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Shouk

>3> Now I'm wondering about some frogs or adoptables I made years ago.

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For Time in time I wonder: what happened to most of my adoptables/freebies character I designed uwu
If they are still being used, or forgoten in the abyss or just changed to other owner <w>;;

I still have soft spot for then and I like to see then drawned by others ( Like my own characters )
I know few of then still doing things to then and I'm very happy/proud about it ;3

But for thoses characters who was forgoten or never got a chance to get drawn outside from their adoptable picture once.
I wish I could request to adopt then back or permission to get rights to draw then whenever I like without asking/telling the idea to be approved and total creation freedom uwu ( But I don't have anything to offer back )

If I manage to get some of then back , I give a word that I'll never sell or give then to anyone except to the original adopter If they want it back.

I know I sounds greedy or hypocrite (uwu;; ) and I could end doing the same mistakes orz and apoligize for it

( Sorry for my broken english and rant[?] )
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Added: 6 years, 3 months ago
 
starlyte
6 years, 3 months ago
Andrea got good home and loving sis that humps her and helps her explore her sexuality. =^.^=
(no submissions...)
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
❤❤❤
starlyte
6 years, 3 months ago
I'm guessing that means you approve. ;p =^.^=
Azarian
6 years, 3 months ago
A few artists I know of who do adoptable offer small discounts off their commissions if they get the adoptable they won/bought off of them. It usually gives incentive for them to want them drawn more. Just a thought.
Beluinus
6 years, 3 months ago
In all honesty, I don't use her, but I have gotten her in two other pieces since your freebie.
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
❤❤
x3 NEED MORE MORE OF HER~!
Beluinus
6 years, 3 months ago
Haha. I'll try to look for more opportunities.
Beluinus
6 years, 3 months ago
So... I mean... If you absolutely want little Izzy back, you can have her. I'll probably only get one maybe two more pictures of her. I have her in case I ever see a spot she'll fit in.
kadeathnas
6 years, 3 months ago
im making the pic hehehe.. she is so cute
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
Well not absolutely , only if you dont want her <w>
Beluinus
6 years, 3 months ago
It's not that I don't want her, more that I just find myself not getting art for her.
kaokaoarts
6 years, 3 months ago
One of these days I gotta get one of your frog adopts. I'll definitely draw them. (Got too much time on my hands honestly. XD)
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
>:3c
AJDurai
6 years, 3 months ago
Violet, the froggy I got from you last year is still around. Now she has a froggy friend in Orchid. =3
(no submissions...)
by AJDurai
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
❤❤❤❤~Ribbit~<3
AJDurai
6 years, 3 months ago
^_^
And hopefully, I'll be getting a brother to Violet next month.
RenChu
6 years, 3 months ago
I've been using mine in story format however, I have planned pictures of her however!
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
:3c yay
NB
NB
6 years, 3 months ago
I still have my two
(no submissions...)
pool: Helena
by NB
and
Warming up before class by NB
No Boys Allowed: Inside the Loli Closet by NB
pool: Winny
by NB


They don't get as much attention as I would like to due to money restraints and partially their low popularity with my watchers. I know that's probably a silly thing to worry about but I feel like its wasted money/effort when an image doesn't get that many favs or comments.

But if you're looking for excuses to draw frogs you're more than welcome to draw them and my other two, that weren't adopts from you, all you like so long it's in the relative realm of what the character would do.
Shouk
6 years, 3 months ago
Will keep it in mind uwu ❤
MamaFio
6 years, 3 months ago
While little Emma and her big sister / guarding Chloe haven't had anything drawn or written of them as of yet, I do finally have a setting, family, and general idea what I plan on having go along with them~

So certainly not forgotten, just been rolling in my head for some time~
RokkerTH
6 years, 3 months ago
https://inkbunny.net/s/1449647
I still have those two frog girlies you designed for me and I still love them! So, don't worry! I'll still draw them for you. ^^
HighVoltage
6 years, 3 months ago
I dont remember if I ended up getting any characters from you, I KNOW I got one from delicious before his original name change to whatever he changed it to prior to going back, (rebecca) but I dont know that any of the other characters I got were from you, although I CAN say I have not enough money to get art of them to date (plan to but need more funds and a better job first) but yea....dunno *shrugs*
Keeran
6 years, 3 months ago
man, i've been too broke to get any art of any of my characters.
Chantelle
6 years, 3 months ago
I'm still trying to figure out what I wanna do with Ivy. D:

https://inkbunny.net/s/1299934
Xhyra
6 years, 3 months ago
She's precious, please do something with this cutie 💕
DancingChar
6 years, 3 months ago
This is the reason I'm not too crazy about the whole "adoptables" idea. If I ever put the time and effort into creating a completely unique character for someone, I'll want to at least share the rights to the character in case I want to draw it again; especially if it's just sold to a random user who may never do anything with it. Otherwise it's just wasted potential I think.

Personally, I think if you feel like drawing a previously adopted character, I would just do it. I don't think it's greedy or hypocritical.
If any owner of one of your characters actually has the audacity to complain about copyright, you can say it's fan art and considered fair use.
Xelaaredn
6 years, 3 months ago
Plus, odds are if you ask someone who adopted one of your characters if they were cool with it they'd jump at the chance. I would think at least.
WillNorston
6 years, 3 months ago
"If any owner of one of your characters actually has the audacity to complain about copyright, you can say it's fan art and considered fair use."

While I get what you're trying to say here, I do think that that last part was worded rather poorly. Sure, you can go ahead and draw the character you just sold the rights to. But I do think that the artist should keep the wishes of the new owner in mind when it comes to preference regarding sfw or nsfw material.

If I were to buy an adoptable from an artist, I would be pleased if said artist drew something of my new character. But at the same time, I would take issue with an artist drawing a sfw character in an adult situation. There's also the problem of "if your drawing of my character without asking me falls under fair use, then what did I just pay for?"

Remember, when you pay for an adoptable, you're paying for the right of ownership. While this technically doesn't mean jack shit, I wouldn't consider it ethical to still go ahead and draw that character whenever you please without consulting the new owner first. If you, as the artist, loved that design so much, then you shouldn't have sold it to begin with.
DancingChar
6 years, 3 months ago
True, but I'm assuming the artist already regrets selling the rights and wants to draw the character again anyway; possibly in a way the current "rights holder" wouldn't want. Should the artist restrict themselves because of some agreement made years ago?
I mean even if it's more "ethical" as you say, I think an artist's right to draw what they want should take precedence over an arbitrary agreement. Also, it doesn't need to be considered official. I'm sure most r34 on the internet isn't true to what the actual character was intended for.

Also, I'm mainly referring to characters who haven't been used much, if at all since being sold due to the owner not being active or otherwise. Some of these users might not even be contactable anymore to ask for permission. Should these characters just remain in some legal purgatory forever or can we just agree to break some agreements? I think the latter option is preferable.
DancingChar
6 years, 3 months ago
I do agree though, its best to accept a sold character as the buyer's character now and respect that.
I don't want to see artists censor themselves just for copywriter reasons though; even if it was technically their fault. That kind of thing irks me.
WillNorston
6 years, 3 months ago
If the owner of the sold character has indeed upped and vanished, or not used the character in question years since they have adopted said character, then yes. I do think that the artist in question is entitled to drawing that character if they consider the character close to their heart. On that, I can wholeheartedly agree.

As for r34 on the internet and how it contains characters not created with porn in mind. It is true that art, which falls under that category doesn't have to be deemed official. However, I'd assume that we're talking about a different context here, where the designer/artist of the piece has an account on the same website where the buyer of the adoptable also has an account.

This could result in a dispute between the artist and the buyer in question if the buyer deems the artist's drawing of the character they now own inappropriate. In such cases, the buyer could take further action by having an mod step in and take the piece down, provided they show proof that a transaction took place. This could result in a fair bit of trouble. But then again, this is a what if scenario. I do think that most buyers of an adoptable would be pleased to see the original designer draw something of that character for free, provided the character doesn't get drawn in an extreme situation.

Tl;dr

There is nothing factually wrong with your argument, and I agree with most of it. If any of the criteria that you just listed in your response to me get checked off the list, then I do agree with your assertion that the artist should take it upon themselves to draw the character without giving it much thought. But if the artist draws a sold adoptable without first consulting an active user, it could result in a mess.
Xelaaredn
6 years, 3 months ago
Well, I have a bad habit of not uploading things myself, but I do have a few stand-alone things of my frog girl (Lorelei, the poison dart frog). Aside from the awesome pics you've done yourself.

On top of that, and admittedly we haven't gotten to the part where she is a main focus,  there is a comic going on with her in it.

Sleepover
Rainydays
6 years, 3 months ago
Doreen gets as much art as any of my non-Pokemon OCs, which is to say not nearly enough~ https://inkbunny.net/s/1287985

Maybe 2018 is a chance to change that

Also I can very much relate to the adoptable thing - ever since I started doing adoptables on FA I've kept a personal list (and public congratulations) of who adopted what, cause I like seeing how those adoptables become characters. :3
eeveefan
6 years, 3 months ago
i wish i had a froggy :/
LPawz
6 years, 3 months ago
You just give me more FROGS >83c
Yes i drew mine a few times x3c, i have a few doodles, and one uploaded, planing a good story for they.
and i feel you Shouko!! that is why i just stop doing adoptables i always make my characters with love but no later there is not art of they :c
so i keep all my creations for my self. *selfish mode on*
Totterbart
6 years, 3 months ago
Awww, that made me sad Q_Q * huggles Pawsie deeply*
Justlurkingaround
6 years, 3 months ago
https://inkbunny.net/s/1270971
Here's the frog gal you gave me! Unfortunately, I don't have too much art of her but I did manage to give her a name: Vanessa. While I love her too much to give away, I give you full creative freedom and permission to draw her whenever you want. If I can, I'd just ask you notify me what you've drawn if that's alright. I always love seeing your art and I do need to get more art of her. ^^;
kadeathnas
6 years, 3 months ago
can i use her? :3
Justlurkingaround
6 years, 3 months ago
No thank you but I do appreciate the offer!
kadeathnas
6 years, 3 months ago
oky XP
darkrusty
6 years, 3 months ago
of course the frog girl you gave me is still in use and got some pics of her (some still not uploaded)
to see here https://inkbunny.net/poolview_process.php?pool_id=44373
Harleking
6 years, 3 months ago
I try to do my best to get some commissions, giftarts or own art done. But both, my fonds as well as my skill is not the highest thing on earth :D

Forest-Lesson-Characters by Harleking
+4
Forest-Lesson by Harleking
Romantic kiss of the new couple by Harleking
pool: Rena


Xhyra
6 years, 3 months ago
Tammy has a good home with
liontaro
liontaro
now
(no submissions...)
pool: Tammy Larne
Totterbart
6 years, 3 months ago
My Milena was just recently being used (ans having fun) in one big orgy hehe
https://inkbunny.net/s/1280609

Aaand i think some naughty otter is planninf on involving her in a pic too :P

BUT if you wanna draw her, you ofc can do so at any given time!! You have all rights on the world as you never disappoint and even are the biological father (lol)
kadeathnas
6 years, 3 months ago
i have anika https://inkbunny.net/submissionsviewall.php?rid=a153145... and i will make more of her XP
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