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Black Peeps - Roseanne

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So they cancelled Roseanne because of a bad joke she made off the set and in "public" that someone looked like the Muslim brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby.  This is offense apparently because the women is at least half black.  I would not know she was black from her picture.

Suddenly everyone is offended and show gets immediately cancelled.  THE number one show on that network btw.

So here is my question to black people.  Do you care or offended by this joke?
Before you knee jerk react, think about it, are you deeply offended?  or don't care.  (granted its a bad joke, equivalent of your momma is SO ugly...)

But I heard an Irish joke yesterday (I was not offended and found it mildly funny - I am Irish Italian, both of which were oppressed minorities 100 years ago so find it amusing when grandfathered into being "white")  It was done in an Irish accent too which made it more amusing.
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CodyFox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://theconversation.com/the-ape-insult-a-short-hist...

The answer is yes. The problem with so-called "jokes" like this is that they represent a degradation of progress that has been made in the last 60 to 70 years toward resolving the many sins of the past. Comments like that cause pain because their intent is to reduce the humanity of the target and anyone who is of similar background. It is not a joke, because there is no punchline. There is no irony, no satire, no social commentary or parody. It is just a dehumanizing attack that is intended to cause harm.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
the person does not look black and she may not have known she was "black"...are you black yourself or infantilizing them that they need to be protected from jokes?
CodyFox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
I'm black. I've been exposed to racist jokes before about black people and even more than offending me they make me question the judgment of the person making them. Racial comedy is a very tricky topic and not something most people should get into. The vast majority of the time it just doesn't work and comes across as crude at best.

As far as Ms. Jarret being black, it is something that should be apparent to most people who pay attention to politics as she was one of Obama's top black advisors. If in doubt, a simple review of her Wikipedia page would show that her parents were both African American. This is something else that I think is important. Good comedy involves knowledge. Comedians spend time researching and understanding the things they are joking about so they don't come across as being ignorant. Smart comedy tends to be the best comedy.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
I think this was off the cuff diss, not a researched joke.  Granted in poor taste, but I think she was just making a diss on looks, not race.
CodyFox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Rosanne and some others have claimed that as an excuse, but it doesn't make sense. The first part of her "diss" was a reference to Muslim Brotherhood. It was a (poorly thought out) attack based on where Ms. Jarrett was born. Her parents were in Iran providing healthcare to poor children when she was born. Rosanne is aware of that and believes Ms. Jarrett is somehow connected to Muslim extremists. It is one of the stupid conspiracy theories that she has caught on to. It is kind of preposterous to think she looked into all of that and yet was somehow ignorant of Ms. Jarrett's ethnicity. Anyway, Rosanne made a similar "ape" joke about a different black woman who worked for Obama, Susan Rice. She knew exactly what she was doing this time too.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
what she apparently said, looking it up was that rice was a man with big swinging ape balls. (for some reason that made me laugh just the picture in my head, the balls are swinging not the man btw)  I think the more disparaging part was calling her a man and just her "balls" are apelike.  And it was said 5 years ago...hardly a pattern makes.
Kupok
1 month, 2 weeks ago
It's less about weather some dudes got offended and more about if ABC/Disney wants to endorse those words. This wasn't the first time ABC/Disney had asked Rosanne to cool it.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
of course they have right to, but kinda stupid to cancel your number one show over a joke rather than virtue signalling
Kupok
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Avoid using buzzwords. Define virtue signaling. Buzzwords such as Virtue Signaling shift meaning rapidly depending on time, context, and perspective.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group (wikipedia).  You are doing it not because you are truly offended, but to appear morally superior.  I really doubt these people up in arms are truly aghast at the comment.
Kupok
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Is being (or at least appearing to be)morally superior not a major goal for a network that presumes to be family friendly?
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
considering all the curse words common on tv now...NOPE....and this took place off camera, not on.  I just find it odd all the co-people on show say they are cutting ties with project.   First, they could be sued as under contract.  My favorite was the 18 yr telling her agent shes not going back...I was like who? had to look up who she was on show.
Kupok
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Perhaps you should take up a job as a PR director, certain that you are of your PR ability.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
i could, but you choose to question definitions rather than discuss the issues....that's more philosophy or critical thinking
Kupok
1 month, 2 weeks ago
What the FUCK kinda response is that? I'm talking about ABC's PR team and public relations response. I haven't questioned the definition of a single god damned fucking word, are you even paying attention?
Are you real?
Is that some kind of canned response to things you don't understand?

Seriously man. I'm happy to talk about the sociopolitical ramifications of being an asshole, But to even have an intelligent discussion on the issues I need you to pay attention. If you said to me "But you choose to focus on the PR" I'd not be so frustrated with you man. That would have been a super valid point.

So let's start over. What issue do you want to discuss? And have you already settled on your opinions? I've got a lot of personal uncertainty, but if you lack uncertainty, a discussion loses it's purpose.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
It wasnt PR team responding, it was leadership, virtue signalling they would cancel their no one show due to a joke on twitter.  You questioned what virtue signalling meant...  Clinton:  "What is the meaning of the word 'is'?"

I am focusing on how much money they are losing to be politically correct.  While same network allows liberals to call conservatives all kinda names. +50% of their audience...who watches that network but old people?

Financially they shot themselves in foot AGAIN
SirNathan
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Making Irish jokes doesn't give someone an opportunity to act sanctimonious and get offended on behalf of other people who have never suffered any systematic oppression personally. Especially when the differences between Irish and English isn't outwardly visible.

If the subject of the insult didn't even look black, then there's even less reason to get offended that the pathetic, minor reasons people actually use. Like the time a minor politiician made a joke about his own inability to remember the name of his assistant ("Makaka or something") and then to smear him his opposition looked around in every obscure language they could find until they found something they could construe as a racist insult.

And no matter how hard you virtue signal, you are guilty of something in the eyes of the far left and they eat their own.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
I was not getting sanctimonious, I was saying it was just a joke.  I was more wondering if black people are ACTUALLY offended by such jokes.

And yes they are eating their own, Roseanne is not conservative irl.
SirNathan
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Yeah, you're not the one I was accusing of getting sanctimonious. ;)

Also, I've now seen the woman in question and she does look a fair bit like a Planet of the Apes character. I wouldn't guess she was black from being told, but I would say she looks like an ape.
hunter865
1 month, 2 weeks ago
People of colour get offended by everything, i dont see whats wrong because she does look like something from the 2001 planet of the apes film.
Race is never brought into it when someone is compared to a pig or a horse so why here?
We all are decendants of apes so some people will look like them its genetics.
ruink
1 month, 2 weeks ago
as someone who is black, I heard the joke, laughed at the diss and said during my laughing, "No wonder your ass got canned."

I wrote two journals on this matter, so feel free to read up.
https://inkbunny.net/j/319142-ruink-roseannes-racism-ca...
https://inkbunny.net/j/319268

I leave you now with a fitting musical interlude, enjoy→ https://youtu.be/mPVpMxVn6mk
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
hmm, lot of hostility to the content of the show over there.  I trend more conservative/libertarian and I didn't really care for it that much.  It is actually liberal in its content, with transvestite children and pussy hats.  Oddly I think the message of the show is that the bigger a family gets, the more views and odd individuals are in it, and that family needs to come together in acceptance.  
moyomongoose
1 month, 2 weeks ago
I myself am biracial, and also 1/4 Polish. My grandmother on my mom's family was Polish, and a great grandmother on my dad's side of the family was black...
...My take on it is this;
1. It depends if malicious intent was involved, however that "Planet of the Apes" statement Rosanne used did push it too far over the edge...She should have known better.

2. Often times, it does not carry the same offense if the one who is telling the joke is also a member of the same ethnic group the joke is about.
    Examples; Relatives on my mom's side of my family and myself are comfortable telling Polish jokes among each other...Us being part Polish, we have at times.
                      However, if some neighbors dropped by who are 100% Mayflower Puritan stock (with no other ethnicity in their bloodline) told my relatives and I that, "a Polish bubble bath is sitting in a mud puddle and farting", my family and I would most likely take offence to it, depending on in what spirit the joke was told.

An accountant who was a friend of our family told my mom a joke, "What is a Jewish piano?...A cash register". However, he himself was Jewish, so it was not offensive on his part to have told that joke.

A black friend of mine, who owned a Pontiac Grand Prix at the time, told me a joke, "You know what Pontiac stands for?"
I replied, "No I don't. "What is it?"
He answered, "Poor Ole N***** Thinks It's A Cadillac".
One of the sons of a white family I know in Arkansas told me a joke, "What do you call a school bus full of white kids?"
I replied, "I have to say you got me guessing on that one".
He answered, "A Twinkie on wheels...Yellow on the outside with white filling".
       Now if it had been a white person telling the joke about the Pontiac, and had it been a black person telling the joke about the school bus full of white kids, I probably would have taken offence to both of those jokes.    
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
hm, I get what your saying, but I think the planet of the apes joke was a comment on looks not race.  To me it just seemed odd that the people aghast at the comment are mostly white people.  It was a diss, but I don't think she was being racist.

I think when people are offended by jokes, it is their own insecurity.  When I hear gay jokes, I take slight offensive, mainly due to my own insecurities and that they don't know I am gay.  If its a direct personal attack and meant to demean someone in person, THAT is offensive.  (The joke teller trying to make themselves superior to you is the offense.)  However, just being malicious itself is not that offensive.  A comedian attacking a heckler can be hilarious if they deserved it and the whole your momma type jokes are malacious, but in a one up manship sorta way.  So if it is offensive, what is the actual offense being committed?

Like I said, the Irish joke I heard yesterday didn't offend me.  I don't get offended by people doing Irish accents or Irish stereotypes because its just silliness.  In your example, the use of the N word kinda makes that joke offensive no matter who is telling it.
moyomongoose
1 month, 2 weeks ago
Of course I did use **** for the rest of that N word.
And considering I am biracial, maybe not as offensive as it would seem on the surface to those who do not know me.

And with that comment that Rosanne made...It would have been more tolerable had Whoopi Goldberg said it than for Rosanne to have said it.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
lol, I am not offended you used it as an example, :P  just that most people would consider the word offensive in most context.  It is jarring, possibly because we have been trained that it is a bad word by society.
moyomongoose
1 month, 2 weeks ago
True, there are some things society does consider as "sticky taboos".
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
well 10 years ago, saying the f, s c words in public were condemned, now the first 2 are on tv, sometimes in prime time, its a little shocking.

I was raised politely and we did not use these words, even damn, they were saved for when really relevant, which gave them more impact.  Now its just common speech with some people.  (I know separate topic)  My 3rd boss on going out to eat noticed little things I did, like table manners, not putting arms on table for example, which she noticed, which I was unconscious of, just habit, because I was raised right :P
saintgreene
1 month, 2 weeks ago
That post is far from the whole reason that she got canned.  It was just the last straw.  She's been cranking out hard-right conspiracy nonsense (e.g. QAnon) for quite some time and this was just the last bit that made the execs go "Enough!".
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
then why hire her to begin with, knowing what they would get...and shes very liberal, so hard-right bent seems your prejudiced view.  Question is why any reasonable human being doesn't believe in conspiracy theories?

so question why you think these are "hard right" and "nonsense"   Do you realize every US war since Mexican war was started with false flag, and many wars overseas are as well.  WW2 was started with germans dressing up as polish soldiers to provoke a border incident...but thats not in history books.  Nixon was quoted on his tapes that he thought Johnson killed Kennedy...is that a conspiracy?  (Oddly he did duck down in car BEFORE gun shots)
saintgreene
1 month, 2 weeks ago
" Yiffox wrote:
so question why you think these are "hard right" and "nonsense"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

http://www.newsweek.com/how-storm-biggest-fake-news-st...
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
so for example the CIA plot to get us into vietnam war, a totally faked false flag...the gulf of tonkin incident is wrong?  or 1993 false flag for iraq war, a dubai diplomat daughter lying before congress saying they were killing babies...or yellow cake thing to boot, both false

or the multiple syrian chemical weapons attacked debunked by UN...
most wars rely on such propaganda to get wars started.
Yiffox
1 month, 2 weeks ago
But missing point...it was their number one show...they are losing hundreds of millions by doing this...for something an actress did in private to virtue signal and who cares...Roseanne is a nutball, as long as she can perform and draw in millions of viewers WHO CARES

my point was, was anyone surprised or really aghast at her joke...middle america does not care...they hear those jokes weekly and laugh.

I chuckled as a gay man whose had relations with black individuals over her conflated "racist" post that Rice was a man with a big swinging pair of ape balls....SEE SEE racism, compared 2 blk women to um apes and one a man, and 5 years apart.

Does anyone really believe she is racist?  Maybe crazy...but she has a mixed raced marriage on her show and first gay kiss and openly gay characters on show in ummm 90s?
Darckwolf
1 month, 1 week ago
Roseanne has been a nutjob for a very long time, Valery Jarrett has always been a monster deserving of criticism, SJW types have always had a selectively thin skin, and that network blew out $60 million in ad revenue over a freaking tweet. I can't feel sorry for anyone in this picture to be honest.
Yiffox
1 month, 1 week ago
I agree XD  It would have been nice for someone who lost their job, to just say, are you guys friggin crazy for CBS shooting themselves in the foot over nothing to virtue signal.
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