E621: a Stupid Odyssey (Redux) by SmudgeProof < Journal

ZufieUsagi

5 years, 10 months ago

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This proves to me that humanity is becoming more sensitive and stupid by the day. No place have i ever seen just a butt counted as porn, i could think that if there were genitals shown or by a stretch pubic hair. But that is not porn and this whole thing gives me another reason to hate most of humanity.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ ZufieUsagi

Well, it's pornography in his book.

"I know it when I see it"

sedkitty

5 years, 10 months ago

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The word "tinpot" comes to mind.

KNIFE

5 years, 10 months ago

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Ok.....wow.
I got a copy of it anyway before it's taken down again..nice butt AND nice tattoo. :)

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ KNIFE

Yeah, pretty nice art.

SiriusFace

5 years, 10 months ago

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It's hard to argue logic to the retarded. Sorry you have to deal with such nonsense.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ SiriusFace

Thanks! At least it's a spectacle now.

dan482

5 years, 10 months ago

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Delete the image, sure. Just that the pseudo-admin here needs to up his behaviour a bit. That's all I'll say.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ dan482

Pretty much.

CatherinePuce

5 years, 10 months ago

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That's life the moral guardians and the easily offended are numerous. This is not new. I remember back when they said that D&D would lead children to satanism.

MrZero

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ CatherinePuce

DND doesn't lead children to satanism, religion does. There's a point to make about human sacrifice, but since the christian religious icon is a man nailed to a Roman instrument of torture-death, it's hard to try to steer that argument's direction.

CatherinePuce

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ MrZero

I agree. This is just to point out that easily moral guardian will pick on everything to practice their "hobby".

Saglinger

5 years, 10 months ago

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For what it's worth, I'd say it probably needs to be reworded. Why specify illegal activities when they mean ALL real porn?

"	Real porn / real images or videos depicting illegal activities (such as bestiality, child pornography, etc.)

Send them these?

https://e621.net/post/show/9720/
https://e621.net/post/show/9721/
https://e621.net/post/show/9719/
https://e621.net/post/show/15930/
https://e621.net/post/show/21954/ <horse head and hooves, but clearly an edited photo

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Saglinger

Oxford comma, where art thou?

I did already point it out that they have photos of tattoos on the site. Apparently they were "grandfathered in".
Like I'm supposed to be able to tell that.

Zazel

5 years, 10 months ago

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The mods on e621 have been acting kinda weird for a while, people who have been on the site forever getting perma-banned for barely anything, and quality standards and what the rules mean varying wildly between each admin. Tagging isn't really enforced as well either, maybe they just have too much or not enough to do.

RollerCoasterViper59

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Zazel

I was officially banned because I didn't know what UnderTale was. b4 That I told them I didn't want my stuff posted to the site unless I was posting it as it's art I paid for, but I was bashed for being a character owner and not an artist and I was pretty much ignored and striken with a negative flag >_> fuck every last one of those pieces of shit, except for 2 because they we're nice when dealing with me but I wouldn't be surprised if they removed those two admins and kept all the asshole ones. basically FA now but the library version of it

Daneasaur

5 years, 10 months ago

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I've been the victim of unfair treatment there as well but I could spend all day on why.

But yeah, you did not deserve any sort of record, just it being removed and a little note saying "Hey, that was a photo, we don't accept those here anymore." since that was actually a thing I found out during the "Dairy Air" situation. Instead they slapped a record on you and had a limp wristed notice of "real life pornography" when it wasn't.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Daneasaur

If that's what happened, I would never have pushed it. But he's a condescending jackass.

Daneasaur

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ SmudgeProof

Yes, yes he is.

LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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I guess i disagree with most people posting here, i think although his wording/the wording of the rule itself is a bit off, the intention of him and the rule itself is clear to any furry, we know we can't post RL pictures of asses and shit to IB or FA, why would it be any different in E6? This isn't a scandal.

RollerCoasterViper59

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

real life not safe for work isn't allowed on any site, but the pic of an ass he posted had underwear on and therefore was sfw. questionable at best but not explicit

LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ RollerCoasterViper59

But the rules have always been this way, go ahead and post it on IB, go and post it on FA, we'll see how long it lasts. The rule there on E621 isn't supposed to be followed to the very letter, it's a rule that also encompasses posting pictures of peoples asses irl.

Zazel

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

There's plenty on pictures of real life girls wearing less on the site, and e621 doesn't have the same rules as Inkbunny and FurAffinity, it wasn't even completely a "furry" site to begin with, just a site for posting anything, mostly used by furries.

LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Zazel

Two things to address, first being that the topic of conversation is about this post not that there might be "other uploads of girls wearing less", and whether they were ignored or unnoticed is irrelevant.
What's also irrelevant is whether the website fits into a furry category, the rules remain the same.

Zazel

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

It wasn't against the rules though, you're saying it's against the rules, because it wouldn't be allowed on another website. It isn't really irrelevant that the other pictures were ignored either, what about those were okay and this example wasn't? It's just poor moderation.

LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Zazel

Find me an example first, and i'll tell you whether you've made a valid argument or what the problem is.
If they're real life NSFW pictures, then they are just things that have slipped through the net, it happens, obviously.

Zazel

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

https://e621.net/post/index/1/real%20cosplay%20human%20...
I never said any of them were completly NSFW, I said they were more revealing than the tattoo picture. It's also very unlikely much would be missed there since every post is looked at and approved by a moderator. By the way, I don't think these pictures should be removed, because they didn't break any rules in the same way SmudgeProof didn't. A picture of a butt isn't porn if nothing is shown and the focus of the picture isn't the butt to begin with. It doesn't even matter to me that much that the picture did get deleted, It's the inconsistent and poorly handled moderation from a site that used to have excellent moderation.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

They already have photos of tattoos on the site.
They don't have any rule against posting an sfw photo of a tattoo.
E621 is neither IB or FA, all have different rules.

Add to that his jackass behavior,moving the goalposts, being vague and accusing me of skirting the rules when he can't name what I did wrong according to them, his gunhappy modding and condescending tone.

LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ SmudgeProof

Well as someone on the outside of all this, as you would be personally bias against him, i can tell you that he isn't being condescending. The rules on posting on furry websites have all generally been the same, most people understand this and following posting rules on furry based websites is one of the most basic. The fact you cant seem to understand what you did wrong here is what's confusing to me, as if you ran it by me and pretty much any of my friends we could have told you beforehand that it probably would've caused you issues to post.

It's odd to me because it's obvious.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

It wasn't against their own rules. He couldn't point the rule I broke either. He pulled it out of his ass when cornered and acted like I was supposed to be able to follow a rule they don't have, trying to guilt trip me by talking down to me right from the start like I am a naughty kid.

If he just removed it and sent me a non-condescending note not to post tattoos in the future I'd have never cared to go on with any of this.

Also, E621 is not purely a furry artwork site.

LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ SmudgeProof

I genuinely cannot comprehend of the fact that you didn't expect to get any issue from this at all, it's so bizarre to me, and also interesting that you thought this way. I guess it'll have to be one of those things where we will have to agree to disagree, as i feel like the rule is just something that's a standard in this community regarding posting, and the intention of the rule is clear, even if it's worded in a weird way. I just can't wrap my head around the fact you think nothing of it as a problem post.

Athendae

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ LittleOrion

Technically Smudge is correct. The rules state no rl porn and no rl depictions of illegal activities. There's no rule saying "no sfw rl images, period" nor are there any rules prohibiting tattoos.

notmenotyou

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Athendae

It's not against the Code of Conduct to post SWF photographs, however those images do go against the Uploading Guidelines.

The difference here is simply that posting things outside of the uploading guidelines gets the image deleted without any further action taken. If something is against the Posting Abuse rule it will end with a record or might even get the uploader banned.

Athendae

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ notmenotyou

That list of irrelevant photos seems kinda bull... Exactly HOW are fursuits irrelevant to furries?

Plus... Technically tattoos are traditional artwork, hand drawn illustrations

Zazel

5 years, 10 months ago

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LittleOrion

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Zazel

Meowz

5 years, 10 months ago

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Considering this is pretty much a porn site, that person complaining about showing an ass, is hilarious.

WeirdPurpleBunny

5 years, 10 months ago

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DeviantArt is the same. Had a friend who got a warning for a picture over there, only thing even remotely likely to have triggered that was a naked butt. Just a butt, legs close together, so you couldn't see anything else.

Sometimes petty people who succeed in getting their claws onto a piece of much-coveted power feel the urge to use it as often as possible in the tiniest, most pedantic ways to show the rest of the world that they have it, and therefore get some measure of smug importance in their lives.
The really dangerous thing is when they actually get a lot of power... *suspiciously eyes many politicians in the world...*

Athendae

5 years, 10 months ago

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The rule is there...

No real pornography / real images

Granted, it's buried pretty deep in the ruleset and squished between "no irl porn" and "no illegal activities," but it is technically there.

I also don't agree with that grandfathered crap. If something is against the rules, it should be removed to reflect that new relevant rule change, although anything posted before the change that wasn't previously banned shouldn't get a strike.

He didn't have to be belligerent about it and he could have easily quelled this from the start by simply presenting you a similar photo of "Da Rules"

Edit: Looking at it more closely, technically it state "no real images depicting illegal activities," not specifically "no real images, period." So if you wanna rules lawyer, there's legitimate room for the argument that SFW IRL pictures should be allowed. Dude still didn't have to be a jerk about it, though.

Blackraven2

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Athendae

You abbreviated the quotem if you read the whole sentence to the end, the way I read this it's forbidden to post
- real pornography
- real images or video depicting illegal activity

putting both in the same line though is just asking for mod-arbitrariness, as it becomes almost deliberately ambiguous, why, when they have all other points in separate bullets?

Athendae

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Blackraven2

And you obviously didn't even read my whole post, including my very clearly obvious edit

Blackraven2

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Athendae

Granted, I took some time writing it since I was at work. You must have edited while I had it open, I am pretty sure that wasn't on the page when I pressed submit, as there was definitely no bold text ;)

Robinebra

5 years, 10 months ago

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Well, e621 is a total cesspool, so I'm not surprised a pic this awesome got removed. Really nice tattoo BTW.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ Robinebra

Thanks!

ArionEquus

5 years, 10 months ago

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Yeah... no... Reasons why I see no value in the e621 community. Because it's run by these guys.

MaverickSkye

5 years, 10 months ago

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I mean, he didn't at all need to get THAT tilted. Just answer the question directly. Geez some people just hate bring challenged.

Take it up with ipki ookami or however you say his name. He seems to be pretty level headed. This was just dumb.

notmenotyou

5 years, 10 months ago

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Chaser went overboard with the definition of the rule in this case, however he is perfectly right that we only allow photographs (or scans) of traditional artwork, and nothing else.

So while the image should be removed (and will stay deleted) the record should not have been given, and I've removed it from your account. The specific part where this is mentioned is on the Uploading Guidelines under "Bad things to upload":

"	Uploading Guidelines wrote:
	- Irrelevant photographs: Any photograph that isn't of traditional artwork or manipulated to contain furry characters. -- photos of fursuits, statues, plushies, dakimakura, etc. are all irrelevant to us

As for grandfathering, as long as the images don't break any of the actual Posting Abuse rules we simply keep them grandfathered in because they don't hurt anyone. Actual old RL pornography will be deleted as we find it.

SmudgeProof

5 years, 10 months ago

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@ notmenotyou

Thanks.
I interpreted tattoo to be traditional artwork, by the way.

MrZero

5 years, 10 months ago

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It's a butt shot, but it's not a whole ass- the woman still has her shorts on. If anything it counts as "stupid tattoos". The Lady and the Tramp picture is nice art as art, but a ruined buttcheek. I don't see any reason to take it down, but I can admit the need to keep people from posting pics of themselves and others. Massive data-space drain, best save it for the drawings.

kiamoonfang

5 years, 10 months ago

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Sounds like some dick who just had to make him or herself look important so they feel good about them self. Some corrupt little person with no importance what so ever. People like that shouldn't exist...

That is an awesome tat.

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