My view on latest furry drama/AltFurry- FA staff by Kooskia < Journal

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Athari

5 years, 11 months ago

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What did I miss? 😁

SpoonFox

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Athari

ToS changes.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Athari

Do not identify with or promote real hate or terrorist organizations and their ideologies.
A hate group is one that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a designated sector of society (e.g. Nazism, KKK, ISIS, Alt-Right). Symbols of hate associated with these groups (e.g. Swastika, Confederate Flag, etc.) will not be permitted in user avatars, real-life photographs (unless for historical education), and content intended solely to disrupt the community. Users who identify with or promote real hate or terrorist organizations and their ideologies may be permanently banned from Fur Affinity without warning.

I may also underline that Inbunny terms of service has also a similar line:

Acceptance
No one has the right to harass anyone for their tastes or the content of artwork they post on Inkbunny. Inkbunny encourages a community where people of all different interests can co-exist. The community attitude is one of acceptance of the widest possible range of views and ideas, as long as they do not encourage hate and intolerance.

((while Inkbunny line may be a bit blurred over it, the line should also quite be applied to users who commit hate propaganda))

wollypegger

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

I've always thought it peculiar that people don't research this better.

"	T.O.S. wrote:
	... Confederate Flag ...

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ wollypegger

Enlight me please, what reason should have someone to display that flag if not stressing a connection to that separatist slavery-founded rougue breakaway nation.

wollypegger

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

I don't know.

I just find it interesting that the "Confederate Flag" has always been what was the "Battle Standard" and none of the rest.

Fly any of the others, and it would probably be passed off as a goofy flag. Fly that Battle Standard and people get tied up in knots over it.

Don't mind me, just being a goof.

MrCoyote

5 years, 11 months ago

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There are two things we must remember when these issues arise:

1- you should not tolerate the intolerant, if you do, you are his accomplice.

2 - we must educate all people so that the atrocities of the past and the present are not repeated.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ MrCoyote

I hate to live of stereotypes, but after years of discussions, talks and observing I noticed how truly a big chunk of Americans are paranoids-nationalists fed-up with decades of propaganda, eating shit-food and obsessed with a nichilist love for weapons.
A country born out of gangster after all...

It's a pity that "Legacy" tends to overshadow the more proud legacy of a constitutional democratic state, of the struggles of miners and workers and women for their rights between late '800 and early '900. Of the volunteers who (persecuted in USA) departed to fight the fascism in Spain. Of the people who said no to killing and getting killed in Vietnam.

Of people who cast away the conservative, white-machist oppressive society in '60s and brought sexual and body liberation.
This is particulalry important, that while lots of these Alt-furries enjoy (like most) a "normal" free sexual life (including homosexuality but not just that), such freedom is OWED to the struggles of a generation they actually despise.

I would have never got a furry fandom, without '68. Period.
And that's particularly true, considering the furry fandom, like EVERY fandom it's basically born out of the original nucleous of Sci-Fans of the first generation Star Trek TV-series: a series that anticipated multiculturalism/unied human society (with a black woman and a russian among the crew). They started the concept of "fandom" and meetings and conventions, just for information.

MrCoyote

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ MrCoyote

I would say that this stereotype that you formulate is a model to follow on the part of its leaders, after all, having a fanatical society costs nothing to throw them as dogs against any "evil" they encounter.

Indeed, keeping in mind that from some Democratic sectors of the US society sometimes came out elements who attempt defy this rule. One was JFK who despite making interests of certain sectors, he was also opposed by others (the Mafia-connection with the Miami based Cuban community, who ended killing him for the betrayal of Bay of Pigs, when he pulled out support of the invasors and later during the Cuban Missile Crisis he came out with a solution aiming to a more stable peace than to fuel the conflicts), to the same Obama: I was skeptical at the beginning of his presidency but in the end he proved to make a couple of deals (Iran and Cuba) with his service close to end and ultimately all aimed for a quite selfless interest for general normalization and peace accords.
No wonder the current Bleached Boar the US got as president (aka: Trump) wants to revert them: moreover proving a point to the WHOLE International community that "You can't trust USA if one president make a deal, and 1 year later the second president doesn't keep faith to deals made in name of the American nation"

UmbreonaDark

5 years, 11 months ago

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My main stance is that being furry has nothing to do with Politics and any site that deals with furry stuff is welcome to keep themselves out of politics as much as they want.

However: I agree that generally speaking furries are a weird one to also be Conservatives unless they are SO Conservative that they want humans to cease to exist and to have everything go back to the way it was before we screwed this planet up six ways from Sunday. I know those do exist but that level of Ultimate Conservatism is pretty rare.

Either way: Hate and intolerance of others based on things that make no difference to you, such as their color, gender, or sexual orientation, is stupid and unproductive.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ UmbreonaDark

I don't care if people has certain feelings or opinion and keep for themsleves or discuss in open way. But actually happens the contrary.

"	I agree that generally speaking furries are a weird one to also be Conservatives unless they are SO Conservative that they want humans to cease to exist

I have seen and talked with them, and they are more the category of "who care, fapping material". This people do not understand what a fandom is (and fandom it's NOT only yiff).

Meowz

5 years, 11 months ago

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Edited 5 years, 11 months ago by Owner

Politics have no place in all of this, and it should not matter what people think. As far as I know, alt right isn't extremist anyway. Some people are, but that's always the case with hard opinions : some people take them too far.

And I know several Furries who identify as alt right. Nice people.

This whole thing terrifies me, because there is nothing more I despise than the concept accusing someone of the crime of "wrong think". These are all opinions, and I don't doubt for a second that they would remove users simply for holding some beliefs. Who was removed from FA for this? Have they been violent? No? Then leave them be. Have they harassed anybody? Yes? Then they acted against the terms of use we already had in place since the sites inception. And we don't need a revision.

This is thought policing. I'm on Inkbunny because I hate thought policing. I like cub art. Same difference.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Meowz

While i talked and met fellow furries who probably identify as such, I have no problems if they keep it personal and nothing else. One ban indeed appears to be toward one user (Cobalt) who in my opinion never expressed/exposed this kind of beliefs-comments in journals or arts.

Said that, there is an active "community" of that people who expose their views related to the fandom with arts and journals.
And they (for the above said-reasons, that go beyond the same Furaffinity stuff) should be banned from everywhere: you can't possibly be into a fandom where a wolf and a cat are equal, acts as equal and lives together, morever having sex together and then use such art and the name of the fandom to claim an xenophobic racial slur. You are simply not part of the fandom becausse you fails to understand some basic principles.

Meowz

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

Would reply proper and everything, but I am currently on travels and only have a tiny phone for this. :)

Meowz

5 years, 11 months ago

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That is the thing. I am for that they can produce art and journals. The whole thing about forcing them to keep it to themselves is not compatible with democratic processes and free thinking. It is a huge step back to want to suppress it all. If it's not illegal in its own right, it is protected by the free speech laws. And with good reason. The least popular opinions need that kind of protection the most. We may not like these opinions, but there is no such thing as a wrong one. I also don't see incompatiblities to Furriness. That is like saying you cannot love animals if you aren't a Vegan as well. A lot of things that don't mix well can still coexist nicely. A bunch of friends of mine...

As mentioned before, xenophobic racial slurs *will* get you banned already. This new TOS thing is regressive as can be. Not constructive at all. But I guess aot of people will only realise that when it's suddenly *their* opinion being buried. :/

Meowz

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Meowz

So sorry this is such a serious and not fun thing to talk about... I hope you don't mind it as much. To me all that's legal is either fine and protected as a freedom, or else I feel like I am not deserving of any, myself.

There seem to be a bunch of misconceptions about what alt right is. I know alt right people who are tolerant enough to accept my Inkbunny. My bisexuality. All that is foreign about me. But never mind that. Many hugs, Koosksie

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Meowz

It's not a problem ^^
I had my share of meetings online with people that barricading behind the terms of "freedom of speach" attempt everything to hurt and damage other people. And I stumbled upon direct-trapping behavior by this category of "persons", trapping me into a temporary ban on FA.

I am fine and understand you want to see good in everyone and try to focus on the best of the ones around you.
I just try to ignore these peoples, even if they are loyal to their own words (and if they are not hypocrits) I should ends shot-dead according their point-of view.

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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(It should be noted that I follow and am a fan of many of the individuals and artists in the fandom who are a bit "questionable" in the way they operate, but I'm here for pictures, not politics.)

This is brought up by some tobacco-related mustelid if I'm not mistaken?

I disagree with the "ban-without-explanation-or-appeal" thing since it comes across as being the very "thought police" that FA doesn't support, but there's also a certain line that shall not be crossed when it comes to spouting bigotry and hatred.

Nazifurs have been a thing forever-and-a-day but the bulk of them are basically just characters played by folks exploring aspects of a society that they aren't actually members of. Once one crosses the line from fantasy and roleplay to reality, the lines start to blur and things get sensitive.

Those who tread the blurry lines tend to be the ones who get the most upset when something challenges their beliefs and opinions, often to the point of inflammatory and offensive speech and behavior.

There are a number of folks this could apply to (militia-themed felines come to mind as well) but I've only seen one long-time, right-wing fur get bent out of shape and go on a tirade, so I can't be sure who/what is involved exactly.

While I can't condone the methods FA and such have used, I can agree with the logic.

Better to throw out the bad (or even slightly moldy and sour) apples, then spoil the whole crop.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

Explanation should be ever done. I would like to stress however that from further reading I am discovering, it appears these "Alt-furries" made deliberate propaganda approach (aka "exploiting" the fandom to bring weak furries (there are lots of them) into their hate group).
I should stress this is different from Nazifurs who mostly have just a kink for uniforms (while a bit idiotic in my opinion it's far less heavy and important).

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

Yet one more reason why I stay out of the drama and politics and try to avoid interactions with others in the fandom outside of roleplaying.

I've been a furry for over two decades and I've seen the fandom at its best and worst. I've watched personalities rise, fall, and become forgotten. I've seen whole sites appear, flourish, and fail. It's only been in the last three years that I've seen the fandom turn from a quiet acceptance of the other outcasts from the mainstream to a divided, tribal, cutthroat, us-versus-them establishment.

The worst part of it is that, as a whole, furries are finally beginning to be accepted as just another group of people equal to anime fans, comic book nerds, or Doctor Who (or any other series/franchise) fans. Now, we're suddenly in the middle of a social upheaval where everyone wants to count as being special and worthy of standing apart from the rest while simultaneously banding together to form cohorts of like-minded individuals who'd rather push their group's agendas than simply live and let live.

The zoo and cub stuff being pushed off certain sites due to legal reasons is understandable and begrudgingly acceptable. Having to sift through submissions that aren't relevant to one's interests is to be expected. Disagreeing with others is likewise something that WILL happen, and is the reason that some higher power invented the "Block/Ignore" function.

Common sense and common courtesy are endangered species.

I wasn't happy about the influx (and overwhelming amount) of gay male furries back when the floodgates suddenly opened, but that was not because I have a problem with the people, just the art. I'm straight and it doesn't do anything for me, even though I find myself appreciating the effort put into some of it. I just move past/block/delete any submissions that come through my feed on art sites and think nothing more.

When the herms took off like some kind of runaway train or vampires took over as the predominant fursona, followed shortly by demons and lycans, I shrugged my way through it and soldiered on.

When the LGB community decided to add more alphabet soup to their self-applied label, I rolled with it as best I could (everyone has a breaking point and some things just got/get absurd after a while) and made my opinions and beliefs known because it's not right to allow/expect one side to enjoy all the benefits of self-expression. It wasn't a popular thing to do, and I don't regret it, but I never took a stance of intolerance or hatred. We're all meat that wants to be special, after all. We just come in different cuts and qualities from different animals (or tofu blocks, if you're vegan, I guess).

When the climate shifted to this latest "everyone is special but only if I'm included in the privileged portion" mentality, I resigned myself to dealing with more overly-defensive, self-aggrandizing, perpetually-offended, over-educated, entitled participation-award-recipients raised by special snowflakes who were the first to receive trophies simply for showing up and were raised on the idea that everyone is wrong who would tell you "no" to anything.

And, news flash, people: most rules and laws come down to "no."

No speaking of/to others with the intent to harm or promoting such.

No causing harm to persons, property, or reputation.

No impeding the growth and development of others.

No dangerous activities or promotion of such.

No forcing beliefs or opinions onto others.

No. No. No. No. No.

No more.

To say "I dislike x" or "I'd prefer y" is normal, human nature, and should be expected.

To want to join others who feel that way is also normal and to be expected. We're social creatures, after all.

But, if what you're saying is how things are going in the fandom these days, I'm afraid for the future of furries as a whole, not just the groups under siege.

No, it's not okay to spew bigotry and hatred, or to recruit others to the same line of thinking...

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

...But it's also not okay to sweep it under the rug in dealing with it, or to simply bring down the hammer without stating a reason.

Even the most famous character in the world (who created the world, if you're into that thing) gave a goddamn warning when humanity screwed up before laying down the punishments.

"Ya'll get your shit together, here. These two cities are a wretched hive of scum and villainy, sin, and vice. This isn't what I want from you. Cut the crap or I'm gonna do something you won't like."

And Old Testament God was kind of an a-hole...

To promote intolerance and to start waving banners and calling for the persecution of others is pretty goddamn fascist, but so is putting boots to asses without saying "here's why."

Transparency goes a long way.

There's a popular show in the US which shows law enforcement officers doing their job in real-time, on live tv. Since it began, I've had friends who used to be anti-government, borderline anarchists start to see things from the other side. "Well, I thought that was bullshit, but I see it has a purpose, now" is a pretty common theme when we watch together.

A bit of understanding goes a long way. And those who refuse to make the attempt are the ones who will ruin it for the rest of us.

FA was already just a few letters short of "fascist," to begin with. Now, we've got people with fascist ideals pushing to add a few letters while they wonder what's causing the shift.

Someone shit in the pool and is about to ruin it for everyone because they got kicked out.

In the words of the great Professor Hubert Farnsworth: "I don't want to live on this planet anymore."

Crystal21

5 years, 11 months ago

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ANTIFA is the problem. I rest my case.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Crystal21

I live in a country that has been under a fascist dictatorship for years, who suffered for the war. My grandfather was deported when he refused to join the northern italian fascist republic. My father was engaged for years in political activities in '60s and '70s when fascists (with connection with GLADIO-system related to the secret services) made bombs into the city killing civilians.
Americans fed-up by State Propaganda and Red Scare terror would never understand the horrors Europe witnessed and the resurgence of Neo-fascist militant groups that exploit the economic and immigration issues to regain their momentum.
I am proud to be part of that sector of the European democratic society who still label itself anti-fascist, and it's a pity that so many americans who ignore the history are literally spitting on the grave of thousands of US soldiers killed first as volunteers (Spain, to attempt to restrain the black tide) and then on Normandy shores.

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Crystal21

The group that's supposedly against fascism while behaving like fascists, themselves?

I can see that. All these interest groups could very easily be fingered as the catalysts, though. LGBTQA-etc., third-wave feminists, Black Lives Matter, any of the 100+ militia groups in the US, PETA...

The problem is the hypocrisy in all of these groups and their own blindness to it. "We're equal so treat us that way, only better, because we're the same as you, just better."

The system's broken everywhere, but everyone's more interested in gaining an advantage for themselves rather than fixing the problems.

Humans suck.

Which is why I self-identify as a couch potato.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

So fighting anti-fascism is supposed to be the same as "fascist" because Allegedly violent?
By the same logic, the US troops killed in Europe were fascists too xD
It's a quite common hypocrit talk from right-wing americans who proclaim some sacred defense in terms "all are violents thus are fascist": hypocrit as i said, coming from a nation that quite daily impose its dominaton and sphere of influence with war, conflicts.

Also, what are you talking about? Anti-fascism and ground-urban Antifa movments have little to share the other things you've listed apart a quite loose common line (and i should stress I care little for a couple of them). This is once again the product of a certain right-wing propaganda where apparently "everyone who oppose us is a red evil commie".
"Freedom of speach" and talk of equality are all right for a country where black people were hanged on trees and lynched out of fun while workers were persecuted.

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

Well, I'm all for the "let's not force our ways on others" but when you spread that message by banging on people's cars and screaming in their faces outside coffee shops, you're becoming a terror group to fight a terror group. I mean, really, what does my getting a latte have to do with someone feeling oppressed? How does my wife driving home from work constitute a crime against someone's humanity?

The savage hypocrisy needs to be faced before any real, lasting change can occur.

This isn't a war. It's not life-and-death for the masses. It's "I don't like you telling me what to do" but it's being directed at anyone and everyone.

Discretion is the better part of valor, correct? That saying comes up a lot in terms of retreating and living to fight another day, but it applies equally well to choosing your targets properly and meeting them with an appropriate show of force. In WW2, the US didn't nuke the crap out of everyone who pissed us off. We dropped two bombs on the only folks who didn't get the memo that everyone else was pretty much done with the fighting. Could we have chosen better targets? Sure. Could we have scaled down the bombs to be less destructive? Of course.

In this example, we couldn't get Japan to bugger off and stop doing the dicky things they were doing to everyone and no other option presented itself as viable. We didn't arbitrarily pick two random cities and turn them into radioactive rubble just because we were miffed. We chose targets that would get our point across and a payload that would broker no argument to that point. And, remember, the first, smaller bomb didn't get the message across.

So, fast forward a few decades and scale back the conflict. We've got Millenials with signs blocking traffic and smacking cars with those signs, venting misdirected rage at anyone and everyone. So, what's the point of screwing up my car's paint job? I'm with you on the matters of "stop trying to dictate/ruin my life." I just choose to exercise my right to vote for those I believe will make a change for the better. I form and sign petitions. I attend civic meetings and speak my mind to those assembled.

I do not try to force my beliefs on others. I simply state them and hope for rational discourse if someone disagrees. I'm open-minded and my opinions can be changed if there's a good reason.

Fascists seek to dominate others and bend them to their way of thinking and behaving, desiring to make the world in their ideal image, attempting to use race or national pride to garner support and prove superiority to those deemed inferior. It's domineering, brutish, and often violent, with a zealous "us or them" or "our way is the only way" ideology.

So, let's examine the actions of the players involved for a moment.

It doesn't take much to see that it's one fascist group opposing another.

Here in the US, ANTIFA is just as bad as the people they're supposedly against. Their failing is a lack of direction, where their opponents have a direction but lack solid support. Both are loud, unpopular, and opinionated. Both want the other side to fall in line or be crushed under their vision of a righteous offensive, fighting fire with fire.

So, let's scale down to the FA drama, now.

Right-wing furry whackos pushing a fascist agenda and trying to drum up support, versus a site administration that is known for it's "shoot first, ask questions later" policies.

It's like being asked to choose between the devils of various religions. You do your homework and side with the lesser evil only if you have to. Otherwise, you stay the hell out of the way. Pun not intended.

Now, I'm not saying it's wrong to stand up for your rights and your beliefs, but picking one's battles and knowing when to apply pressure/force is key.

Back to the original subject: nobody's right, only less wrong, and the "winning" party should be wholly transparent with any and all who would be affected or possibly have to deal with the fallout.

Nuke pun intended.

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

TL;DR: A dick-measuring contest doesn't mean you get to BE a dick, nor does winning the contest make you any less of a dick.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

Plus once more you speak with the filter of media propaganda: while it's true that during a violent rally there can be damages due people acting the wrong way (direct action doesn't mean "crash everything") you use it as excuse to unvalidate anti-fascism to protect fascism. We saw this happening for years in europe.
I should also stress the obsessive (and propagandist) over-use of the term "terrorism" to indicate whatever group or single person that oppose in any way to the corrent goverment, a quite widespread practic done by the way by the same Nazi Germany, Israel and South Africa under Apartheid.

The "isn't a war. It's not life-and-death for the masses" came again from the American illusion of living in a golden cage.
I should repeat myself, but this its exactly what happened for decades in europe (with direct bombing and armed assaults)
While I understood your message of "Discretion is the better part of valor" (that i only partially agree, because it can easily lead to passivity and inactivity). I would suggest you to avoid to recall the Nuclear bombing on Japan as example, especially since it's another historical event overplayed by the US official history: there was no "need" to use the bombs to subdue the Japanese to peace; on the other hand there was a real impending need to scare the Soviets (who just crushed the most powerful left Japanese Army in Manchuria in a matter of few days) and who were going to land in Hokkaido.
In a way destroying the two cities and killing so many people was exactly what was needed, on US perspective.

"Both want the other side to fall in line or be crushed under their vision of a righteous offensive, fighting fire with fire."
This is not exactly the general conduct of US foreign policy?

To insult anti-fascism in that way, to call it as "equal" as fascist, it's among the most horrible ways an American could spit over his own martyrs graveyard.
In addition to be an extremely new media play: left-wing activism and struggle against conservative society ever existed in the USA. Just never before it occurred to see a so widespread resurgence of white suprematist, right-wing extremism and fascism. To call both sides "equal" for an alleged similar use of "violence" it's historically, morally, practically wrong: it is usually committed by three categories, 1) the same governative bodies, who don't care to solve the issue of widespread right-wing extremism and are rather happy over it 2) the ones who try to ignore the problems and still believe the USA to be some kind of perfect nation 3) the ones who feels morally "above" of both sides, decrying violence, while failing to understand its something of genetical of the american society.

It's somewhat depressing to look how easily are guilled americans: media tell you "both are violent, they are the same thing" and you trust it. You accept this lithany, the same one who brought fascists to power and discredited the anti-fascists.

To try sum-up and come back to the beginning
"Right-wing furry whackos pushing a fascist agenda and trying to drum up support"
They are simply NOT furries. Something I pointed at first.

Gendasi

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Kooskia

I'll be honest: I didn't read the bulk of this last message since this is more political and in-depth than I was wanting or expecting. It also feels as though you have a personal stake in this somehow and an agenda that I'm either missing clues to or some bias that I'm not picking up on. I read the summary statement, which I do and do not agree with, for various reasons I'll not detail for the sake of brevity.

Furries are too accepting and inclusive, but also too divisive to apply a blanket label to any of them. If your point is that these people infiltrated like spies just to garner support, it was lost in translation somewhere. Otherwise...

We're going to have to agree to disagree on some points, here.

Extreme measures were taken to combat extreme behavior. It happens all the time. Doesn't make it right. I can't defend extremism in any form, but sometimes, it appears the only recourse and winds up being the chosen solution, however unfortunate.

Societal differences aside, we're actually preaching the same things from different viewpoints. We come from two similar yet different political climates, so this is to be expected. Spreading hatred and intolerance and unleashing a mob mentality is just wrong, whatever the cause or purpose. I'll admit an ignorance to the current political landscape of nations besides my own, but I chose the references I did to (as the references did) make a statement that was universally understood.

As with the actions taken in the references I made, it could have been done (much) better, but the point got across, I just think this is a matter of me being a bit further removed than you are (or vice versa, I don't know) and seeing the same scene through different filters.

It's the duty of those in power to communicate effectively with and ensure the well-being of those who they are in charge of. If one side or the other crosses a line, the other side should not cross that line as well unless it is warranted. Most times, the reaction is far more severe than the catalyst deserves, as is the case with the FA bans. Effective communication and leadership might have prevented a lot of undue drama, but here we are, talking about it days later... at length.

As said above, you can win a dick-measuring contest by becoming a dick, but you're still a dick, even if the other guy is being one as well.

I feel like this is a deeply personal and emotional topic for you, whereas I'm trying to be as objective as possible, so again, we'll have to agree to disagree on why we agree on certain points. Furthermore, since further discussion will only continue to circle back to this point and I feel there's no reason to continue with it, I'll leave these messages here for others to mull over and draw their own conclusions without further cluttering this page.

Once again, with these bans and drama, nobody is right, only less wrong.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ Gendasi

I am fine closing this here. It's clear from your messages you are one among the many furries who just would like to avoid the existance of this conflict in the community. And this is perfectly respectable.

You are also right on wondering about personal past experiences, and I may adds that coming from a different nation with a different family's background it's probably a quite big element of difference.

I equally hope the fandom it's going to avoid further of this conflict (or never see it resurging), but i have quite strong fears over it. I hope time will prove me wrong on this.

VinchenzoTheJackal

5 years, 11 months ago

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I must admit, while I have a hatred for the extreme right, the fanatical people who promote persecution based on their belief of a supreme race and a superior political view, I've had little issue with people just being right wing so long as they are tolerant. And, a most important rule, if you can't say anything nice, keep it to yourself.

For a while FA hasn't followed that, and FA once swept under the rug and protected their staff for promoting prejudice simply because they had to protect the more important prioritized fandom members and the reputation of their website as a whole. I've had staff take down my journals claiming they are prejudiced against whites and Christians, when I'm white, and I have nothing against being Christian normally. But, apparently my claims and attacks against the KKK and Neo-nazis was condemned by FA staff a while back, my journals were taken down, and I am forbidden to talk about it on the site and appeal to staff because staff are immune to the rules and punishment because reporting them is a form of rule-breaking called harassment and slander. Of all thing, to this day, even mentioning my problems on the site is against the rules of the website, and my journals are outright taken down for the protection of the website.

If anything, I've faced harassment and abuse over race, religion, and political views, but the FA staff is two-faced deceitful people when it comes to their site and enforcing their rules. I'm glad your at least looking at the poor method they enforce this rule. If they ban without explanation, they aren't helping their cause. Plus, rules should apply to everyone.

Kooskia

5 years, 11 months ago

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@ VinchenzoTheJackal

I agree on the first line, but the point it's that apparently there has been self-styled "furries" who make hate propaganda trying to recruit others (and among furries you easily find persons very easily attracted to join some group or feels better over their personal problems).

The Furaffinity staff make mandatory bans if you speak of specific persons in your journals. But apart this, if you had issues with staff solutions are 1) contact them and try to solve 2) move on.

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