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Norithics

Birthday & Consent Play

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I know, today I was supposed to take my Mega Marx serum and turn into an AntiFa super-soldier, but Amazon couldn't give me 2-Day shipping on it. So instead, have some rambling!

Fair warning: the latter part's gonna be about non-con.

It's gonna be my birthday on the 11th. I'll be 31, and while 30 feels a lot different from 20, I'm no longer really sensing the difference between individual years quite so much. When you're 9, 10 feels like something. But at 30? Meh. I've been to the doctor more, which helps, and I'm doing the long game with exercise, just increasing very little bits over a long distance- you know, boring, sensible stuff. I can feel the difference for sure. It's never too late to start taking care of yourself. Have a little sympathy for your own plight on this planet!

Speaking of sympathy, I've recently gotten a few protests and/or troubled inquiries into my use of the tag 'rape' on my own submissions. Usually in the vein of "Hey, wait! It's not really rape, my character wouldn't do that!" To which I say:

Chill. The tagging system is there for everyone- so that fans can find what they like and other people can avoid what they don't. It's that latter part that I'm most invested in with this particular tag. Now yes, it's true that the particular brand of consent play I get into usually has wacky overtones, is intentionally cartoonish and most interestingly, has almost everyone telling me "I never thought of some of what you did as rape, Nori."

To which I say: Yeah! Duh! That's on purpose. I'm intentionally invoking the feeling of Sexploitation films and comics: a surreal technicolor landscape filled with men who act like teenage boys and long-suffering women who at once deride these men and yet never seem to run out of patience, their negative emotions maxing out at 'annoyed.' It's an entire genre that imagines "what if all my most immature impulses could be tolerated?" and tries very hard to push every envelope possible while keeping those feelings of "something bad is happening to the character" away.

But that genre also plays really close to the line when it comes to consent. And to be very candid about it, I think we've kind of... monster-fied this thing. For very many of us, the idea of noncon is like... brutal, crying, ugly shadowy stranger type stuff. In reality however? It's usually, unfortunately, one of the people you trust the most. It doesn't have to be loud, or violent, and in many cases, the perpetrator doesn't fully understand what they did.

So. Armed with that knowledge, is there a very decent chance that the kind of boundary-pushing work that I do could bring back those same feelings in someone for whom that happened? Yeah! Yeah, there really is, and as someone who has PTSD, not for this, but for gore/snuff, I know that it suuuuuucks. It fucks up your whole day. So I over-tag rather than under, because that in my view is the responsible thing to do. I know I'm not perfect (IB staff, branch-tagging when???), but I do my best.

So in closing, don't take the tags as a rote explanation of what's going on, but a list of probable interpretations of what's happening for blacklists and whitelists alike. And don't reflexively reject suggested tags just because it doesn't hit exactly the notes you were trying for- that may be someone trying to tell you what they themselves see it as for very important reasons.
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SkeletalK9
SkeletalK9
6 years, 5 months ago
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*furiously clicks the fav journal button that doesn't exist*
Exelbirth
Exelbirth
6 years, 5 months ago
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Should be a feature.  A lot of Nori's journals would be in my favorite journal collection.
Fens
Fens
6 years, 5 months ago
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Yes definitely x.x  Glad for having read it though.
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 5 months ago
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I never bought the whole antifa is gonna raise hell on the 4th crap...


I mean... it's the wrong day ENTIRELY

If "I" were a militant anarcho-communist, I would make sure all my shit whent down on the 5th of november not the 4th! It's just so much more poetic that way.

jokeing aside im sorry people are takeing issue to your non con work.. I mean at the end of the day.. it's line on paper, nothing more then fantasy...
Eviscerator
Eviscerator
6 years, 5 months ago
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Problem with that is, the 5th of November guy was about overturning a relatively secular government in favor of a theocracy.  Not the sort of branding you want as freedom fighters.
Norithics
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
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The question is, would the people who're most likely to be inspired by such an act, actually know anything about that? That's some real calculatin'.
Reiko
Reiko
6 years, 5 months ago
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As an antifa supersoldier I can assure you that we're mostly staying home and watching cartoons.
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 5 months ago
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and playing video games :)
" Reiko wrote:
As an antifa supersoldier I can assure you that we're mostly staying home and watching cartoons.
Exelbirth
Exelbirth
6 years, 5 months ago
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But don't you know that it's the Alt-Right that play video games?  Just ask MSNBC.  Clearly as loyal Antifa super soldiers, we must firebomb EA and Valve.
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 5 months ago
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" Exelbirth wrote:
But don't you know that it's the Alt-Right that play video games?  Just ask MSNBC.  Clearly as loyal Antifa super soldiers, we must firebomb EA and Valve.


well... fuck..... what have i been doing wrong with my life .........
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 5 months ago
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can you...maybe just skip valve =p I mean Even the Alt right is probably ok with you taking down EA ;3 Just send Valve a strongly worded letter at the same time, see if they correct course.
Exelbirth
Exelbirth
6 years, 5 months ago
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Maybe we can just slingshot our bodies at the side of their headquarters until they stop being evil.
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 5 months ago
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pretty much my thought on that =p
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 5 months ago
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correct... but remember this is ANTIFA were talking about.. the same morons who like to chant "SHAME!" as a quote from the fiath militent in game of thrones... you know... the bad guys XD there not umm... bright =p
SkyeEldrich
SkyeEldrich
6 years, 5 months ago
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My position on non-con with my characters is...  Nothing even approaching rape.  It's one of the reasons I like hypnosis and mind control, to skirt around that issue and make the unwilling into the willing.  Yes, I know there's arguments about that being rape too, but it's different enough that cognitive dissonance kicks in and I can accept it.
Milkie
Milkie
6 years, 5 months ago
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Given that I won't even respond to a murry-purry hug in a casual chatroom interaction more often than not, it's probably safe to say that I keep physical attention up to sexual action very close to me. If I won't even hug a stranger, you can bet your ass I probably wouldn't want to do a damn thing more with someone I haven't already decided I like. I also tend to keep my characters close and personal to me, so yeah, I probably wouldn't enjoy a real non-con scenario.

You've been annoying Milkette for years, but it's pretty established that she likes and tolerates you, knowing better than to assume that you'e little more than just a big ol' creeper. You just so happen to be cute and a big ol' creeper. :P

Oddly, "rape" isn't one of the things I had blacklisted. I think my blacklist is actually quite short. It just hadn't crossed my mind yet. I haven't seen an example of the tag that has gone and upset me.
XZeddX
XZeddX
6 years, 5 months ago
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I know the feeling and gods I wish we can fav journals
winkin
winkin
6 years, 5 months ago
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Happy Birthday in advance! :3
KennDragez13
KennDragez13
6 years, 5 months ago
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Yo, happy early birthday
Eviscerator
Eviscerator
6 years, 5 months ago
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Happy Birthday in advance.   Seven days and counting.
kaijubunny
kaijubunny
6 years, 5 months ago
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Happy Early Birthday. I rather like your explanation of why you use a specific tag, it makes sense to over tag rather than under. that kind of reminds me when i had to edit an entire drawing just so it wasn't "rape" over on FA. kind of like what you said it is suppose to be an overly cartoonish situation, however someone over there didn't like it and wanted me to change it and the story that went with it. Rather than argue with him I complied but the original is still up on IB, one of the first digital drawings that i experimented with shadows and highlights.
Blackraven2
Blackraven2
6 years, 5 months ago
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this needs the "full ack"  tag ;)  (which by merely suggesting its existence I opened the box of Pandora again ;) )

come to think of it, the entire notion of "tags" implies that there is some sort of objective, true statement that can be made about a work, and then describe it in some form.

I can counter that assumption by suggesting tags such as "awesome" "sucks" "full ack" "like", or any predominantly subjective statement, which some would full heartedly agree and others disagree even fiercer.

It's possible that someone comes up with a technical solution. Like, a tag system that allows up and downvoting on every tag, which would then flag the tag on that work as "applying" "not applying" (sort of an anti-tag) "no-one cares" (in which case the tag could probably be auto-removed) and "heavily disputed" (the latter would mean that a high number of visitors either up or down vote that tag)
But then again that would only work if enough people would bother actually voting, which even for works with lots of viewers would probably be too much to ask for

In the end, I think the approach that you take on this is likely the best and most sensible.  So,  "full ack" ;)
MaximilianUltimata
MaximilianUltimata
6 years, 5 months ago
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I end up not paying much attention to the tags, at least on here, but then I don't go tag diving on Inkbunny all that often. I prefer to go to E621 or Sankaku for that.

I blame it on our extremely finite and limited vocabulary, and people taking the frantic reveries of the characters in your art too seriously, but then most rapes in erotica don't exactly capture the mental stress and anguish of the real thing, and people who expect that are missing the point of erotica in general or are fucking sociopaths.

The other side of the coin - the people who fetishize being on the receiving end in a rape fantasy, an oxymoron - are more into the domination aspect, or being overwhelmed by their partner, be it some sex-crazed tween or a pile of craven and gooey tendrils. And because we have an inherently clumsy language jury rigged to name and describe these fetishes that have popped up in the past 20 or so years, we have to describe acts of non-rape and non-consent.

At least, that's my perspective.
oldaccount
oldaccount
6 years, 5 months ago
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Happy Early Birthday! :D
johnbrittish
johnbrittish
6 years, 5 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 5 months ago by Owner
"ambiguous_consent" might fit that "not-quite-rape-but-sorta-rape-y"-tag

god knows I wouldn't want anything I commission as "rape", and i'd be upset if it were- so, i can see where they're coming from.

Edit: forgot to say, happy bday~
Norithics
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
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I already came up with 'semicon' for that particular consideration, and I do throw it in, but again, it's not about what we think of it as, but what someone else might for whom the particulars of the distinction between 'semi' and 'non' don't matter.
johnbrittish
johnbrittish
6 years, 5 months ago
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True. Us commissioners are a fickle bunch, so I appreciate you understanding.

P.S. love the way you draw butts~
Norithics
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
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Oh really? Hey, thanks! If you have any characters you think would fit the assthetic, throw them my way.
johnbrittish
johnbrittish
6 years, 5 months ago
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yeee
KevinSnowpaw
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 5 months ago
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i really honestly like the concept of semi-con or as I allways used to call it Psuedo-rape

It's really kinda hot to not want it... and then really really end up wanting it... at least in art and fiction anyway.
FelouseFarnayne
FelouseFarnayne
6 years, 5 months ago
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Happy Early Birthday Nori if I forget! As for the whole Con Play thing. In art I see it as equal to a Couple who Roleplay that sort of thing just for fun or because they enjoy that sense of being in power or have that power suddenly taken by their partner without warning. However there is a huge gap of a difference between real life where two adults do it, knowing full well that they have the approval to do such things and the opposite which can be a horrifying experience no matter who it happens to and what the relation of the person is whether they are a stranger or at the time, a person that was thought to be trust worthy.

Yet everyone by all accounts and purposes are adults with fantasies they want to share or avoid and by that everyone should be responsible on the artists side making sure their art is clearly labelled to cover themselves and the viewer respects the artist drawing/writing such scenarios and avoid it if its not their thing. Just one of those things in life people get or don't want to get but yet thats why we have these tags.
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 5 months ago
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Edited 6 years, 5 months ago by Owner
Love your stuff and happy advance birthday dude. Sorry for said drama :)
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 5 months ago
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also... what image was it that caused the drama ? I kinda want to masturbate to it.


just saying....
Norithics
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
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There was no drama.
Icestorm
Icestorm
6 years, 5 months ago
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oh  may bad .

ready comp check: fail on my part lol
Delicious
Delicious
6 years, 5 months ago
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Happy early birthday--I'll be celebrating mine with dental work on the 22nd, so I share this excitement.

It is good to hear this side of things--I've been one to reject consent-related tags based on the intent behind the images involved, but I do like to take everyone's well-being into account as well.  As many of us are artists who tend to push into a lot of sensitive topics without much thought when drawing, it's important to acknowledge the weight of our subject matter when putting it where people can see it.
Norithics
Norithics
6 years, 5 months ago
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Intent means a lot in art! I completely understand the instinct to curate the experience as much as possible.
subjectm8
subjectm8
6 years, 5 months ago
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please stay safe
specially your right hand(or left hand) and eyes, those are the tools that bring good pieces of pictures into the internet
pyrostinger
pyrostinger
6 years, 5 months ago
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I don't talk much, but I do want to say that I appreciate the forethought that goes into your tagging.
Hayman
Hayman
6 years, 5 months ago
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Very wise! :)
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