https://unicornbooty.com/anti-fascist-furries/ Can't say I'm surprised I guess. Fandom has plenty of other nutty people. Reading through that article was kinda shocking. Blatant lies across the whole thing coupled with a double dose of "us vs them" mentality. Obviously not a very popular article but there are several others of a very similar vein all up in arms about "alt-right" furs.
It just baffles me that people can be this detached from reality. And that's not to say I have all the answers. I don't. But I like to think that I have a fairly decent understanding of the society we live in. They would have you believing hate mobs patrol the streets looking for minorities to harass or worse. Really I see just the opposite. Those claiming to fight hate are now the perpetrators of it. Violence following the election results. (This is not to say all are like this but far too many condone it) Chicago - David Wilcox, dragged from his car and beaten for voting for trump Maryland - 15 yr old, assaulted by high school students protesting trump And I'm sure you've heard about the mentally handicapped young man abducted and tortured And that's just a few
Meanwhile you Google for articles about violence against Hillary supporters and you see articles about people lying about hate crimes.
Scary thing for me is there was a point in my life I actually started to believe some of the crazy "oppression of minorities/women in the US" a few years back. A friend showed me the facts over time and helped me come to my own opinion on it without relying blindly on media. Not to say I relied on his opinions either. We disagree on some political issues. But I kinda shudder to think how far down the rabbit hole I might have gone if I had followed the trend.
What are your thoughts? I don't care if you're polar opposite on this. Go ahead and post. I'll still hear ya out.
I get wanting to distance yourself from the extremes of all of this but... this sounds an awful lot like you're a-okay with Fascism and you don't think there are actually problems minorities and women face in the US every day (I can certainly tell you it is true as a gay black male, myself), especially with what's goin' on concernin' the current administration.
I get wanting to distance yourself from the extremes of all of this but... this sounds an awful lot
Well firstly I do not think women face any significant issues in the US. That is to say both women and men have issues that need addressing but gender equality is pretty much achieved. The modern movements paint the scene as though women were a disadvantaged class in America.
Speaking of disadvantaged, we come upon the topic of minorities in American and if there is a crisis with discrimination. I personally feel the issue is nolonger that of discrimination but of a growing divide of wealth and poverty. Some minorities are more represented in the poverty lines while some are not. And people of all races occupy all levels of income within our society.
But down to the meat and potatoes of the issue. Fascism. I have no problems with speaking out against a political or ideological (or any other) stance you disagree with. That is not what I took issue with. The issue is people are crusading their beliefs against imagined enemies and anyone who disagrees gets branded an infidel(or alt-right in this case). They advocate censorship, social outcasting, and even violence against the people who they label their enemies.
I feel that you are entitled to your opinions and have a right to speak them(you're not entitled to an audience though, that is the choice of the individual). And they do not.
I made a few comments on the page all of which were deleted. I was ready for that and had copies. I'll post them here in the comments of my journal. It'll better explain where I'm coming from. My issue was almost entirely with the portrayal of Furry Raiders. If you want any source info just ask.
Oh and this doesn't mean I think there is no racists or sexists. Just that they're some of the smallest minority opinions in the US.
Well firstly I do not think women face any significant issues in the US. That is to say both women a
The growing divide of wealth and poverty is heavily steeped in racism and discrimination. That is not to say that men and women of minority groups CANNOT succeed and become wealthy and all that good stuff just that it is extraordinarily difficult. Hell it's difficult to get by and live comfortably on one's regular wages as it is, now.
I do think I see what you are gettin' at here. A lot of people seem to fear the notion that if they disagree with someone on "the left" they'll be instantly branded "alt-right" or a neo-Nazi or what have you. From what I've looked at and seen a lot of these people say, even the Furry Raiders who very clearly get their imagery and ideals from somewhere, is highly discriminatory. Racist, sexist, bigoted, you name it. Just being gay does not excuse havin' really shitty and bigoted views just like bein' any particular race does, hell just look at Ben Carson. He's black but he does NOT fight for the black community but for him and his wealth and others like him.
People are free to believe and feel whatever they want but shouldn't be surprised when they are met with intense backlash if they're gonna be offensive and discriminatory. That whole alt-right/Neo-Nazi thing is a chosen ideology. I believe thinking that racial and gender discrimination is some sort of itty bitty minority and is basically barely even a thing is an incredibly dangerous point of view. All that does is make an effort to turn heads and attention away from the injustices that do happen...very much like the people I STILL hear every week talkin' about how racism is not a thing anymore, etc. A LOT of people are racist and sexist. A LOT of people aren't. Unfortunately there are a whole lot of people in influential positions that are racist and sexist as well and likely got there using that. It's more subtle than tellin' women to get back in the kitchen or yellin' racial slurs at people in the streets and it really does happen every day.
I think those alt-right types need to be careful and keep that nonsense they tend to talk to themselves. I know a lot of people don't agree with any sort of violence against "just words" or anything like that and, for the most part, I agree as well. Some people do need a good smack or a boot to the rump sometimes, though, this is true. It is still possible to be civilized, inclusive, accepting, and mature and not just let any old nonsense fly because someone decided to start droppin' bigoted views in public. I don't believe that leads to a world where everyone who disagrees is gonna be assaulted or slapped with a heavy title like Nazi. I think it'll help lead to a world where I'm not bitin' my tongue in public because some dude is sayin' REALLY racist things about the Mexicans in the store, or the black kids relaxing in the corner, or the Asian girl having a snack. Where I'm not havin' random white people who think everything is okay now so they can say "nigger/nigga" to me and get away with it.
The growing divide of wealth and poverty is heavily steeped in racism and discrimination. That is no
Just keep in mind I've been bursting at the seams with this stuff. What is written below may seem a little harsh at times but things don't always come out well when you bottle things up.
Wanted to explain where I'm coming from. This has been something bothering me for a while now. This ideological clash. And the pressure of having to keep a lid on it is getting to me. I'm kinda a grumpy person to start with. But having to constantly watch what I say with how easy it is to offend people (not just the far left but the hard anti-feminists like some MGTOW and such) is starting to get to be too much for me to handle. I needed somewhere to vent that had more consequence than a YouTube comment section. This is not much but it's a start.
I'm not saying that there aren't people out there with racial prejudices and stereotypes. But the number of people who have the more severe opinions of minorities are dwindling. They aren't organized and plotting. Well ok maybe they're plotting but those are the crazies who live in the middle of nowhere "cuz the guvernmint is spyin on 'em". 1920's KKK numbered at 5 million. Today they number 5000 according to CSHE at California State University or 3000 according to the Southern Poverty Law Center(a group known for over-inflating information). And they're a shadow of their former self. Don't quote me on this but I've heard 95% of all hate crimes are committed by "Lone Wolves" or people not affiliated with any violent hate groups. Not saying the KKK is just a pride group now or that some of their members don't pose serious risk but clearly we are moving into a better age with groups like this shrinking. Now I understand that you feel racial discrimination is still a prevailing factor in the quality of life for minorities. I don't get many opportunities to hear someone explain the causes and effects within the realm of calm discussion and would be glad to hear your evidence for the matter. If there is a real case for an issue then by all means I'd gladly speak up for it. This goes for any of the topics we discuss.
As for feminism I see it picking at every detail of life they dislike and blaming it on men. "Our shampoo is more expensive!" No, that's what happens when you buy salon quality stuff. Nothing is stopping them from buying cheaper stuff. "Men sit with their legs too far open" and women take up more seats with their bags. But no. It is now illegal for a men to sit with his knees apart in NY now. "Women make less money on average!" They get paid the same amount for the same work. What they are complaining about is the result of personal choices. Hours worked. Not asking for a raise. Quitting work for family. Etc. "Men discriminate against my body type" no, Its called having preferences. People don't dare tell a gay man that he is wrong for what he's attracted to but God forbid a straight guy likes skinny women. "Women in video games are treated like objects" yeah and so is everything else in video games, including the men. Because its not real. We already had this fight with the conservatives and violence in video games. No correlation between games and violence/sexism. It just goes on and on. There is a bit of this on the racial side of things as well but at least they focus more on important issues like decreasing deaths and increasing the quality of living. Even if I personally feel they go about it wrong.
But where this all started was fascism. in principle, an authoritarian right-wing system intolerant of different opinions. A term coined to simplify the prior definition. What is see is an authoritarian left claiming that any who disagree with them are of the complete wrong opinion and belong to a political ideology that they also deem intolerable. Nobody is willing to listen to the opposition or look at the facts. They rely on confirmation bias to reaffirm their beliefs. They are almost entirely backed by the media so any voice that is big enough to make a difference is villianized.
Just keep in mind I've been bursting at the seams with this stuff. What is written below may seem a
Edit: I made comments on a number of other articles. Not anything critical of them. They were typical Buzzfeed style entertainment pieces and I just made general commentary on them. Mentioning how I thought some were interesting. All deleted by staff. This is exactly the ridiculous censorship I'm talking about. They've now dubbed me a enemy and refuse me any voice. Which is fine. They're only sinking their own website. Some of their articles are actually interesting. But if I can't make even a passing comment on it then I dont care to use the site.
Comment 1 What a ridiculous fear-mongering editorial. There may be a small group of people in the fandom that sympathize with Nazi ideals but they are not any more prevalent in the fandom then out on the street. They are not some organized group of conspirators plotting to ruin your next con.
As for Furry Raiders; they are Furry FANS. They attend cons, not ruin them. In fact the 2016 con (the one the supposedly targeted by FR) had 57 more people in attendance than the last. Some of them are even gay (And I'm talking FR's lead staff). And most importantly they are not a politically aligned group. They all hold varied political opinions but their goal is to not villianize everyone who holds different opinion.
As for why the rooms were blocked, the hotel later had to correct itself. FR had booked the rooms in advance for some of their members and they had some cancellations. FR released some rooms that would be empty as the people they were reserved for couldn't make it. The hotel initially villianized the group and encouraged people to harass them to release rooms. Exactly what the group is trying to push back on.
They are not alt-right, alt-furry, or even neo-Nazi. You are just a dishonest writer painting them in a bad light.
I encourage anyone reading this to actually research the group. So far I've done a bit of looking and none of what this writer has said is represented with honesty or ethical integrity. And I will continue to look into FR and these claims of neo-Nazi subculture in the fandom.
Comment 2 (Quote from article) "they are working to drive the alt-fur menace from their community." I mean, seriously. This is a political ideology driven mad crusade. Reminds me of a quote:
"One of our most important tasks will be to save future generations from a similar political fate and to maintain for ever watchful in them a knowledge of the menace of the alt-right." -Adolf Hitler Only difference is he said "Jewry" and not "alt-right". He wanted to wipe a class of citizens from existence and he started by segregating them from the culture.
To be clear, I'm not defending people who agree with Nazi ideals. Not that I would condone your social outcasting of them. The issue is that you and the extreme left have shown no hesitation on dubbing everyone who disagrees with you as alt-right. And then you have the gal to say "this is our community! Let's drive the alt-right out!" when you do not own the community. But you assume that everything on this green earth was placed there for you and those who agree with you. You are the chosen receivers of all this world's bounty and no-one else. Fact is, you didnt make this community. It is not intrinsically entwined in any political ideology. You do not have any right or claim to lord over it.
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