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KevinSnowpaw

I am Seriously worried about the path our world is taking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnqO5RUZvxE

this is FAR from the ONLY video discussing this topic...


but youtube has become AGGRESSIVELY far left. And extremely politically motivated.


I wouldent mind this but youtube is suposed to be a platform and not that it has a biesed it's becomeing as bad as twitter and god forbid i even mention it, tumblr.

If they want to drop extremely offensive videos designed to be offensive for the sake of offense or hateful with no real perpose...then i supose i can understand why they would cencore something...or remove it entirely. I HIGHLY disagree with it. I think all ideas, even bad ones, should have a platform, how else do we find out there bad? But youtube has started concerning videos and demonetizing content that mentions patreon as an alternative to thre website or that even simply discusses polatics or topics from a "not left" point of view....


this is...wow..just wow.. it's like a gaggle of super politicaly motivated fuck heads have gotten into a position of power in the company and are now pushing there stupid agenda.


there is a time and a place for your agenda fucking with other peoples ability to see, aborbe and exchange ideas in a free market is not one of them.

Google, has allso recently been shifted in a extream left direction and why i say left i mean PROGRESSIVE(regressive) LEFT they have even been cought screwing search results in a political way.. thats just...so damn wrong!!!


give me ALL the results, and give me the data ACCURATELY not what you want me to see!!!


at this rate i'll be using minds.com for anything i would normally go to youtube for and I wont be using goggle products and services at all...


that last one is a major issue because TRY avoiding google...just TRY it. they have a dueopaly on all things cell phone and control the largest most used search engion on earth.


they also OWN meny lessor search engions and some iesearch engions are basically just google, because there search results are powered by google...


I just.. I dont even....

Please tell me im not the ONLY one whos upset with all this DIRECT silencing of ANY decent of opinion...this shit is getting Orwellian.


EDIT!!!


It has been brought to my attention that they way I worded this comes off as super anti left. thats not really what I ment to do I only ment to point out that the issue comes from elements currently on the left side of the poltical spectrum.


liberal minded folks are 100% welcome here and indeed, we all need to work together to resist people silencing ideas. Even progressively minded people are welcome, as not all people think alike, no matter what.
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Added: 6 years, 7 months ago
 
bryangullickson
6 years, 7 months ago
im 100% with you there
Saryu
6 years, 7 months ago
I haven't used google in a long time, mostly because they keep records of your search history. When I first saw commercials for something I googled appear as ads on facebook, I thought I had spybots and freaked out.
RollerCoasterViper59
6 years, 7 months ago
Shut Down for having a Patreon. Apart of me is for but morally this is a terrible idea
KNIFE
6 years, 7 months ago
Don't you get it Kevin?
We're too stupid to be left alone to make our own choices!
We NEED our """""""""""""""""""""""""""benevolent""""""""""""""""""""""""""" lords and masters to TELL us what we want,say,THINK!
It's really for our own goods ya know. Children should not be allowed to play with things they don't understand or NEED to understand.

They'll make it ALLLLL better for us!!



maybe
moyomongoose
6 years, 7 months ago
That philosophy parallels so close to what the Euripean occupying forces controlling the African countries in the 1800s and early 1900s said about black race.

I do not believe in or support the quoted statement below in any way. I am only making known that this is what British, French and Portuguese imperial leaders officially proclaimed a century ago...
..."The negro is not capable of conducting their own affairs, therefore European occupation must continue to remain over the African territorial possessions in order to ensure to the African people a safe and orderly society".

The way the U. S. government thinks about the American public now days runs along the same line of thinking...It's that old philosophy of "protecting people from themselves".
It is nothing less than a modern day version of the 17th and 18th century imperial colonialism.
AxleFurret
6 years, 7 months ago
I meet so many people that think that "If it is on Wikipedia or Google, then it must be the truth!". Most people cannot even think for themselves any more, let alone do actual research.

It is scary how the communists, communist sympathizers, cultural Marxists, socialists, the censorship and anti-free speech brigade are coming out of the American educational system enmasse.

It is one of the main reasons I left the left, when I started seeing people having pride in communism and its symbols at democratic school events.

I never thought after the 90s that communism would be a threat in America, yet here we are in 2017 and the commies are coming out of the woodwork decades after the fall of communism.

I know the body count that socialism/communism have, nothing good comes from communist/socialist regimes.

"1984" and "Fahrenheit 451" were supposed to be WARNINGS of communist/socialist agendas, not a damn play book.

It is scary how the left is honestly trying to usher in the dystopian world that sci-fi authors have warned us about for decades.

When a company or government censors something, it is because THEY are scared that it is right/truthful.

It is sad that we are heading into a new "red scare" but this time the non-communists are the ones being hunted.
moyomongoose
6 years, 7 months ago
How much does anyone want to bet that apartheid will not become an end result within the next generation or two because of the stuff they are doing today?
MistahToonCatUwU
6 years, 7 months ago
Its really shitty, and just when jontron came back and h3h3 won the lawsuit for fair us 8/
MaximilianUltimata
6 years, 7 months ago
Actually Youtube has become increasingly corporate. Even leftist channels have been getting hit by the adpocalypse, as it's being called, and it largely has to do with Youtube trying way too hard to not host anything that advertisers might find offensive and defund any that do and hope that the "problem channels" starve themselves through attrition. It's been something building up for years, now.
Stratus
6 years, 7 months ago
Thats still a terrible problem. Its 'fair' but what good is a social platform if it can only be used for lets plays and unboxings?
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
Well yeah sure nobody is refuteing that what i ment was I am consisting seeing anything thats not super supportive of progresive values, that is to say anything expressing a political opinion thats COUNTER to the current progressive nerrative. like how are are 40+ genders ect/whatever, alot of that stuff is getting flaged as offensive and demonitized but shows like queer kids stuff...wich peddles transgendernormative thinking to children... (i im fine with whatever adults want to do but dont hash that shit out to kids wait untill there old enough to actualy decide first) are not only fully monitized but celbrated dispite complaints for being progressive and brave.

MaximilianUltimata
6 years, 7 months ago
One of Youtube's greatest blunders is the fact that they only perform the absolute baseline of moderating, which is to say any videos of torture, snuff or porn of ANY kind, child or otherwise, is removed, but outside of that, they moderate according to mob rule. If you report a video for copyright violation, Youtube will remove the video for a few weeks, even if it's just footage of a flushing toilet or something. If they get the most basest sense that they could be sued personally for any reason, they'd even kill their firstborns to avoid it.

Right now, and especially in the wake of Charlottesville, Youtube thinks the voice of the extreme left is the path of least resistance, especially as more and more of the far right becomes the establishment right, along with all the xenophobia and racism baggage they carry. The Youtube administration doesn't have a political agenda so much as they have a corporate agenda; they want to make money and not get sued for the content they host. So whoever is paying Youtube the most will get the first voice and all of the awfulness that implies (demonetizing new media, for example), then it's left mostly to mob rule from there.

This is just my perspective, but it doesn't seem as bad as you're making it out to be.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
it's not as bad as im makeing it out to be not at all not YET there implamenting even MORE cenerchip in the comeing months however and it has me worried.


theres a lot of stuff on youtube i really dislike but it has every right to be there. thats what the platform is FOR.

enevitably, this is only an issue for me becouse Youtube is inside my comfort zone.


if YT screws the pooch and starts driveing away there user base...they will just move to other platforms and make them more impactfull..thats how the free market works.


were allready seeing an exadus from tumblr, not a major one but it grows every day and theres alternatives to youtube like vid.me and minds.com there not as nice, but there also not as big or as secsessful with a larger user base they soon will be..



in the end the issue resolves itself...but i love you tube and I want to see it stay open and impartial.
MystBunny
6 years, 7 months ago
This isn't so much a right or left issue as it is an authoritarian issue. Censorship of information isn't exclusive to one side of the political spectrum or the other. I'd hardly describe it as progressive either way.
Delquea
6 years, 7 months ago
I wish I can fav comments cos that what I try to tell people the most but they just don't wan't to accept that these things happen on both sides of the spectrum and not just one side.

People instead shrug it off as "But this side does it more" when that don't excuse the fact its not an exclusive thing. I always have to bring up Horseshoe Theory and hope someone actually research what I'm saying.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
i comnpletly agree with this. I dont want to shut anybody down. Weather or not I agree with them.
DeactivatedKobold
6 years, 7 months ago
that's horrible.  I'm glad i only watch music and weather stuff on there :/
CuriousFerret
6 years, 7 months ago
I've noticed the algorithm of what Youtube recommends to me for views based off my latest watches to be rather sloppy and mindless.

I recently watched a couple videos from friends links that had a central or conservative bent.  And immediately I started to get recommendations to other right leaning content.

Normally I'm extremely focused in my viewing, game reviews, music videos, and mindless drivel of cute animal vids, so I don't get political on Youttube all that much.

They got to guess what ideology I'm for I guess.

It seems more about giving me what I want versus altering my view.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
I think you mis understand I see plunty of content on both sides since i tend to consume a LOT of youtube videos on political topics lately. I just mean that youtube is stepping up cencership and demonitization and while some videos probobly DO deserve to be demonitized, alot of stuff thats very reasonable just contrarian to what is accepted as progressive today, is being demonitized while the REALY hard left stuff I somtimes watch is not. and THAT worries me.
CuriousFerret
6 years, 7 months ago
Getting a good read on the trending habits on a fluid community like youtube is difficult at best.  How the monetary system works is based off what the sites advertisers what to be associated with if I'm not mistaken.

They want to get across to as many viewers as possible, and unless it's a really offensive manner they don't really care what video they are sponsored on.

Its click bait exploitation.

dropNchop
6 years, 7 months ago
"this is FAR from the ONLY video discussing this topic...


but YouTube has become AGGRESSIVELY far left. And extremely politically motivated."

Really? I haven't seen anyone that I watch affected. Wait, scratch that, I've had people that talk about atheism mention being demonetized. That said, there is all kinds of right wing material on YouTube and it still pops up with the right search tags. What the video that posted was talking about is a clearly racist video being contained on a private page. It can still be watched, just not rated, commented on or subscribed.

As for not being able to mention things like patron that is taken out of context. It's not that they band the video for mention of it, but for mentioning it as an alternative to YouTube as a source of income. Businesses aren't required to let you advertise their competition.

Now, for my take on all of this. I'm not for taking content like this and sectioning it off. I think that's wrong in many ways and agree with the video to an extent. Now, I have yet to see any of the videos that he uses as an example of what YouTube is letting slide, so I don't have any right to come to a conclusion on if their good or bad. I think the reason that they might still be up and this particular video mentioned walled off is due to the nature of it's subject and single issue nature. Mind you, that doesn't make it right. It's just that an overtly racist video is easier to justify walling off, then what might be an educational video on sex, or a video talking about a religious concept.

I don't see the government stepping in to make search engines a utility, and given the resent actions at the EPA I'm glad for that. Even if ISPs where to be made a utility it wouldn't solve the issue. There are other platforms, but those too answer to a larger audience and if everyone is OK with something being censored then it happens. That's the way things work and there isn't much I or others can do about it.

Businesses want to make money and the best way to do that is to agree with the majority.
Right or wrong people will be censored. Sexuality, politics, religion or lack there of and art are always going to be targets for both sides of the aisle.

I'm also a bit skeptical of his claim that Holocaust denial is more popular in places where it's illegal. I might be able to find somewhere that it isn't illegal to deny and it's quite popular to do so. You know that region all around Israel that's not quite Asia or European, it's not in the middle of earth and not quite east, the name escapes me/s        

 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_H...
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
" dropNchop wrote:
Really? I haven't seen anyone that I watch affected. Wait, scratch that, I've had people that talk about atheism mention being demonetized. That said, there is all kinds of right wing material on YouTube and it still pops up with the right search tags. What the video that posted was talking about is a clearly racist video being contained on a private page. It can still be watched, just not rated, commented on or subscribed.


yeah my issue is that there shutting down the ability to comment, there shutting down the monitization of a channel that is regardless of it's veiws breinigng them more user traffic, but theres a catagory of cencership there introduceing that will NOT make it show up in your feed you have to know exactly what your looking for to find the video. There doing everything they can to make it disapear. Might as well just remove it at that point.

It is my HOPE that this is all just paranoa but im seeing it happen to heavy right wing leening videos but not to left wing leening ones reguardless of how offensive the content is.

If something is offensive and has no other perpose or point then sure it should probobly be demonitized. Im just worried about the direction this trend APPEARS to be going in thats all.
nakiekitsunepuppy
6 years, 7 months ago
The biggest problem of all is the idea of clinging to a political party's beliefs and not thinking for yourself whether their goals and especially actions are correct, whether it be Republicans or Democrats, or other third parties.  People need to realize that the Republican or Democrat parties are both super corrupt and need to be disbanded.  The only thing those two care about is getting their people elected by any means necessary, and neither give a rat's ass about the Constitution.

George Washington warned against political parties in his farewell address (text in full here: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp ), and he was right.  All this does is lead to pointless bickering about the party lines and not about any form of civil discussion about the issues.

Google is a shitty company, and the Android system is shit; unix in name only, but locked down so tight that you don't have freedom (although the other "smart" phones/tablets are practically the same too), and why the flying fuck to we have to log in to google's play store just to download something free?  Do we need Google's permission to download things?  I refuse to use it at all, and I only use my phone to act as an internet hotspot for my laptops.  I also use adblocking software, but that is mostly because advertisements are fucking stupid nowadays.  I also use cookie destroying software as well as Privacy Badger to protect my privacy.  When cookies first came out in the late 90s, I complained about the storing of information there.  Well, I was absolutely right about that.

But yes Google (and companies in general) should not be involved politically.  All it does is make them look bad.  But youtube's censoring is absolutely going too far, and so is their lackadaisical care about fake DMCA notices is crap as well.

I also do not use Facebook because their massive tracking is very disturbing.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
we agree on this point pretty heavaly, partisan politics are kinda a mess and privite companies shouldent IMO get to political.
Mole
6 years, 7 months ago
... i think this is an example of entitlement complex.. Where people are confusing privileges for rights.  No one has a right to youtube.. and you kind of agree to a term of services stating you understand that.

Don't like google.. there's bing.. don't like youtube and where it's going.. there are other services.  

But this isn't so much of a google issue.. it's how advertisement work.. google found a way to do something new with youtube, but advertisers are picky on what they purchase.

Don't like where things are going.. join an advocacy group and fight to have internet access as a right instead of a privilege.  Right now it's a privilege.. though I want it to be a right.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
i get that... accept that youtube is a free service that monitizes "US" to make it's money it sells adds to US and provides a platform for us to be creative, or make a statement or whatever else we would like to do. So it's less entitilment and more....a worry that youtube managment has gotten overly polticaly involved when they should be leaveing well enough alone, or they will have less people to target adds to. less user trafic means less revenue for them.
Mole
6 years, 7 months ago
I don't think you fully get it.... you left out the third party involved.. the advertisers.  It's not simply google making a decision to be a dick.. advertisers are picky on what they purchase.  Due to what happened a few months ago... advertisers will abandon youtube if they can't control what they pay for.

You're taking this in the view that your sub culture is being under attack because google join the enemy... while not knowing there is a bigger culture and things in the subculture is bad for business. And people on the 'left' are affected by this..  As a corporation Google services Peta and Neo Nazis, so they don't care about individuals.. what they care about is getting money.. and they get money from customers who have political ideas or a standard on what is and isn't acceptable.

But this is the price of having a form of communicate controlled and completely owned by a company..  There is a left leaning solution for this... that maybe we treat this like radio where it belongs to the people and companies have rules they have to follow to ensure  people maintain their freedom of speech...  but i see a pattern of all the non left people just bitching and threatening to boycott.. with that action helping google more.. since the advertisers who matter don't want them around anyway
GreenReaper
6 years, 7 months ago
YouTube hosts all kinds of stuff. With the way it works, if you watch a few videos, you'll probably be presented with similar videos in the future. Doesn't mean it's all like that. Nor does a curated seleciton of videos prove anything about YouTube in general. You could probably show that Inkbunny was overrun with FNAF porn if you wanted, but it wouldn't be true. :-D
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
Oh im not worried about the content IM seeing I get how that works.. Im worried that I keep hereing about videos expression serten opinions being demonitized or sorta shadow baned , this is not the only video discussing it. LOTS of polticaly focused channels that dont agree with progressive values are complaining about things being demonitized and while some of that stuff may contain racist retoric (and shame on them) most do not...while I see BLM videos telling me im racist for being white =p and there still monitized.. im just worried what that trend means.
Telain
6 years, 7 months ago
Google searches are skewed to match what they thing you'll find relevant. It's based on your own search and browsing history. This in itself is bad, as it keeps people in their little boxes.

Though I'd much rather see a left bend than the disgusting "I've got mine, screw everyone else" attitude I so often see from the right.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
im not woried about right or left, im worried about the fact that youtube has been demonitizeing or takeing down videos that are primaraly right in political opinion or more often simply decenting to a far left political video with critiq.
BunnyFoxglove
6 years, 7 months ago
YT has been censoring stuff like this for a long time. Fun Fact... it's not YT actually doing it. It's viewers that are doing it. It's an automated system, triggered by complaints. This guy makes it sound like a YT / Google employee went in and did it personally. It was from a mass influx of reports. There are literally millions of videos posted every day on YT. If you think they can go through every complaint personally, that's just wrong. They use automated systems.

The guy talking in this video is a retard with a tin foil hat.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
that mgiht be totally true. I just linked him since he is the most recent youtube to bitch about this situation XD I just diddent want to look through my history to find an older video your right about his tin foil hat =p

and youtubers themselves wineing makes more sence then YT itself doing the deed, for the sake of my peace of mind i really hope thats true.
Keeran
6 years, 7 months ago
Well, it might be worse than that. It's at the point it's not even viewers that are flagging/de-monetizing  videos, rather, an automated system that  has advanced logic/reasoning capabilities. They analyse each video presented and depending on key phrases,  buzzwords, etc,  that's how they demonetize the system. It's a step up higher from their copyright claim bot (which has been known  to do copyright takedowns of videos that were actually created by the company that owned the copyright (RIP Ubisoft circa 2015)
BunnyFoxglove
6 years, 7 months ago
First off, there are rules on what you can post on YT. Those rules have been getting more strict, so that some things you used to be able to post are considered offensive or abusive towards other people and get flagged. However I highly doubt it's automated based on speech patterns. Keywords maybe, but not just voice audio. I'm not saying the technology isn't available, but it would be so hit and miss based on accents and background noise / music.

Yes there's a copyright system that flags stuff automatically, but a LOT of the copyright stuff that went around YT wasn't the automated system. There's groups out there that file false claims on behalf of others, and tries to make money that way. Unfortunately with the way the system is designed, it doesn't matter. The person who posted the video gets the short end of the stick. I won't get into all the technical BS surrounding it, but you can look up the videos that talk about it search for #WTFU

Needless to say, when people post videos that are clearly hate spreading propaganda, you can bet that viewers are reporting it.
RaccoonRanch
6 years, 7 months ago
i live in a country destroyed by left wing extremism. and yes, it will never work, left wing radicals are even more dangerous than the rest, because they are sure the people supports them blindly.
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
" j78 wrote:
left wing radicals are even more dangerous than the rest, because they are sure the people supports them blindly.

That's any radical group EVER! Saying either of them is more dangerous than the other is disingenuous!
RaccoonRanch
6 years, 7 months ago
i talk from my experience. venezuela was destroyed by left wing extremists and radicals.
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
I was just stating that it would be a mistake to say only one side of the isle is more dangerous. Also I heard, though I don't know all the details with that situation I can only hope the government that installed that garbage gets tossed out along with ALL of the commies.
MarcusKoopa
6 years, 7 months ago
Ehhh... I kind of see the Google Empire collapsing. If they can't lock down all information flow fast enough.They took on too many "diversity" hires... AKA unqualified nutjobs they need to flaunt to the public.. and now the inmates are running the asylum. There's nothing wrong with REAL diversity, mind you. The most IMPORTANT kind you can have is ideological diversity because if everyone looks different but THINKS the same, you accomplish absolutely nothing.
Teko
6 years, 7 months ago
YouTube is just a platform. If the videos you're seeing seem too "Left" for you, it may be because the vast majority of the world is what you might think of as "Left", rather than racist, ultra-conservative, and backwards-thinking.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
Oh no im not worried about the videos im seeing I realize it's a platform and i tend to watch alot of polticaly charged content lately, on both sides.. I actualy prefer my feed to have a smattering of both I think getting all my infrom from one source is dangerous.

Im conserened with how youtube has been demonitizeing (again from what i can tell) primaraly channels that argue against decent or critiqe far left primaraly progressive veiw points. thats all



and it's just what I have NOTUCED i sertenly hope it's wtong I only posted the video as an example.
TwoTails
6 years, 7 months ago
No, you're upset over the wrong reasons.
"a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.."
You are close but your conclusions are bogus, you're falling for the "I didn't do it, they did!" rampant rhetoric.
Google/facebook, etc are companies too big to be trusted, but their censorship (for now) is correctly aimed at removing foreign propaganda sites(alternate news) and malware since this became a huge problem.
Of course these corporations only bother to do so when they were attacked by actual communist meddling..
But the point of blocking actual government oversight, art & science resources (like China & N.Korea does, US gov lately) is not okay.

Its because stupid ideas have been elevated to and beyond the importance of facts.
The bulk of the human race is stupid and gullible. And being made so on purpose.
Free speech has a limit to the point where it incites harm against the public. PERIOD.
The asshole silver tongued snakes shouldn't be allowed to spread their bullshit lies to the people too stupid to see through it.
Public manipulation is a danger.
No, those ARE hate crimes, treason and fraud.

Half the fucking people voting think the earth is flat or space aliens are running things, or demons infect people, or praying fixes everything.
That is not a joke, some of these extra stupid people I've met.

But now it's individual SJWs (in this case is actually both sides) are now also in charge of silencing proven facts they don't agree with. Things such as earths pre-history & proven historical events, and biology are under attack by anti-intellectuals and corporations..

And fucking stop blaming it all on the left.
The left acting up was only recently the result of the shit the right has been getting away with.
Their shit is nothing compared to what the right has done (yet), McCarthyism, Nixon WW/HMO scandal, Iraq & corporate licensed mass murder(Blackwater), unibomber, OK city, big banks collusion, multiple state gov book-cooking, and now mass collusion treason for profit.
A bunch of whiny pussies trying to make laws against hurting wussies feelings & a handful of retaliations from a mostly anti-gun side isn't comparable. Not to say they can't be the next gunnut loon fringe if allowed to, corruption infects like a virus.

For those paying attention, the lesson is to not trust any side. Ever.
These loudmouth right and upcoming left wing extremists need to be disregarded or silenced, not taken seriously.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
well my fears COULD be entire unfounded but I AM noticeing a trend of youtube leening heavaly politicaly in one direction. It doesnt matterf to me WICH direction... i think it should TRY to remain impartial so it can be used as a platform for free thought.
TwoTails
6 years, 7 months ago
That would be the "you're either with us or against us" fallacy.

Removing racist hate speech doesn't mean they're leftists, removing feminist rants doesn't mean they're right-wing misogynists.
They're doing both, they can't be one.
Removing random stuff based on copyrights whether dubious or not, implies more like a self interested company with loose liability issues.
It's a bloated company, a big collection of people with too many resources that mostly don't know what the fuck they're doing.

I'm also suggesting you don't be a pawn of political sides.
You know what happens to all sides in a war. Used, disposed, wrecked, P.O.Ws.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
I try to avoid extreams.. and im not claiming this stuff is happening as a FACT im only saying im concerned with how...incredably devisive poltics have become suddenly and it's spilling over into my youtube and i dont like it =p
DavidArdilla
6 years, 7 months ago
Wow- what a paranoid moron you are.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
ouch man :( I thought we were friends... there are ways to explain to me, or express how you feel that my ferars are unfounded and that I have nothing to worry about...without calling me a Paranoid moron DX

thats...just  jumping right to the charicter attacks. Im not attacking anybody here I am expressing a lagitamit concern, based on a trend I and others have been noticeing.


I would like nothing MORE then to be wrong.
DavidArdilla
6 years, 7 months ago
We aren't friends and I know Pate sure as hell won't want a damn thing to do with you either now that you've shown you're true colors. Now fuck off.
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
...I feel like I walked in the middle of a domestic dispute. o_o;
Stratus
6 years, 7 months ago
"Show your true colors"
...oh the fucking irony...
DavidArdilla
6 years, 7 months ago
You wouldn't even know how to define "irony", fuckhead.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
dude are you drunk? We have NEVER fought about ANYTHING before... I state an opinion you dislike or something and suddenly i've shown my true colors?

Unless you have a photo me sucking hitlers dick I think your haveing one hell of a knee jerk reaction.

It IS possible for grown ups to have different opinions some things and still not need to kill one another. >.> I dont even know what I said or did to offend you, your kinda being a massive douche, and dont speak for pate or anybody else, thats also massively douchey
DavidArdilla
6 years, 7 months ago
Fuck you. And I can speak for Pate so fuck you on that as well. Again fuck off, you scum.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
dude.. I have not said a damn thing against you, and you wont even explain yourself? your acting like a child. Your going to sour a friendship becouse of something you are mad about but wont even explain it?

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding, or maybe I can better explain myself, so that your not so angry?


becouse right now, and im sorry to say this, but your acting like a total fuck head. Calling me names telling me im the scum of the earth? did I shoot your dog or something?

and no you cant speak for anybody but yourself, drop the self rightous shit and actualy talk to me, in a PM if your worried about it, or shut the fuck up and come back when your sober.
Delquea
6 years, 7 months ago
If I can be honest and say no he's just stupid and whiny. He literally blocked me (and people who simply agreed with me) because I question why people give a fuck about Valentines Day and disagreed with him when he jumped to a false conclusion (and even made a subtle call out against me). That was a very hilarious day XD In fact I'm pretty sure he gonna rage about my comment now.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
he has allways been kind to me...so honestly.. this kinda hurts me.
Delquea
6 years, 7 months ago
Might be because you weren't saying stuff he don't like.
MistahToonCatUwU
6 years, 7 months ago
What the actual fuck happened
Stratus
6 years, 7 months ago
Apparently this guy discovered the word fuck and can't go two seconds without using it.
MistahToonCatUwU
6 years, 7 months ago
Ugh i feel bad for kevin, that guy is a psychopath x.x
Delquea
6 years, 7 months ago
I have to second this.
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
It's not just political channels and this has been going on for quite sometime. Even gaming channels like Lazy Game Review are being nailed and he doesn't ever bring up politics and even some controversial left wing channels are getting hit.

I'm sure part of it is political, but this is also nailing people who are in the center, drama channels and other things that might not be deemed "advertiser friendly." They're really trying to push YouTube TV and desperately trying to clean house after the Adpocalypse.

If you haven't been paying attention look up "YouTube Adpocalypse" on YouTube or any search engine and get informed.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
I HAVE noticed gameing channels are takeing a hit to DX
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
So it's not only the right getting hit, but it may appear that way. They're stripping the You from YouTube and want to be more like TV...which is against the appeal because I came to YouTube BECAUSE it wasn't safe, uninspired and sanitized like TV.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
that kinda makes me feel better one one hand.. on the other I'm still upset youtube is doing it at all
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
OHHOHOHOHOHO! I got the video for you to help get you a bit up to speed. It's long, but try to stick it out:
https://youtu.be/YflsCectl6I?list=PLW_CbmVYHdMK2e-c-f4y...
Keeran
6 years, 7 months ago
That's becasue it's being done by an automated bot. This robot is programmed to think on its own, communicate, and demonetized based on what it is programmed to do. So yes, everyone that shows a shred of controversy's being hit. What's worse is if you're a more political channel or a news-based channel.
AnOrangeCat
6 years, 7 months ago
I'll bite, but mostly bc I'm just really seeing concerning stuff posted by you lately like this. Though I'd like to continue the conversation privately since I don't normally write on here!

"I think all ideas, even bad ones, should have a platform, how else do we find out there bad?"

We already found out. We had wars about these things already. The world said never again, so why allow any form of "again"?
 
I'd love to know which ideas are you worried about not having a platform that we did not already find out are bad? Why is it an issue of left/right? What specific stances are causing these platform denials you're concerned about and why you think they shouldn't? What specifically is being said that you think we still need to hear?

What if it's an issue of "ideas we have already progressed beyond no longer needing a platform because we found out already that they are harmful ideas."

For example, the idea we still want to progress beyond, that a type of people are less deserving of equal and fair treatment. Do you want to let that idea reach more people and gain more traction again? Would you, the owner of a popular website platform, upon discovery that your platform is being used to spread that harmful idea, want to allow that idea to continue catching again due to your inaction? Is being passive being moral and ethical? That's the difficult choice that website has the right to make.
CottonCandyPanda
6 years, 7 months ago
The reason he said that is because anything can be offensive to anyone. Feminists and SJW's have proven this. A bunch of good ideas started as offensive to someone, such as giving women any rights and wanting to end slavery and a bunch of horrible ideas were once considered good ideas because they weren't challenged or forced to compete like treating women as property and owning slaves.

Offense is taken, not given and is highly subjective and as such is a horrible criteria for determining something. Today you got something like Nazism forcibly censored and tomorrow your political opponents will use that precedent to silence you. This is why we cannot have govenment, or any regulatory body police what can and cannot be expressed and must instead force these ideas into the light of day where they must compete with others.

Driving them underground and making them taboo to speak of will only make them more alluring to people and give them credibility.

Censorship is the tool of tyrants and if you truly are a believer of free speech then you must stand up not only for the ideas you believe in but for your opponent to express what they believe in too, no matter how abhorrent you find it.
AnOrangeCat
6 years, 7 months ago
I'm waiting to know what idea of considered offensive that is being censored that we're worried about. Also there are no violations of free speech. YouTube terms of service aren't the same as a government crackdown.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
" We already found out. We had wars about these things already. The world said never again, so why allow any form of "again"?


Im not sure what you mean here? if your talking about stuff like world war II ect. IM only advocateing that people expression an opposed opinion on the platform not becencored simply becouse it's not progressive enough, wich I am starting to see. I am not advocateing for war crimes here XD It cant "happen" again if it's just words or a cartoon. If i even catch your meaning correctly.

" I'd love to know which ideas are you worried about not having a platform that we did not already find out are bad? Why is it an issue of left/right? What specific stances are causing these platform denials you're concerned about and why you think they shouldn't? What specifically is being said that you think we still need to hear?


It's not any one opinion in particular, it's just that im noticing a increasing number f videos that are being demonetized on you tube apparently for simply disagreeing with or posing a counter argument to progressive values.  Im just concerned about the direction youtube and google as a company are taking, and im expressing that I am concerned here. I disagree with demonetizing any video that is not basically outrageously offensive to the point of being offensive for the sake of offense and nothing more. Something like that has no real value anyway. If an opinion is being expressed or if a point is being made, especialy of facts and data are involved, then it should be allowed IMO. If the idea is horrible, let people judge that for themselves, bad ideas tend to look well..BAD...when you shien a light on them.

" What if it's an issue of "ideas we have already progressed beyond no longer needing a platform because we found out already that they are harmful ideas."


who decides what we have or have not progressed past? theres no context here besides. I might disagree on Immigration, that doesnt mean tighter border control is an idea we have "progressed past" simply becouse others think we should have Open baorders...im only useing this as an example, but my point is most issues worth talking about arnt black and white, but we cant HAVE conversations about them if people are denied a platform because there opinion isent populer or offends and or triggers other people. Again just an example.

[iconname]For example, the idea we still want to progress beyond, that a type of people are less deserving of equal and fair treatment. Do you want to let that idea reach more people and gain more traction again? Would you, the owner of a popular website platform, upon discovery that your platform is being used to spread that harmful idea, want to allow that idea to continue catching again due to your inaction? Is being passive being moral and ethical? That's the difficult choice that website has the right to make.[/iconname]

we cant argue morality and ethics here, there are some issues that are inherently immoral or unethical but that stuff is usually common sence. Alot of OTHER issues are just considered immoral or unethical from a serten point of veiw again not so black and white. Abortion, for example, is considered, depending on your stance, Immoral as all hell, or perfectly fine.

some people believe there is this endless, righteous march into a progressive, Utopian future and thats just not true, it's only progressive to there thought group, some other people might find there ideas repugnant, for example, the forced redistribution distribution of wealth AKA, stealing.

 All i want is to allow the free exchange of ideas. good and bad.
DarkMacroMaster
6 years, 7 months ago
As someone that is primarily leaning toward the right. I have noticed this happening. That said, I have heard a lot of people on the left saying it happened to them too. As I don't follow a lot of speakers on the left, I can't deny or verify this, but I won't rule out that it could be the case as well.

I do tend to side with the left on many sexual topics, however.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
I hope this is true as it means YT is just being dumb and not pushing an agenda =p
DarkMacroMaster
6 years, 7 months ago
I hope so too. It would actually make me feel better, as sad as that is.

The thing that makes me anti-left is that I've come to realize that, anytime I find myself siding with the left, it is for selfish reasons. A lot of leftists tend to want certain "freedoms" that would actually hurt others.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
im actualy pro liberal on well a lot of topics! on really only hard conservative on fiscal issues and identity politics honestly im getting sick of people assumeing im some kinda of bigoted jerk just becouse I might slightly disagree on some things... all this identity polatics are decisive and pointless. they get in the way of everything.
cthrowaway1
6 years, 7 months ago
Hi! To be perfectly up front, I'm posting this from a throwaway to protect my identity. It will become perfectly clear why as this comment continues.

I want to start this post by identifying myself politically. I am as far left as one can go without falling off the spectrum. In terms of political labeling, I would probably fall under one of the schools of communism. With that being made 100% clear, I want to say that I agree with your (and the video's) concerns. Youtube, government, etc., have no business censoring any ideas or communication, even if it offends the "special snowflakes." Doing so is just wrong. The freedom to speech is far more important than one individual's "right" to not be offended. Indeed, good radical new ideas, (like the idea that slaves should be free in the 1800s, or that homosexuality should be legalized) always offend someone.

The one thing I do want to take issue with, however, is the fact that people are referring to these practices as "leftist." As a lefty myself, I can say that censorship is not an inherently left idea. Indeed, the idea of "left vs right" is misleading in this debate, since left vs right is about economics.

Indeed, the political spectrum is actually a grid, and as such has two axes. The left to right axis is the economic axis, and deals only with who owns resources within a society. This is not what's being discussed here. The top to bottom axis deals with authoritarianism vs individual liberty. This is the axis that we are concerned with right now.

An example of the political grid can be seen here:
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/3...

So, indeed, the people you are worried about here are not "far left," but indeed authoritarian. I am as far left as you can get on that spectrum, but do not believe in censorship at all (which would make me libertarian left on this spectrum).

You may ask "why is this distinction important?" Well, it's actually about maximum impact of your post (or the original video). If you say that censorship is a leftist idea, anyone who identifies as left may not be able to see past the fact that they feel targeted. Therefore, potential allies in this struggle are turned into enemies. If you want to have the maximum effect with your post, or to call this to many people's attention, being inclusive is most useful.

Just my contribution to the discussion. :)
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
Hey I want to take a moment to personaly thank you for responding to my post. people like you are the ones I really want to talk to here.


NOTHING was ever accomplished inside an echo chamber.


that being said I am also sorry, sorry you feel like you have to hide your identity to express an opinion.



THIS is what im fighting AGAINST

You should not feel like you need to fear for your physical or social well being from your own peer group, or any other peer group but especialy not your own. I sence that your masking yourself to protect you true identity from backlash. I could be wrong and I apologize if that assumption is incorrect.

Let me toss you a bone here.. there is a lot of horse shit going on with cencership and stuff on the FAR END of the left spectrum so alot of people are tagging it as a "left" thing.


Honestly it really isent, it's more of a "progressive left" thing. Even then not ALL progressive's think the same way.

I can tell pretty fast if you come in swining your arms  like a wind mill with a torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other while screeching like you just sat on a pin your probobly an idiot.


Theres nothing wrong with being on the left, or on the right I myself lean left or right depending on the issue, it's not as simple as team A or Team B so again thank you for replying.

and you might have a good point there, theres definatly a strong push for athoritarianism and right now it has...cooped the left side of the political spectrum to get it's job done. I grew up considering myself rather left honestly, so i get it, untill VERY recently i thought of myself as a classical liberal. Freedom of speech and expression, everybody should be equal ect.

Im not upset becouse youtube is growing super left or super right or super progressive im UPSET becouse they SEEM to be makeing shit political and im so tired of it =p


you make a valid point about inclusiveness.


i'll go ahead and try to make an adendom to the post above  I only ment to say that it's a problem primarly on the left side of the spectrum at the moment. But again...it's not as simple as team A and team B i understand that.

cthrowaway1
6 years, 7 months ago
Thanks for your response! I appreciate your kindness, and I'm very sorry about your "friend" being a dick to you for no reason. As for hiding my identity, well, I'm kind of used to it. As a communist I can say I'm pretty universally hated for no reason, especially by people who don't actually understand the real tenants of communism and think that I just want to throw people in gulags and commit terrible human rights violations for personal power. ^^;

Also, it's not a problem on the left side of the spectrum at the moment, it's a problem with the tech industry at the moment. The tech industry just has left people. They're still a small (if not vocal) minority of the left.


KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
yeah.. I dont have a god damn idea what the hell happened up there....I know he drinks a lot so im hopeing he wakes up in a few hours and apologies or is at least willing to talk im really kinda hurt.


that aside. I understand your concern.


I'll be frank I dont like or agree with communism. I have actual reasons for being opposed to the system, not just "reds=bad"

my reasons are similure to why i dont belive in concepts like anarcho-capitalism ect...and we dont have to get into all that mess here.


that being said you have EVERY god damned right to EXPRESS your veiwpoints, even more so if it's done in a clear, inteligent and peaceful way.


I dont like socialism either, but we employ some socialist programes here in the USA and they "more or less" work =p compromise is sometimes possible.

reguardless of our differance in political veiws and prefered systems of economics and government...THIS right here, whats happening right now is importent. It's cival discorse, it's talking....

my problem with groups like ANTIFA is not the hammer and sickle, it's the real literal hammers they are swinging around...just giveing an extream example here.


We can agree on paper at the very least that communism has no evil INTENT though great evil has been done in it's name, the same can be said for a great meny other things as well.


again I cant thank you enough for  setting so grand an example of how these kind of things should be talked about. You have every right to your opinion, and While you dont have a "right" to my respect, you sertenly earn it when your conduct yourself like a cival human being ;3
Delquea
6 years, 7 months ago
I always try to explain to people the concept of communism but I'm ignored all the time cos "communism is evil" so I know how you feel XD (PS I aint a communist but I do lean to the left)
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
shut it you filthy commie! =p seriously,theres potental here for a rather interesting dicussion on the topic perhaps in the future.. I cant stumache any more politics at the moment XD
Delquea
6 years, 7 months ago
Personally I'd be MORE than happy to discus politics, but discussing politics in the US is pretty much comparable to a playground standoff involving little children who insult each other in a competition of "Who can make the most creative insult" which is a series of baby terms and compounds LOL (IE its a waste of time since its extremely rare to encounter level headed people who have enough common sense to agree to disagree but still more than willing to hear an opposing argument)
CoconutJoe
6 years, 7 months ago
To be completely honest I was kind of being dismissive of this at first; because it feels like once a month YouTube finds a new and inventive way to take a crap on they're content creators,only to immediately retract it when they realize they don't know how to maintain their own website. Now I am genuinely concerned, major YouTuber " black pigeon" just up and died overnight. I subscribe to him but I didn't particularly like him a whole lot, he is a bit too conservative for my taste, I have the sneaking suspicion that he might actually be a CIA time travel project who was plucked straight out of the Reagan Era and ask to voice his opinions on current events. Nonetheless he offers up an interesting perspective that I often would have never thought of. He has a sizable amount to subscribers I don't remember the exact amount but he hadwell over 50,000. And combined he has over a million views. But yeah last time I checked he's been straight up axed. I'm not sure I agree with mr. Computing, what I personally believe will happen is that other sites like Dailymotion and Vimeo are going to capitalize on this retardation and I would say within the next decade or so if things continue the way they do YouTube will become the next Myspace. Thatt is a bit of a stretch but they can't keep doing this forever, eventually you will be met with an overwhelming push back when you push the wrong people.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
This is exactly what im talking about. Youtube can do as it pleases with its service but action like this has me worried is moveing in a direction i really dont like as a long time youtube user
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ThaPig
6 years, 7 months ago
As primates, humans have a mob mentality and from time to time they need to gang up and hunt the "bad monkey" out of the tribe. Usually, the bad monkey is not bad at all, it just looks or sounds different, but the hardwired instinct is to attack the "outsider".

In Roman times it was the "Christian"

In Christian times it was the "witch"

In the Cold War times it was the "communist spy" if you lived in a capitalist country or the "capitalist spy" if you lived in a communist country.

In all those times most of the people accused and persecuted were just someone minding his own business who had the misfortune of looking or sounding different.

Today we are again in times of paranoia and mass hysteria. Fingers are pointed all over and people are marked as "racists" and "fascists" over a comment or opinions. Is a new witch hunt.

As in all the previous occasions, there are those who profit in inciting the populace to participate in the hunt. The media exploits the phenomenon and amplifies it, creating a snowball effect. The more people hear about evil forces lurking around the corner the more they suspect their neighbor. Now you have to be careful before opening your mouth because one little misinterpreted word can turn you into the next target.

Eventually there one of two things will happen: Either the fad would go away when the masses find a new shit to obsess over... or the accumulated tension would reach a level where it explodes into a nasty event that will shock society at all levels. If the second thing happens a great amount of chaos will be released for a short time. Then things would go back to normal, but not the same as before.

Because things always go back to normal, we are the ones who some times get screwed up in the process.
Stratus
6 years, 7 months ago
Yes this time though its right wing AND centralist getting targeted. I genuinely believe this is the first witch hunt where the minority is the hunters, and when people finally realize that it will get better.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
i get the strong feeling if the silent majority would wake up and say "hey advertisers... this shit is stupid" it would change everything allmost over night.
ThaPig
6 years, 7 months ago
Unfortunately, people in general have been conditioned to believe whatever crap they see on Tv for too many generations.
ThaPig
6 years, 7 months ago
The there is no real target, the target is the strawman as always.
Keeran
6 years, 7 months ago
Despite the whole automation issue,  At the end of the day,  you have to realize that YouTube is a platform. If it has a bias, they are well within their right to refuse to host or pay for someone's content, no matter how outlandish they are. I mean, You shouldn't expect a liberal person  to not be banned from the "disdain From Plebs" Facebook page. Hell, Colin Kaepernick's decision to not salute the flag for the National Anthem hurt his chances for other teams to draft him. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences/negative reactions from the private sector. It just means that the Gov't can't  interfere unless it's not directly protected.

But all in all, the keyword is: "Free market". When you have a free market,  nobody cares about how you feel, or whether your voice is being heard or not. All they care about is how much money are you going to pay them, and they'll only care if you're pulling your large sums of money away from them. Even if you as an individual won't support them, you're essentially supporting them indirectly through the free market every time you buy a product made by some company that invests into YouTube. I mean, the only thing you could do is isolate yourself, create your platforms, etc. And pray the corporate giants don't devour you or give you an offer you can't refuse.

I mean,  if you're one that supports the free market, you have to understand, the more you limit the Federal Gov't, companies that secure a monopoly will become the government, a privatized government, but  one nonetheless.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
you mgiht missunderstand my intent. im not saying oh it's BAD that youtube is cencoreing people with right leening veiw points ect.

I DO think it's bad but there entirely in there right to do so im just stateing that the tend that im seeing start to form BOTHERS ME and im looking to see if other people have had a similure experiance or are hereing the same thing.

if so will all move to another site =p

i love youtube im only critical becouse i care about the platform. ^^

as for Colin Kaepernick, he's.... I have strong opinions about him and why he pulled that little stunt, and while i find it extreamly disrespectful he still has every right to do it.
Keeran
6 years, 7 months ago
i mean, yeah, he had every right to do it, but it didn't come without consequence.

And yeah, on the contrary,  I do see where you are coming from. Despite the bot thing,  the issue really does lie on how creating a free market makes large monarchies/oligarchies  become government systems themselves. They create platforms that you can't socially or financially "function" without and then threaten you with the refusal to operate on said platforms should you not comply to their rules.

The worst thing about it is that a lot of what they're doing isn't out of their devout moral code. It's money. Companies addressed they'd pull their ads out (because they didn't want to lose money by being labeled as associating with terrorists) becasue of those controversies, and thus, YouTube took extreme measures just so they can keep earning money. While they are well within their right to do so,  greed contributes to the dissension and this could end up far worse than it already is.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 7 months ago
a lot of truth to this sadly
Sangie
6 years, 4 months ago
Wrong.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 4 months ago
great job replying to a journal thats over two months old and contributing absolutely nothing. This was an Opinion I was expressing here, because I continue to see more and more censorship on YouTube as a platform disproportionately in one direction more then another.

replying with "Wrong" contributes nothing to the conversation, it nither refutes my opinion or supports it.

youtube is my favorite media platform, I dont see why i should deal with your toxic ass just because I'm expressing a concern about the direction it's headed, for all users, not just the ones that agree with my own politics.
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