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KevinSnowpaw

Hey Guys look at this the BS Attempt to rape you, it never stops

Im not one to go on crusades or the like but you mess with me Liberty my Internet or my Privacy and you get my attention.

You thought SOPA and PIPA were evil this is simply sick.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0&feature...
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Added: 6 years, 11 months ago
 
KeeperSeen
6 years, 11 months ago
WOW this is just fucking BULLSHIT
soggymaster
6 years, 11 months ago
Those sly bastards are going to try and ram crap like that through the EU simply because few of those who rule it are accountable to the people they govern... as such the kind of outrage SOPA/PIPA generated will likely have little to no effect.
Nir
Nir
6 years, 11 months ago
Yeah, the ATCA has been around for years, just never has been passed. It's just as bad as the SOPA and the PIPA, except this law is being passed in Europe, over the states. Still, long story short, this would effect us too, if it is passed.
IGAKattack
6 years, 11 months ago
Hmm... why am I suddenly reminded of what happened between the Trade Federation and the planet Naboo...? Jamming our communications can only mean one thing...
NonnyFox
6 years, 11 months ago
Here's a petition against ACTA that you can sign, I've already signed it and posted the email I got from them in my profile journal: https://www.accessnow.org/page/s/just-say-no-to-acta
ScottyKat
6 years, 11 months ago
oh god fucking dammit. They never quit
Jett
6 years, 11 months ago
Wooooow, can't believe that the highest power people are so corrupt as to create piracy software and then try to destroy the internet and gain -millions- of lawsuits. And why the hell spread it to Europe when it's none of our business... oh wait, power! Of course! Everything is about fucking the general public over and over for these guys...
tarotwolf
6 years, 11 months ago
*dons a pair of horns and turns red* Just to be devil's advocate... First, the fried chicken recipe analogy is bogus. You pay money for technique and experience with the chef; there's no way to stop a recipe from being shared, as it quite literally cannot be copyrights. (KFC can patent their "blend of spices," maybe, but if the info leaks, they can't do anything about it -- it's too nebulous.)

Let's pick a different real-world example. And again, I'm not trying to flame, but to offer only one microscopic part of this whole thing. I've published several books; got a furry book coming out in April. Let's say that I create a PDF/eBook version. One person buys it; I get the royalty from one sale. That person gives a copy to every fur he know. I get bupkis, lose everything I own, wander the street homeless, drink Drano and get hit by a bus, and no one ever gets to read the sequel that I'm writing.

I don't support ACTA, but neither can I support selling one copy of my book for 500 people to read. I ask you this: Can any file-sharing community (yes, this means ALL of us, me included) be responsible enough to police itself? For instance, for every song that you get for free, would you purchase another song (same group) from iTunes or whoever? I was sent a song by Deadmau5; I went out and bought a Deadmau5 CD. Someone sends you a PDF of my book; go buy another of my books, or get a dead-tree edition, or buy the eBook... something to help keep the artist alive.

Is this too much to ask? Artwork IS work; no artist does what he does just for the fun of it. I've heard some idiot say that furry artists only exist to give us free porn. Surely this isn't a common sentiment? (Whether or not your name is Shirley...)

How about it? Is there a solution that actually makes everyone happy?
bahamutdragons
6 years, 10 months ago
I've got a book in the works myself, but I can't say I've been privy to making money from being an artist yet.  I just have an office job by day and by night, I make games which I distribute for free on the Internet.  Eventually I'd like to monetize those as well, but at the same time, I've been thinking about how to do so.

The Internet has made copyright regulations a huge problem, there's no denying that.  At the same time though, I feel like we're lost in a financial model which could and possibly should evolve.  I put down money to appear in a comic that a furry is making, and invested in freddiew's movie in exchange for my name appearing in the credits.  I think all of that is really interesting but in general, it's not the norm.

I don't know to what extent this regulation would go, but I bet rule 34 is included in that.  There's a very harsh stand from old companies to control their brands, whereas if they stopped fighting everyone about it, they would probably profit from propagation.

As for stealing, yeah, it's definitely an issue.  But then, and this is not an argument I realise, but money is stolen and lost everywhere.  Companies fight each other and millions are spent in lawsuits, burocracy, politics.  The government system.  Plenty of incompetent people, plenty of useless people.  Companies complain about the money lost on stolen goods, but there's a hefty sum wasted everywhere else as well.

But again, no help to you personally.

Ever tried to make a point and felt you've said nothing at all?
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
it's not about the theift or the money or even about protecting IP rights, thats honestly pretty black and white but the issue is the rest of it, the gross servalence the violation of Libirty and the danger such a treaty could pose to the very way the internet works. part of this is due to poor definition of exactly WHAT the treaty would cover, it just says Intellectual property. On the net thats literally almost everything. ^^ It sounds to me like your doing a good job of trying to see the whole issue though. I commend that.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
Well the chicken thing was a gross simplafication im sure. It's not my vid I diddent pic the dialong. Im posting this here to help spread the world about this, beocuse it's out right evil. Theres allot of good points on all sides about the whole copyright IP rights debate so im not going to go into any of that here but the video games a point. If the internet hurts your business, you might be using an obsolete business model. Adapt and change, besides the facts remain that very little actual money is lost to online priacy only "potential profits" that mega corps in there greed have allready patted themselves on the back for. MOST of the time when sombody Pirates something, it something they were only curious about but likely wouldent have bought anyway.

Lets take a look at a tv show lets say your hard core GAY for Thundercats. THe new one. Theres no box set fo that yet so you torrent the episodes as they air. Are you Stealing? Some wuld say yes but is it any different then reccording it on a DVR? No. In fact there the same shitty low quality Episodes aired on TV, with there origenal cartoon network Watermark and everything. If you love the cartoon enough to really care about owning it, your very likely to cough off the cash to buy the boxed set when it comes out, SO you can watch it in 1080P with no stupid watermark or anything cut out.

Same example for your book, I buy your book and let my friend barrow and read it. You make a buck he can easaly Deside to never buy your book or maybe he will. Same games for the e-book, I buy it, i send him the file, he likes it, hes got insentive to buy something else. In the short turm this might be a destructive bussness model to a small bussness like a privite auther or indee game designer whos still trying to get off the ground, but allot of that stuff DOESENT get pirated.

SO unless your justin Beiberm Or Microsoft, you dont really need to worry about it in fact the only people who really get protected by extream copyright protection are the mega corps and conglomerates. Who make buckets full of cash hand over fist if you download and episode of gumball or not. Does the creater of gumball lose money? No, hes allready paid for his work the d-bags who own his ass lose Perspective profits from what they veiw as a potential sale, operateing off the assumption that indavidual would have paid for the episode otherwise.

I realize it's a very weird way of looking at thing, you wouldent steal a candy bar and eat it on the excuse that you diddent really want it otherwise, but the fact is Psyical property and Intellectual property have to be treated differently if the internet is to servive.
Spex
6 years, 10 months ago
Oohohoho...gonna have to visit some of my European furry friends and help them hold up the huge ass protest sign this will make. These big wigs really don't give up at all.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
InannaWDraco
6 years, 10 months ago
Damn...
Sakkano
6 years, 10 months ago
I'm going to be a voice or reason here.

1.) Old legislation that's not a US Bill. It's not a US law. It's an international proposal to create an independent body to police intellectual property. And as such, has NO grounds in US law unless ratified by the US government. However, the US is a signatory to this proposal, but so is Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, the Republic of (South) Korea, Singapore, and Switzerland. But come on, this body would exist outside the UN, and I highly doubt that any US government body would allow for it's application within it's borders. I don't know about the other signatories though.

FOR GODSAKES New Zealand and Switzerland are signatories? Two of the most DEMOCRATIC and PEACEFUL nations on this planet?

2.) ASK! Sometimes people share things that weren't meant to be shared. Maybe if people asked this wouldn;t be a problem. And in the improbable future in which such a body does come to exist, asking for permission and getting it gives you a pass; nothing to worry about.

3.) This is a distraction. The proposal was started in 2008. That's 4 years old. The longer a proposal languishes, the less likely it is to actually go anywhere. The only reason anyone would bring this up is to draw attention away from more important matters. It's hard to be angry about two things at the same time.

4.) We have courts, which have the duty to interpret law. This video takes a very LIBERAL (and not the political liberal) view of the proposal to scare you shitless. Do you believe that a court would interpret such a law and apply it as such? A court that would also include peers?

Honestly, tampons and fried chicken? Do you not see how silly the video is in it's presentation? Getting facts not fed to you by Anonymous, point to how the video is but a collection of spin. People should really stop jumping at shadows. Worry about that when it's proposed by your federal government. Until then, it's just talk. Like atheism, peanut butter, and bananas.

The ironic thing is that I often have to hear furries bitch about how their art is being stolen and passed off as someone else's work.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
No shadow jumping here, the best defense is simply "hey look at this, maybe you care about it. This isent about drama, Or even opinions, This Jurnal is not an open forum for debate, I am meerly spreading awareness of a potential problem. Regarding legislation I, personally, feel should not exist.  The aggressive "this is stupid" attitude is not wanted. Im sorry but if you dont agree you could say so in a less hostile way and thats all i have to say about it.
Sakkano
6 years, 10 months ago
Pardon me if that is how it sounded. But when I see spin of that caliber being passed off as fact, I tend to like to point it out. It was not my intent to sound aggressive, my intent was to provoke critical thinking on the matter.
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
honestly whats got me worked up isenht to much all this intellectual property crap it's the fact that they actualy think it's some how Ok to even Sugest monitering everything we do online, like privacy rights dont apply then have the audacity to claim IP is the same as actual, psyical objects. Dubble standard.
Shokuji
6 years, 10 months ago
Yeah, I made a journal about this too, glad to see more people spreading it around. =3 [hugs]
KevinSnowpaw
6 years, 10 months ago
more from me in the near future Im not stopping
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