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Kazekai

Yes, I'm a bitch. :l

And still mildly frustrated, but most of it is because:

*There are people that get 20+ comments on their art in a day while I might get 4 in a month even though I try really fucking hard to promote the shit out of it to get some recognition

*People in IRC tend to ignore me by highlighting someone else when I'm trying to talk, as if I didn't say anything, and it pisses me off

* People in IRC don't seem to care much about the blog posts I make but if someone like Tweaker makes a blog post, people are all over that shit, and I have yet to discern if it's genuine interest or ass-kissing, and nobody even clicked the picture I linked last night, I had to put it up here just so people would notice it

*3/4s of my watchers don't seem too interested in anything I post.

And yeah, I really do think it's because I don't kiss ass, I know someone who is all about kissing ass, he's a professional ass-kisser and gets all kinds of attention from it (I've actually grown to not like them for several reasons, this being one of them) but I like to think I have more dignity than that. Can't an artist be appreciated without sucking everyone's e-dick?

And it apparently isn't how well I draw, because there are people that draw shitty MS Paint fanart or can't even draw at all and upload commisions they got that have more watchers than me, I think I deserve recognition if people like that are getting it. I'm not trying to be hateful but that's how I feel about it, considering how I busted my ass for half my life just to learn how to draw decent anatomy. I'd like some payoff.

And moreover, I'd like for people in IRC to stop talking like I don't fucking exist. Really, why the fuck do people do that?

It's probably because I can't talk about politics or any of that boring shit. I don't think anyone wants to hold a conversation with me because I'm not worldly and don't care to be. (You'd think in a furry channel linked to a fucking gaming site, people would be content to talk about video games. >_>) Nobody wants to fucking talk about ANYTHING I do and I can't talk about anything anyone else does and they probably just ignore me and pretend I don't exist because of that.

And would it kill people to read my blog posts? Thanks to the people that do but EVERYWHERE I post them, they get ignored. It's starting to get depressing. I have tried channels, forums, and here, they literally get no attention. -_-
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Added: 6 years, 9 months ago
 
Tweaker
6 years, 9 months ago
It takes a good amount of time to get noticed on websites like these. It took me two years to get even the relatively small following I have now on these sites, and even then it's not that much. The more you post and the more places you post it, the better chance there is of people being interested in what you draw. The content you draw also factors into this, so if people don't care about what you draw and you don't care to change it, don't be surprised if people don't magically get interested.

That's basically the way the cookie crumbles, though. If you're not willing to put in the time, don't, but being upset isn't really going to solve anything.
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
Are you trying to tell me I don't put in the time? Because I do, and I have for years, and I have changed my art style, and this is the same shit I was told earlier, and I think the bottom line is that if you don't draw fanart or porn nobody gives a crap about you. :l
Tweaker
6 years, 9 months ago
I didn't say anything about you not putting in time in regards to your actual work. I basically just said you can't force people to be interested in what you draw or reply to everything you post. A lot of people on these websites tend to be silent lurkers so the silence isn't terribly surprising.

And while I don't think what you say is completely true in regards to fanart, the familiarity element is bound to attract more people who otherwise wouldn't have any direct way of finding your work. Making your submissions accessible is a good way of having people look at them. And, well, porn is just self-explanatory. But it's not impossible to gain attention based on original characters and ideas alone; just more difficult.

Oh, and thanks for the unwatch, I guess. :\ Not sure why that was necessary.
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
About the unwatch, I did that a while ago, and it's nothing personal, it's just, there was this one submission that I guess you commissioned that freaked me out really badly, sorry.

Someone suggested I get a new dA, well, more like a couple people. >_> So I did, and I guess I can draw some fanart and post it there. It's just incredibly frustrating when I look at people who don't do either porn or fanart and have enough interested people to form a small nation and I don't know how they do it...
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
I do appreciate the reply by the way. I am insanely jealous of you, if you post a journal entry, everyone wants to look, if I post one, it either gets ignored or one person might look, TonicBH and Bobinator are probably the main two people that do pay attention. And I try to make all my posts objective and interesting...
Flygon
6 years, 9 months ago
The only real reasons I can think that I get anywhere is because I post art on both Fur Affinity and Inkbunny... which becomes difficult if you're only making cub related artwork.

The thing is though... initially, my growth was incredibly slow, but then, at some point, it began to grow exponentially whenever I posted an image, and the days thereafter. I speculate this is because people began mirroring my imagery onto Paheal and linking to my FA due to it (this is why I think artists complaining about reposts are being kind of dumb, for the record).

The problem is, of course... your art being reposted does rely on people remembering to link back to you, and you get more chances if you post fanart... it's kind of an annoying situation.

I've also noticed that you're far more likely to get reception on Fur Affinity than Inkbunny, as well. But that boils down to the active userbase.

Long story short: It does somewhat boil down to luck.
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah, I guess it does... It's just, I have been trying for like 6 years counting the time I spent on dA and some forums to do something that people find interesting and it feels like even when I'm trying my best it doesn't go anywhere, meanwhile someone that writes terrible Sonic fanfics will get a ton of recognition. -_- What a cruel world we live in.

I do actually appreciate that you comment on a lot of my art by the way. >_> At least a couple people do. Someone on MSN suggested I get a DA because they don't feel comfortable with coming here, so maybe posting in both places will do something, I dunno why I thought it'd be a good idea to post serious art on a furry porn site in the first place. :V
Flygon
6 years, 9 months ago
I know what you mean, I've done some images I think are great and... nobody looks at it. Yet some of my mediocre or just bad art gets a LOT of attention. It's bizarre.

Thanks for the compliment, but I do must thank you for making the art in the first place. Without it, I wouldn't comment!

To think... 6 years ago, I just registered on Sonic Retro, aka. SWS2B.
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
Well it's good that it is appreciated even if it isn't appreciated by a lot of people, but I badly want my art to be more appreciated by a wider span...

6 years ago I was still playing Furc and put up with a lot of terrible human beings. >_ Oh, and I couldn't draw worth shit, but tried competing with someone that didn't draw like shit but who I have probably surpassed now depending on if they still draw or not... God 6 years is a long time.
Flygon
6 years, 9 months ago
Six years ago, I was still playing Ragnarok Online... I also ended up banned from SWS2B. :p
MaDrow
6 years, 9 months ago
Ok, this sounds blunt, but honestly most of your messages / text make me feel like "urgh, tl:dr", despite I'm willing to be open and try to understand your point of views.
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
I type long posts usually, I put a lot of thought into them, I thought that was a good thing...
Flygon
6 years, 9 months ago
Humans aren't good at reading long things. It's a good idea to put the most important eyecatching information at the start, and dribble on the more important parts later on.

Yes, I'm discussing this as though it's journalism.
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
The places I got really involved with the internet were Furc and an MMO forum, we typed paragraphs at minimum for everything, so I've gotten used to it and didn't even think about the length bothering people... I thought people just skipped over me because they thought I was stupid or annoying. >_>

I dunno how to shorten posts but I can try, it might look really terrible though.
Flygon
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah, I noticed you're only used to being formal and articulated...

It's usually best to reserve it for extremely important discussions, though. And even then, always best to keep a short version up for people to read (eg. tl;dr's).
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
I can try. >_> I'm kind of surprised it was such a problem but at least I know what the problem is now.
MaDrow
6 years, 9 months ago
Of course it's good, but how larger you make your paragraphs, the more people lose the courage to read them.
Of course it differs from person to person, but I advice to you to experiment with structuring your text to more 'eatable' blocks. |=(:3
Kazekai
6 years, 9 months ago
A lot of the time, I don't tend to think about what I type, which is probably bad, but I guess the reason it ends up being so much text is that I keep thinking of things to say and go really fast, I can try slowing down I guess.
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