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by Lizzyroo

Seems like alot of ppl/artists are like doing stuff with gore/snuff stuff. WHY, i know there are like block keywords and such. but still, Furs who like do this gore and snuff pictures. Way i feel about it that they arent Furries at all. they are like trolls

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Added:	6 years, 2 months ago 29 Jan 2018 23:55 CET

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ConejoBlanco

6 years, 2 months ago

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I totally respect what someones likes or dislikes. But as artist myself, i think these stuff are the worst stuff i ever seen since i joined FA and here too.
Even the cub porn are stuff that are way disturbing for me.

Lizzyroo

6 years, 2 months ago

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@ ConejoBlanco

i mean i dont care what someone likes or dislikes either. but when it comes to the hard hard stuff. it bothers me some. only cause some artists who post this type of stuff wont use keywords until like later. its more about posting the stuff right away. or they use keywords with mistype word so doesnt matter if you block the keyworld

Furlips

6 years, 2 months ago

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The problem is they ARE furries.
Ink Bunny in particular is a large cesspool of fucked up stuff.
For the fucked up ones to flock to.

Bunners

Whippy

5 years, 10 months ago

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In a way, you could also turn on people who play violent video games or watch violent movies. Why do they want to witness this kind of stuff?  As an artist myself, I've always been "on the fence" about drawing violent content. On the outside, yes it's disturbing. If it were real, then yes it would be extremely wrong and cruel. On the other hand though, it's very good at getting out angry feelings in a way that doesn't actually hurt anybody in real life. Why do people run over pedestrians in Grand Theft Auto without any regard for lives? Same reason, it's a way to blow off steam.

When I draw such pictures, I'm not trying to make a moral statement or show people how to behave in their lives. I also tag all such pictures with the word "gore", "blood", and other relevant things. My whole reason for posting such things is merely for other people who like to be able to find it. And I keyword hoping that others have blocked such things before complaining at me.

I do like to draw cute, warm things also. Quite a lot actually. At the moment there's about  1,300 pictures in my gallery. Of those, maybe 8 at most contain gore. You probably like to see the furry fandom as a cohesive whole, with some people being part of it while others are not. Furry is very much a continuum and also a lot of people in it disagreeing on what should and should not be there.  I've had a guy literally curse me out for drawing a hemipenis on Spike the dragon. Others got upset that I've drawn scat. One of two got upset about cub. So far nobody's got upset over my gore images though :P  Probably because i barely draw any at all.

If anything, I think the fandom could use a lot more tolerance  towards all forms of fetish art, even stuff I don't personally like.

GFHCDK76

5 years, 4 months ago

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@ Whippy

That first part I get, and I play violet video games for the same reasons. To blow off steam. I also like to hit things to blow off steam wile thinking of hurting someone also, and it does not always matter who, so long as it is a person whom had pissed me off at some time. So I very much get the need for doing that. Oh, I don't just run them over in that game, I get out of my car and have at them with a bat. That's a bit more satisfying to me. ^.^

But to me, in those games, they are not real, and so I don't feel bad doing it. Same as with the Chow in the sonic games I have not treated so nicely, just to test what the game is like, when I do treat them mean. However, with the Chow, for some reason, I have felt badly about it. And I can't exactly explain why. I know part of it is due to haven developed a form of emotional attachment to them.

Yeah, if your pictures are tagged with blood and gore, I'd be looking at it. For I do find such exciting to see. And yes, it is a great idea, any tag their pictures correctly, so they can be found or blocked.

You draw cute, and warm things? I'd be looking at them too. I love cute, warm, and cuddly things. ^.^

Now, you see, I have no prob with others drawing things even like scat, or any drawing really. But when violent images of others suffering are shown, and it's the action of giving pain and fear being shown is what is being praised, it is not furries, or even the art itself I question, I question the why is dishing out cruel suffering seen as such a good thing by some, to be doing to any others, mostly the young. That thought from such comments given, not the art itself, I find unsettling.

However, tolerant I have been, I will continue to be, as many others still are of what they may not like. But I do question the call for tolerance, in the face of some pointing out their own views on a subject they may not like. We can't have tolerance, but a dictatorship, if there is a lack of tolerance of any being let to speak their mind on what they may not like.

But I get it, it's un-cool to jump on a post with cub snuff and rape, and complain openly about it in comments under that post, mostly when it is well tagged as such. Much as it is uncool to hop onto a journal entry and talk about the freedoms any should have, wile giving a verbal slap to one whom is exorcising that right within their own post, by about saying, "don't post and say what you want, be tolerant of what others wish to post." We only end up with a dilemma of a paradox on individual ideals that are the same, and yet not, at the same time. It can't exist in that way. O.o

But that is just part of my line of thinking. >.>

Whippy

5 years, 4 months ago

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@ GFHCDK76

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Much as it is uncool to hop onto a journal entry and talk about the freedoms any should have, wile giving a verbal slap to one whom is exorcising that right within their own post, by about saying, "don't post and say what you want, be tolerant of what others wish to post." We only end up with a dilemma of a paradox on individual ideals that are the same, and yet not, at the same time. It can't exist in that way. O.o

So (for example), you're saying that I'm obstructing someone's right to free speech by not allowing hateful comments to my art? The thing is, all of this doesn't develop in a vacuum. This is the internet and people tend to act in ways that they wouldn't out in everyday life. That also gives rise to ..well....the whole furry fandom basically. But I see comments and art as two very different things. Anyone can type up a message and curse someone out - that takes zero skill. Art on the other hand, takes years to learn and continues to be refine through one's lifetime. So we have something which everyone can do versus something fewer people can do.

I can say something incredibly hurtful in less than 10 seconds or I can paint a beautiful picture in 20 hours. And so we have a skill which takes a lot of effort and time to develop being filtered through a web site's posting rules and then being criticized once it reaches it's destination. Should someone's hostile comments be blocked? Since it takes less skill and time to do such things - I'd say yes. It seems like it gets harder and harder to draw whatever you want every year in this online world. With site's forcing people to censor things or not post them at all. Art is usually discouraged as a career or even as a hobby. I just don't see comments as a necessary thing compared to being able to make and post art.

"	I question the why is dishing out cruel suffering seen as such a good thing by some, to be doing to any others, mostly the young. That thought from such comments given, not the art itself, I find unsettling.

Same here. It's downright creepy.... I was asked if I could draw Fievel Mousekewitz getting killed once - I flat out refused to. That's way too far for me. I want to see such characters being happy and experiencing pleasure, not the opposite.

GFHCDK76

5 years, 4 months ago

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@ Whippy

"	So (for example), you're saying that I'm obstructing someone's right to free speech by not allowing hateful comments to my art?

Yes, but I also said it is un-cool for them to place hurtful comments under your art.

Then again, it also depends on what is thought of as hurtful. Some do go too far in their comments, but some artists can also get too upset over some simple criticism as well.

It is kind of an on going battle by near everyone over what is thought of as OK to say, how it is said, and under what context.

It is all opinions, and even I have mine.

"	This is the internet and people tend to act in ways that they wouldn't out in everyday life. That also gives rise to ..well....the whole furry fandom basically.

True, some don't act as they would in person. Even I do a little, to a point. But some like me mostly speak online as we would in person. Well, for me, other them admitting to viewing cub porn openly, I like to keep my job.

Most other subjects I keep out in the open to talk freely about, even my viewing of the MLP cartoon, even to those I worked with. You may not think a guy who worked with a horde of other guys at a lumber yard, tell them that he is a furry, what that means, and such openly to them, but I did. I even told them about the sexual side of the furry community, and I am not shy about the details when talking about it to them.

Speaking of the furry community or fandom, they don't hide on the net either. I have been to a few fur cons, and other much smaller gatherings with some of them dressed up out in the public. Furries are not exactly a hidden from sight group, not from what I have seen. Hell, I drove my car once in a fox suite, got the attention of a lot of people (including a cop) as I drove by them. ^.^

But if you where pointing out that only furrys may speak openly only online, well, furries are just people, and many people, not just furries may behave in that manner. However, I have been around my share of people, and not just furries, to know many do speak their mind in person, and I sometimes end up chowing them out for it, if their being an ass.

As I posted before, elsewhere, I don't like bullies.

"	But I see comments and art as two very different things. Anyone can type up a message and curse someone out - that takes zero skill.

I agree, and it's not something I recommend anyone be doing under an art post. Even if they don't happen to like it. It's childish at best.

"	Art on the other hand, takes years to learn and continues to be refine through one's lifetime. So we have something which everyone can do versus something fewer people can do.

Again, I agree.

But overall I was focusing more on what any art may send as a massage, even if not intended. I do feel some art can be about as overboard and hurtful to some as any mere comment can be. That saying, "A picture is worth a thousands words."

It's hard to hide the intent of the art when it has a grown male fox forcing his dick into a tearful eyed very young bunny's honeypot, wile also driving a knife to her side wile saying to her, "Don't you scream you little bitch, or I cut you in ways that will hurt even more!"

I personally find it more unsettling to me than such art to see comments like, "Oh, cut her slow and deep anyway, after you fill her to bursting." than to see a comment under such art, "What the hell man! This shit turn you on or something?"

You ask:

"	Should someone's hostile comments be blocked?

In my opinion, I would say yes, by both the moderators of that site, and by the artist if the hostile comments is placed under his/her art. On one site I was on, I have deleted many. And it felt good doing so each time.

GFHCDK76

5 years, 4 months ago

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@ Whippy

"	I just don't see comments as a necessary thing compared to being able to make and post art.

Here I feel I disagree. Many artist can gain many a helpful hints about their own art, things they may not see themselves. So, at that, the comments can be just as good as an art post. Without them, an artist may not know why some feel their art could be better.

And it is how an artist can gain some incite into what they are doing right, that many may like, so the artist has an idea of what to possibly focus on to help keep their fans. If they wish to do so.

Just like people, comments are not all bad.

"	I want to see such characters being happy and experiencing pleasure, not the opposite.

As for me, seeing how I am into horror, I'd be on the fence with that. I have had a few nasty deaths within some of my stories, so I'm not so shy with the whole death and gore issue. But I understand what you mean. I too would rather see others happy than suffering, or being killed.

GFHCDK76

5 years, 4 months ago

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OK, this is kind of a newbie question, even though I am far from it, what does "ppl/artists" stand for? I get the idea from the comments given, but I don't understand the direct definition.

As for the topic itself, from what I can see other have commented, I have been giving it some extra thought today, even before I came across this post.

To me, as for one who grew up on watching horror movies, and reading horror stories, I find them entertaining and a bit exciting to come across. I love a good horror. But, don't get me wrong, I love a good love story even more, and some of my stories posted here reflect that some. I have added element of horror, and moments of endearing love to each of them posted on this site so far.

It can seem odd to those whom draw and write such, but I find rape and snuff art, especially cub rape and snuff art as horror in my eyes only, and the events themselves noting to praise as something good, other than being well made disturbing images for the mind to see as such, for those that are well made. And I have given praise to artists for the art itself, but never for the event as something good.

Speaking of praise and disturbing, I find it disturbing just how many comment under post of such snuff and rape art, holds much praise for the events being shown, as something good a person should be doing to another. I find this sociologically as a people, rather upsetting to view so many comments on such imagery as wonderful. It makes me wonder as to how so many furries in general, find the idea of hurting others as something good.

Such has been more on my mind of late, and I don't find the ramifications of so many thinking such violence on others is not only OK, but a thrill to be doing to others, as if the pain the other in the image or story is not a concern, only getting off on the response from the individual is. To me, this is a bully mentality, and it is sick. And I have always hated bullies.

I have in the past been OK with seeing such art made, and I have reveled in the making of such art myself, but only as something horrific, event wise, not as examples of good human behavior on display.

I love the furry community, and I have been a part of it for years. I have also always had an "to each their own." mind towards art I may feel is distasteful to me, such as scat art and the like. And I still do, seeing many think the cub art I like looking at is distasteful, lewd, and down right wrong to them, due to cubs being shown in a sexual manor or setting. So, I too would like others to think of what I happen to like as an "to each their own" sort of thing, if they don't like it themselves.

It is something hard to think about. Even harder to think about is asking the question, where has the love and descant human empathy gone from these people? What made them that cold and indifferent to the suffering of others? ... O.o

I don't mind people drawing what they want, for the reasons they do, but I do find some of those reasons, questionably disturbing just the same.

MasterStevo31

3 years, 1 month ago

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If it's a fetish theme, I don't consider it right
I Mean I draw gore and violence for my comics that has a story and it's action themes, nothing related to those snuff fetish, i don't judge but hey theres alot of people who are into that

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