, to the point that you have a genuine excuse, a reason for your failures; that can't go anywhere. As much as one may hurt, filled with resentment, bitterness, pain, remorse, whatever, a losing strategy is a losing strategy. Stick a knife in your chest and you'll be in trouble, no matter what you think or feel about it. Set yourself up as someone dependant on favourable circumstances to get anywhere and you're going to lose.

Did I want to empower myself or not? That is the question, to my mind. So I looked at how I'd been thinking and feeling, I looked at all the comforting smoke and mirrors that is social justice rhetoric and I saw it for what it was. Fucking poison. Sure, the language sounds good; compassion, diversity, rights, love. Is it really this way? One has to wonder, can a worldview which is happy to paint people as Nazis and scum with the confidence and eagerness with which one calls grass green really be about love and not hatred? We see students talk about being oppressed, in western societies. We live in a patriarchal, white supremacist society that hates, apparently. Now be honest with me, as I'm being honest with you, do you fucking seriously believe that a worldview which requires you see the society you live in as hell on earth is good for people? Does it empower us to be told we need to rely on being given things we want, things we wish we had? That society is set up for us to fail? If you're black, does it help you to be told that society hates your black skin, that because your ancestors were slaves that you're still a fucking slave? Under the guise of positive language we are being poisoned by inculcated fragility. What if I said that you have a life that is yours to live, that you can be the architect of your own destiny? Is that a message of HATE? Tell me, honestly, are people who support social justice made happier for it, more successful for it? Or is everybody treading on eggshells, avoiding talking about serious subjects, wondering if we'll say something upsetting or triggering? I don't think this fucking shit is what freedom looks like, I don't think it's what life looks like. Social justice drains the human spirit and makes you feel like you're a hopeless, helpless weakling the moment anything upsetting occurs, it is a strategy for life dependant on disinfectant.

I don't know what the answers are, I don't know what the best policies for society are, what the ideal government looks like. One thing I do know however, for a fact, is that there is more hope and strength in me now than I ever had under my old mindset. Social justice destroys people in every direction, it finds enemies everywhere to be destroyed and it saps the spirits of those who believe in it. We don't need it, we need to be rid of it. I can't stand seeing people's minds being poisoned like this. The damage this is doing is off the charts and those stuck in it think they're doing good, which is precisely what makes the most dangerous ideas so dangerous. There is no end to the evil, the damage one can do while one is convinced they're righteous. An ideology in which someone can be thought of as absolute scum just for drawing fucking cartoons or making risqué posts on social media is not about love. Never was. That is why I despise social justice.
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Added: 5 years, 9 months ago
 
Sleepyly
5 years, 9 months ago
By what i could get abt SJWs by seeing them and even talking with them they are mostly people who are convinced the world should be their safe space, most of the leftist people i know are kinda like adult teenagers. They entered adulthood not too long ago and have little to no confidence in their skill to survive and find sucess,  they are scared from a world that doesnt give a shit about them and will let them die if they dont do something about themselves.

Im going through these issues too but i dont know how blaming other people solves anything. The world has always been like this and countries like the US never had a big wellfare state, yet, the US is one of the best places to live around the world.
I live in a social democracy and its pretty clear to me that big gov doesnt solve and has never solved anything, its peoples individual search for their own wealth and prosperity coupled with great economic freedom that makes people richer.

I know many people get the shittiest cards in life but most people are very capable and willing to do whatever it takes to change their lives for the better and its not fair to take their oportunities away for my own security. In fact i believe people dont owe society anything, their money is theirs and there is nothing wrong with them keeping it even if it means i die at the hospital's door.

That said i was never a marxist or leftist in any way, and im very very capitalist as of now. Im glad you were able to change and see marxism as the absolute shithole it is. I usually dont have any hopes for people in their 30s or above to change, you are a very positive example that even older people can change their minds for the better.
CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
I'd rather not see anyone die at the front of a hospital door.

I don't feel paying taxes for programs and public health initiatives to prevent such out comes is a selfish thing.

We can rise above animal law if we can find common ground to work togther and fight against a world that doesnt care if we die alone and impoverished.
Sleepyly
5 years, 9 months ago
Im a individualist meaning i believe we should respect people's property and lives to the full extent. I agree that someone dying because they cant afford to stay in a hospital is sad but instead of agression we should figure out ways to help people in a voluntary and civil manner.

As much as i worry about poverty i find this sort of coercion to be anti-civilizatory, no prosperity comes from theft and the normatization of it, nor any misery can justify it.

That said i would really be glad to be part of a group or society that cares for me really, i mean, who doesnt?
But people dont have any obligation to care about me or anyone else really, expecting millions of people to care for each other is unrealistic at best.
 
CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
How is one to succeed in this world without interaction with others including assistance bought through compensation in some form of mutual agreement?

I don't expect anyone to be forced to labor for anyone else without compensation.

There has to be infrastructure and agree upon standards of equivalent exchange for any higher form of society.

If we want the benefits of a national and world economy and trade that let's us aspire to greater things, these basic foundations have to be there to facilitate it.
Sleepyly
5 years, 9 months ago
By voluntary work i didnt mean "work that people absolutely 100% wanna do", i meant any kind of work that isnt actual slavery just in case i wasnt clear about that. Work itself provides interaction i dont see why some people think that aside from taxes people are just a bunch of antisocial cavemen.
Needless to say nobody works without compensation, hell, even when you love what you do you still need to pay for all the services you use somehow.

CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
Not ever one can achieve their dream job.  Most have to settle on what's available and doable just to get by.

Aptitude, cognitive skills, physical requirement, are most often the reason people can't manage to get their preferred job.

Lack of enough demand for specific posting is the next biggest reason.

And third lack of funding for education into a desired field as well as being able to move to a location that has an opening is a inhibitor of moving up in employment opportunities.

Public educational funding, with proper over sight of an engaged local population and motivated student body, can address a lot of the problems and help achieve some minimum level of equal opportunity.

Sleepyly
5 years, 9 months ago
I will try to answer this briefly.
Yes, im perfectly aware dream jobs are not for everyone, thats just how the world works, i dont think i need to explain that.
Lack of demand cant be controlled, except if its being artificially pushed down.

I believe people can find better ways to provide basic needs like health and education without govt assistence.

The whole point of my replies is: The world sucks, yes, everybody knows it i just dont buy into the "society's fault" thing, neither approve agression as a valid method to achieve any goals. Life sucks, it gives you random stats and you gotta go with them like it or not but there is nobody to blame for that.
CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
An examples of the better ways for health and education then public funded institutions?
Sleepyly
5 years, 9 months ago
There was a period in the us where health were provided at ridiculously low costs due to how easy it was to make bussiness there. I havent researched much about education tho.
Call it 3rd world problems but where i live the govt services are shit and thats for a universal reason: Politicians dont need to serve you, just point a gun to peoples heads and make empty promisses, you will never be able to stop paying anyway.

I rather trust anyone else to do the job rather than someone who can come at my house and steal my money then claim they are going to give it back in services.

Anyway this conversation is tiring me, i dunno debate me on telegram later if you want but im tired lol
CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
I'll let you go.

It was pleasant conversation.

What your telegram handle?
Sleepyly
5 years, 9 months ago
I will pm you.
I cant debate anything without getting stressed haha.
I should be more positive when it comes to such kinds of conversations, exchanging ideas should be pleasing.
GreenPika
5 years, 9 months ago
dude ever since the elections, in your journal feed, I've seen mostly these huge text bricks about this shit. Now, I'm not coming down on you. It just seems you are detoxing, like, a lot, and it's going to take years from the looks of it. Regardless of the "who's correct" argument on these things, any political movement that does this to a person, much more resembles a religion, and not in a good way. If people are punished for asking questions, then, well, it's pretty obvious what my point is. This is why I left the "left/right" paradigm years ago. I don't need 2 flavors of bullshit. I don't even need 1.

RoareyRaccoon
5 years, 9 months ago
Yes, this is very personal for me. Fortunately, nobody has to read or pay any attention to me whatsoever XP.
GreenPika
5 years, 9 months ago
oh but they do, they do. seems people only really pay attention to someone when they might not want it. try to get this kinda attention when you're pushing your art, ha! >.>; not that I'm bitter mind you.
MaximilianUltimata
5 years, 9 months ago
The problem with the direction the far left has been taking progressive politics is that they are just being direct mirrors to the far right. They practice misandry and call it feminism. They act anti-white and call it diversity and anti-racist. They nurture a persecution complex and end up seeing enemies everywhere, even in the mirror.

It's just another facet of the Dissonant Movement.

I've written about tokenism recently and how the far left spends far more energy making a character black or gay, rather than making a character a character. Writing and storytelling have degraded in recent years because people think the only way you can relate to a character or even LIKE them is if they are a direct mirror of who you are (or are a minority of some kind), and they substitute arbitrary labels for quality. This kind of shit plagues the op-eds in Huffington Post, and it annoys the hell out of me.

But that's the kind of world we seem to live in now in this Age of Entropy. Concepts like nuance and moderation have gone out the window, and now people can think only in absolute extremes. The answer, however, is NOT to shirk progressive ideologies like diversity. I practice diversity in my storytelling more than anyone; I just don't make that a bullet point in the elevator pitch. Hell, aside from talks like this, I barely even mention it.

If you want to right the ship, you have to take back the wheel and demonstrate the idealized goal, not just throw shades at the extremists and Dissonants.
KevinSnowpaw
5 years, 9 months ago
Fucking THIS right here.

Just remember diversity should be a garnish to life and not the main course
CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
MaximilianUltimata
5 years, 9 months ago
HE'S STILL AROUND?!
CuriousFerret
5 years, 9 months ago
Foamy is as constant and eternal as the northern star.
GreenPika
5 years, 9 months ago
funny, I just rediscovered him on newgrounds lol
KevinSnowpaw
5 years, 9 months ago
Praise be to our lord and master
Athendae
5 years, 9 months ago
I had absolutely no idea he still existed, omg, so much content to watch, THANK YOU
BullseyeBronco
5 years, 9 months ago
OMG, I need to follow!
ZwolfJareAlt306
5 years, 9 months ago
I love Jordan Peterson. Disagree with him on a couple of things, but he's overwhelmingly solid.
BullseyeBronco
5 years, 9 months ago
Well said!
smblion
5 years, 9 months ago
*hugs* just wanted to get that out


These "movements" are frauds. They're manipulative power struggles perpetrated by men and some women who know what they are doing. They're given fuel and strength by millions of fools who are so desperate for a target for their frustration and anger they are easy to motivate behind any cause if you shout at the right moments. They're either unaware of or unconcerned with the double standard they exhibit.

MOST of these big trendy social things are frauds. Most of everything in our lives are frauds. People get far too passionate about things that have no soul or basis in truth. It reduces all of our lives to little more than a daytime soap opera.

I hope life is treating you well :) you're an awesome person.
Canisroot
5 years, 9 months ago
Whelp, guess I've gotta set aside an afternoon to read all this.
DiogenesShandor
5 years, 8 months ago
Agreed on social justice warriors being completely full of shit...

BUT with the stipulation that the right is also completely full of shit; what with religion, and tradition, and closed borders, and and climate change denial, and evolution denial, and faith, and nationalism, and closed borders, and concerned parents, and alarmism over terrorism, and bizarre admiration of businesses and businessmen as something other than a tragic necessary evil.

Although admittedly the first two problems on the list are worse on the left, as the left is guilty of tolerating of MANY religions and syatems of tradition while the right is only guilty of tolerating one. Both have beliefs, both have traditions, both are utter shit.
DiogenesShandor
5 years, 8 months ago
What we really need is for everyone in the world to be given heavy duty tranquilizers until they are no longer able to give a crap about things that don't matter.

ALSO, we need more mixed couples. So that there will be more mixed people in the next generation. We need to aim penultimately for a world where everyone is highly mixed and there is no more pureblooded anything, and ultimately, many years beyond even that, a world where nobody except professional historians even remembers what different races and ethnicities were.
somercet
5 years, 5 months ago
I patiently await your presentation to the NAACP on this. When they endorse it, let me know.
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